Iron Man Bridges is The Mandarin & Favreau is Happy Hogan.

Is Jeff Bridges the Mandarin???

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Exactly. Keep the core elements of Iron Man & Stark intact and update what you must.
 
The Infernal said:
But the problem is that you're really hard pressed to find an original story nowadays. Especially when you break it down into simple terms like that. Even though I'm not a big reader of Iron Man, if there is precedence for this in the comics then I'm not bothered as long as they keep to the spirit of Iron Man whether or not it's similar to something else.
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Ok, so here you have the example of Spiderman where the hero's friend is the villain and THE AUDIENCE ALREADY KNOWS HE'S THE VILLAIN. Then you have Batman where the hero's friend turns out to be his enemy but it is a surprise to the audience as much as it is to Batman. The audience finds out that Ducard is really Ra's at the same time Bruce does. I think the only reason to make Stane the Mandarin would be to have some sort of surprise like that for the audience which is too close to Batman IMO. I mean, it would be used as a surprising twist, but since the same twist was used in Batman, I think it would be a waste. Just my opinion.
 
Yeah because Batman Begins is the originator of plot and character twists...and they own the patent. For any film to do it after Batman Begins is ridiculous. ;)
 
Spider - Man said:
Ok, so here you have the example of Spiderman where the hero's friend is the villain and THE AUDIENCE ALREADY KNOWS HE'S THE VILLAIN. Then you have Batman where the hero's friend turns out to be his enemy but it is a surprise to the audience as much as it is to Batman. The audience finds out that Ducard is really Ra's at the same time Bruce does. I think the only reason to make Stane the Mandarin would be to have some sort of surprise like that for the audience which is too close to Batman IMO. I mean, it would be used as a surprising twist, but since the same twist was used in Batman, I think it would be a waste. Just my opinion.
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Sorry. I thought you were talking about the guy turning out to be Iron Monger, not the Mandarin. I don't mind the whole mentor/nemesis plot but if they did make it the Mandarin then I guess I would be a bit dissapointed. I want the Mandarin to be 'The Mandarin'.

Oh and about people remembering the plotline from BB. The film got mixed reviews and whilst I thought it was good it wasn't that memorable either and it's been a few years since. The mainstream aren't likely to think of the connection as we would.
 
Advanced Dark said:
Yeah because Batman Begins is the originator of plot and character twists...and they own the patent. For any film to do it after Batman Begins is ridiculous. ;)
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Well, I was trying to avoid sarcasm but perhaps that's inevitable when debating on a comic movie forum. I never said that any film that does it after batman would be ridiculous. My hopes are simply higher than that as I feel Favreau wouldn't use something so specifically similar to another recent popular superhero film. It has nothing to do with whether they can use it or not, but whether they should.
 
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Anyway, on the "Will 'The Mandarin' be in the movie or not?" department, I have it on very good authority that if the character does appear in the movie, it will amount to little more than a cameo as one of the people involved in Tony Stark's initial capture in the Middle East. If the film is succesful (as I expect it to be) they may save Mandarin for the second film. When the movie was first announced it was stated that the Mandarin would be the villain in the film, but it seems that things have changed.

And in regards to the Stane character, here is some background in inviso-text (highlight the following section to read it if you don't mind reading a pretty significant spoiler):
Stane will have supplied the organization that kidnapped Tony Stark with Stark Industries-built weapons. This same group will be responsible for much havoc in the Middle East. This group then turns around and gives Stane the technology and material that allows him to create the Iron Monger armor.
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Well if that's true this can be put to rest again. Unless Taob's character is 2 sided. LOL
 
If this rumor is true, this would be how I'd like it to play out.

Stane as Iron Monger being the main villain in the first film with the Mandarin in the background, setting plans within plans in motion and in the second film, making his presence felt as the main villain.
 
I'm a bit disappointed and I am getting tired of the corporate CEO villain types.

The thing is, I think the origin flick is getting played out. I mean what if the movie doesn't do so well and we don't get that hopefully more exciting sequel featuring the Mandarin?

Look what happened to Daredevil and the Hulk.
 
TheVileOne said:
I'm a bit disappointed and I am getting tired of the corporate CEO villain types.

The thing is, I think the origin flick is getting played out. I mean what if the movie doesn't do so well and we don't get that hopefully more exciting sequel featuring the Mandarin?

Look what happened to Daredevil and the Hulk.
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I can understand your frustration but Stane actually is a CEO in the comics. If his origin were to be radically changed from a CEO to something else, Marvel would then risk getting the Iron man purists and fans in an uproar.

I think in IM's case, it's better to do an origin story. He's not as well known as Superman, Batman or Spider-man. Marvel wants the film to not only appeal just to the fans but the general audience as well. If the film were to be done as another episode in the life of IM, I think the general audience would be confused. I'm sure questions about how he got the armor, why does he have to wear the chest plate and other questions would come up. If you only glance over those explanations or show it in flashbacks, you take the chance of the audience not relating or caring about Tony as a character. In order for this film to make money and get a sequel, the general audience has to be able to care enough about Tony and find him interesting to see it possibly more than once or go out and tell their friends to go see the film so it will be a success.

I don't understand the comment about the Hulk, he's getting a sequel.
 
redlion2 said:
I can understand your frustration but Stane actually is a CEO in the comics. If his origin were to be radically changed from a CEO to something else, Marvel would then risk getting the Iron man purists and fans in an uproar.
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I know. I'm not saying to force a change with Stane or that Stane shouldn't be in it. And I know he was a rival CEO/industrialist with Stark in the comics as well.

But I mean in this case, I think it should've been Justin Hammer instead of Stane.

I think in IM's case, it's better to do an origin story. He's not as well known as Superman, Batman or Spