Breevort calls out Dan Slott.

[Darthphere]

Damn!

 

[iloveclones]

Yowch!!!

 

[gildea]

Before we all go crazy over this we should probably read mr slott's response
http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2335670&postcount=30

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Sucks for Slott, but I can't say I disagree with Brevoort's intent. Lateness is lateness, and I've really hated how lax the comic industry as a whole has become on that subject. Plus, it seems Brevoort's genuinely concerned and wants Slott to be on time, but he's just run out of ways to get him there. If nothing else, I hope the embarrassment of this really does get Slott back on track.

I wonder what he meant by "self-destructive," too.

 

[Darthphere]

Before we all go crazy over this we should probably read mr slott's response
http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2335670&postcount=30

I read it, can I go crazy now?


I agree with Corp, we were discussing this before on AIM. Just seemed pretty harsh, also considering how late Mark Millar's Ultimates and now Civil War are.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

yeah maybe tom should be yapping back about quesada on daredevil father or all those civil war delays.

 

[gildea]

I read it, can I go crazy now?


I agree with Corp, we were discussing this before on AIM. Just seemed pretty harsh, also considering how late Mark Millar's Ultimates and now Civil War are.

To be fair millar is dealing with a serious illness. The medication he's on for crohns disease pretty much knackered his immune system which put him in bed for 6 weeks when he caught a viral infection which why he hasn't been appearing at any of the conventions he was scheduled for. Its the reason ultimates is suffering delays (not sure about CW but seems a safe bet).


that aside I did think it was harsh when he was talking about his exclusive contract (that should be behind closed doors IMO) but slott in his response has definetly taken it on the chin and as he says this post by tomB is 2 months old.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Before we all go crazy over this we should probably read mr slott's response
http://forum.newsarama.com/showpost.php?p=2335670&postcount=30

Wow, that puts a whole new light on things. I still agree with Brevoort and maintain that lateness is lateness and Slott probably should've passed on a couple of things to keep himself on time, but that response puts everything into a much more sensible context.

 

[Darthphere]

It seems Slott is on track now, considering he says that Breevort comment was made months ago. I really never noticed delays with his titles but as long as I get my Slott goodness its all good.

 

[Phaedrus45]

To put it plainly, it's very unprofessional of Breevort to air his greavances against Mr. Slott in an online forum. From this can only bring resentment, and soon enough, another fine company might end up getting Slott. I don't care if Slott's books are a little late...because, they've never been so late I've cared. Not when you consider books by DC that are suppose to ship every two months can't even make it's deadline.

To put it simply, Breevort is an ass.

 

[Darthphere]

To be fair millar is dealing with a serious illness. The medication he's on for crohns disease pretty much knackered his immune system which put him in bed for 6 weeks when he caught a viral infection which why he hasn't been appearing at any of the conventions he was scheduled for. Its the reason ultimates is suffering delays (not sure about CW but seems a safe bet).


that aside I did think it was harsh when he was talking about his exclusive contract (that should be behind closed doors IMO) but slott in his response has definetly taken it on the chin and as he says this post by tomB is 2 months old.

Thats all fine and all, but not to sound like a diuche, if he wasnt healthy, he shouldnt have taken on the project. I can excuse him for being sick, but once it becomes a recurring excuse it gets to the point where maybe you should take a vacation.

 

[gildea]

Thats all fine and all, but not to sound like a diuche, if he wasnt healthy, he shouldnt have taken on the project. I can excuse him for being sick, but once it becomes a recurring excuse it gets to the point where maybe you should take a vacation.

It's beyond a vacation (though he has taken one) it's an incurable disease, he was healthy when the project was undertaken but with a very weak immune system which basically won't go away and does leave him open to anything that comes along.

 

[Darthphere]

It's beyond a vacation (though he has taken one) it's an incurable disease, he was healthy when the project was undertaken but with a very weak immune system which basically won't go away and does leave him open to anything that comes along.

As I said, I understand that. But if you cant get a monthly comic out, maybe you should take a step back and drop a cpuple of things. Its worrisome considering he still has 3 big Marvel projects coming up next year.

 

[Dread]

Chronic lateness is something that plagues the modern comic industry, especially Marvel in this regard. Heck, their hot "summer" event, CIVIL WAR, will be delayed starting from the midway point and not finish until early '07 at this rate. There've also been delays of Top 20 calliber books like ASTONISHING X-MEN, NEW AVENGERS, MOON KNIGHT, etc. that go on and on. And after years of this, who does Bevroot single out?

Dan Slott. A great but poor selling writer whose books rarely get any support from Marvel except when they need them for a crossover event, sort of like when the pimp wants the aging madam to do "one show, because I be in a jam, dawg" and then it's back to beatings and tribute every other night. There are far, far, FAR more notoriously late books, books that are IMPORTANT to Marvel's sales, moreso than Slott's, unfortunately. SHE-HULK isn't a Top 10 book. Neither was THE THING or GLA or whatever. I can't count how many Top 20 Marvel books were late or have been late for issues at at time.

Does Bevroot dare speak ill of Quesada, whose own ignorance of his own life and schedule has caused BOTH of his pet projects, NYX (which too many people forgive him for) and DAREDEVIL: FATHER to be endlessly late? Does he utter a word about Kevin Smith, lest they keep their souls available for another stint with him? Does he dare raise a finger about some other late books that I won't mention? No. He chooses a writer whose work, no thanks to Marvel, is lucky to sell within the Top 50 on average, and lays into him.

And about Slott's "comfort level"...he's been honest online about him only being able to handle maybe 2 ongoings a month. Yet some months he got overloaded. Why? Does he choose to overwork himself, or does Marvel dump in the work? And if Slott takes on more than he can chew, don't the Marvel staff know him well enough to go, "Wait, you're busy, you can't do all this, don't kill yourself"? It's not like he lives in F'ing Europe like some writers and has that distance to complicate matters. Or does Marvel just pile on as much work as a writer or their editorial staff wants and then only barks when it crashes? That's the equalivent to a bartender serving drinks to someone who is well over the limit and then not expecting any responsibility when that drunk gets hurt because of it. Not calling Slott an abuser, but I'm saying that as both professional workers and artists, shouldn't Bevroot have a healthy idea of what is beyond Slott's comfort level and not offer him beyond that, even if he asks?

I'd believe Bevroot truly gave a damn if he ranted so furiously about late writers/artists who are higher on the Marvel food chain than Dan Slott. He hasn't, and that's very telling.

 

[gildea]

nd if Slott takes on more than he can chew, don't the Marvel staff know him well enough to go, "Wait, you're busy, you can't do all this, don't kill yourself"? It's not like he lives in F'ing Europe like some writers and has that distance to complicate matters. Or does Marvel just pile on as much work as a writer or their editorial staff wants and then only barks when it crashes?

Has slott ever been above his comfort level of two books at marvel?

He hardly seems to be getting piles of work from them, I don't think there is anything to indicate what you're suggesting here.

I'd believe Bevroot truly gave a damn if he ranted so furiously about late writers/artists who are higher on the Marvel food chain than Dan Slott. He hasn't, and that's very telling.

Given what slott says in response I think you're being very unfair on Tom here. I don't think toms comment was about lateness in general but slott in particular.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

As I said, I understand that. But if you cant get a monthly comic out, maybe you should take a step back and drop a cpuple of things. Its worrisome considering he still has 3 big Marvel projects coming up next year.

Agreed. I wouldn't allow sickness to be used as an excuse. If you want me to believe that your sickness impares you (which is obviously does, being the disease it is) I would say that one should not work as they do, and then try to push the reason for being as the sickness.

 

[Dread]

Has slott ever been above his comfort level of two books at marvel?

He hardly seems to be getting piles of work from them, I don't think there is anything to indicate what you're suggesting here.




Given what slott says in response I think you're being very unfair on Tom here. I don't think toms comment was about lateness in general but slott in particular.

Then he's a bully because I could list a ton of better selling books who have been later and notoriously so than Slott's. And if Bevroot DOESN'T care about the epidemic of late Marvel books, which is biting into CW as we speak, then he needs another job. Plain and simple.

ULTIMATES 2? Has ANY issue shipped on time? Where are the rants about Millar and Hitch? Oh, right, they sell in the Top 10, and Millar is one of Marvel's "top creators" from whoose teet Quesada suckles at and whose imput is valuable to any Marvel event. He's untouchable.

At least 1/3rd of all NEW AVENGERS issues have shipped late. David Finch is notorious for being late, and that's dragging MOON KNIGHT behind. But they all sell well, so he doesn't say BOO.

How about ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK? Or is Tom such a LOST-oholic that he wouldn't wag his tongue to chew out the writer there? Or is it because, again, that book sold well?

Kevin Smith is trucked out about every 3-5 years to write something for Marvel these days, and they've been horribly late. But rather than instill a "next time, or no more" message, it's treated as a joke. Why? Because Smith sells.

Meanwhile, Dan Slott, brilliant as he is and I love whatever he writes (on average), doesn't sell as well, and isn't as pivotal to the current editorial machine. So he gets the riot act, and now Tom pretends to care about late comics, much like the head MLB people pretending to "care about steriods" only when it becomes a national scandal, and not before, or after. I see Tom kicking a writer who's lower on the food chain for things that those higher-up get away with with immunity because their comics sell better (and, ironically, are suppored more often). Marvel has a "what me worry" approach when something that sells in the Top 10 or 20 is late, month after month, and goes with the "wouldja want us to have a fill-in come in and ruin it? Or would you rather be patient and have your wallets handy? Shadduppayumouth!" But all of a sudden Slott's the scapegoat? I smell dirty pool.

 

[gildea]

Agreed. I wouldn't allow sickness to be used as an excuse. If you want me to believe that your sickness impares you (which is obviously does, being the disease it is) I would say that one should not work as they do, and then try to push the reason for being as the sickness.

You can't prepare for something that happens at random though.
Sure he has an increased POSSIBILITY of being ill and unable to work due to a weaker immune system, it's not as if he knew he was going to be sick but took the work on anyway.
It technically wasn't his crohns disease that impaired him it was something else which could have happened to anyone (though more likely millar but as said you can't turn down the biggest job of your career on the off chance something could go wrong).

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

You can't prepare for something that happens at random though.
Sure he has an increased POSSIBILITY of being ill and unable to work due to a weaker immune system, it's not as if he knew he was going to be sick but took the work on anyway.
It technically wasn't his crohns disease that impaired him it was something else which could have happened to anyone (though more likely millar but as said you can't turn down the biggest job of your career on the off chance something could go wrong).

I'll put it this way. If I was the lead developer for a project incorporating the manual arrangement of fermions, and that a TON of the research would be done and utilized by me, but I was suffering from a deadly disease from which it actually distracted me, and turned me into an anchor for the team, I'd put aside my pride and desire for such a project, in the slim hope of living to see the project done. Rather than die in the middle of an already late project, and basically assure it's role as never being finished because of me. Because it is random, makes it all the much more evident. *Is totally lying.*


I give him no quarter. He KNOWS about it, and yet he chooses to do it anyway.

If someone pulls the trigger to a gun, they expect a bullet to come out.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Has slott ever been above his comfort level of two books at marvel?

He hardly seems to be getting piles of work from them, I don't think there is anything to indicate what you're suggesting here.

He mentioned in his response that he had a lot of projects all on his plate at once in November/December of last year, and that it took a toll on his health.

 

[gildea]

Then he's a bully because I could list a ton of better selling books who have been later and notoriously so than Slott's.

Dread that's nonsense plain and simple, read slotts response tom b does not bully slott.

ULTIMATES 2? Has ANY issue shipped on time? Where are the rants about Millar and Hitch? Oh, right, they sell in the Top 10, and Millar is one of Marvel's "top creators" from whoose teet Quesada suckles at and whose imput is valuable to any Marvel event. He's untouchable.

the first half of ultimates two shipped on time then millar got sick. (unexpectedly at this point).

Meanwhile, Dan Slott, brilliant as he is and I love whatever he writes (on average), doesn't sell as well, and isn't as pivotal to the current editorial machine. So he gets the riot act, and now Tom pretends to care about late comics, much like the head MLB people pretending to "care about steriods" only when it becomes a national scandal, and not before, or after.

You're taking this waaaayyy out of context.
Tom b was not answering a question about late books someone asked him if he had a problem with slotts work and he answered about his lateness. The topic on hand was specifically slott not lateness (its kind of irrelevant to start talking about kevin smith when asked about slott)

I see Tom kicking a writer who's lower on the food chain for things that those higher-up get away with with immunity because their comics sell better (and, ironically, are suppored more often). Marvel has a "what me worry" approach when something that sells in the Top 10 or 20 is late, month after month, and goes with the "wouldja want us to have a fill-in come in and ruin it? Or would you rather be patient and have your wallets handy? Shadduppayumouth!" But all of a sudden Slott's the scapegoat? I smell dirty pool.

As said your taking this out of context as it was about slott and toms feelings on him specifically, that and given that slotts recent response to this there is no scape goating going on. If tom was talking about lateness and singled out slott it would be scapegoating but he wasn't

 

[Dread]

I still say that if if Slott's books sold at least 100,000 copies or more, Bevroot wouldn't say DIDDLY. I know it, he knows it, Marvel knows it.

It's good that this week, Tom feels the need to make a stand about late Marvel books, in the wake of CW being delayed. I just feel Slott is the wrong test target for this new zeal, since I know it won't last or be aimed in any way at a well selling, "STAR" creator. Marvel has no problem making fans wait for stuff that sells well, but now is raising a fit for making them wait for stuff that doesn't? It's a double standard to me.

Like I said, where is the response to any of the late books I mention? No, the editors joke off anyone who DARES ask about books like ULTIMATE WOLVERINE & HULK, having a lasse-fare, "what do YOU care, it'll come out when it comes out and it'll sell out, so who the hell cares" attitude.

 

[iloveclones]

Then he's a bully because I could list a ton of better selling books who have been later and notoriously so than Slott's. And if Bevroot DOESN'T care about the epidemic of late Marvel books, which is biting into CW as we speak, then he needs another job. Plain and simple.

ULTIMATES 2? Has ANY issue shipped on time? Where are the rants about Millar and Hitch? Oh, right, they sell in the Top 10, and Millar is one of Marvel's "top creators" from whoose teet Quesada suckles at and whose imput is valuable to any Marvel event. He's untouchable.

At least 1/3rd of all NEW AVENGERS issues have shipped late. David Finch is notorious for being late, and that's dragging MOON KNIGHT behind. But they all sell well, so he doesn't say BOO.

How about ULTIMATE WOLVERINE VS. HULK? Or is Tom such a LOST-oholic that he wouldn't wag his tongue to chew out the writer there? Or is it because, again, that book sold well?

Kevin Smith is trucked out about every 3-5 years to write something for Marvel these days, and they've been horribly late. But rather than instill a "next time, or no more" message, it's treated as a joke. Why? Because Smith sells.

Meanwhile, Dan Slott, brilliant as he is and I love whatever he writes (on average), doesn't sell as well, and isn't as pivotal to the current editorial machine. So he gets the riot act, and now Tom pretends to care about late comics, much like the head MLB people pretending to "care about steriods" only when it becomes a national scandal, and not before, or after. I see Tom kicking a writer who's lower on the food chain for things that those higher-up get away with with immunity because their comics sell better (and, ironically, are suppored more often). Marvel has a "what me worry" approach when something that sells in the Top 10 or 20 is late, month after month, and goes with the "wouldja want us to have a fill-in come in and ruin it? Or would you rather be patient and have your wallets handy? Shadduppayumouth!" But all of a sudden Slott's the scapegoat? I smell dirty pool.

There are very few areas in life that are different than this. High performers are given slack. You name the arena: school, sports, music, business, law, whatever. If you're the top of the heap, no-one is going to say boo to you, lest you take your talents where they're more appreciated. Guys on the way up are subjected to a different set of rules. Fair? Not even a little. But it is life.

I don't agree with Tom Breevort doing something like this publicly, but I would fire him on the spot if he were doing it to big-sellers like Bendis and Millar. And JQ? That's just ridiculous. I mean, good grief, everyone who has publicly criticized their boss, raise their hands. Because he wouldn't just be cutting his throat at Marvel, he'd be committing industry wide suicide.

 

[gildea]

I'll put it this way. If I was the lead developer for a project incorporating the manual arrangement of fermions, and that a TON of the research would be done and utilized by me, but I was suffering from a deadly disease from which it actually distracted me, and turned me into an anchor for the team, I'd put aside my pride and desire for such a project, in the slim hope of living to see the project done. Rather than die in the middle of an already late project, and basically assure it's role as never being finished because of me. Because it is random, makes it all the much more evident. *Is totally lying.*

His crohns was under control at this point as such wasn't distracting him.

I give him no quarter. He KNOWS about it, and yet he chooses to do it anyway.

If someone pulls the trigger to a gun, they expect a bullet to come out.

He didn't "KNOW" about the infection that sent him to bed. It was something you or I could catch.

Stop making up stuff so you feel justified in passing judgement.

 

[gildea]

I still say that if if Slott's books sold at least 100,000 copies or more, Bevroot wouldn't say DIDDLY. I know it, he knows it, Marvel knows it.

It's good that this week, Tom feels the need to make a stand about late Marvel books, in the wake of CW being delayed. I just feel Slott is the wrong test target for this new zeal, since I know it won't last or be aimed in any way at a well selling, "STAR" creator. Marvel has no problem making fans wait for stuff that sells well, but now is raising a fit for making them wait for stuff that doesn't? It's a double standard to me.

dread I don't know how to say this again but he was directly asked a question if he had a problem with dan slott and he answered lateness. he was not talking about book scheduling he was talking about slott. He answered a question to the point, he is NOT campaigning against book lateness or even trying to make a specific point about that. There is no zeal or test targeting here.

he was asked a question, he answered on topic. notjing wrong with that.

Like I said, where is the response to any of the late books I mention? No, the editors joke off anyone who DARES ask about books like ULTIMATE WOLVERINE & HULK, having a lasse-fare, "what do YOU care, it'll come out when it comes out and it'll sell out, so who the hell cares" attitude.

Go over to the joe Q board and ask him. Its COMPLETELY unfair dread to criticise someone for answering a question but not commeting on something UNRELATED to the question.

If the topic was comic book lateness in general then I would agree with you but it wasn't.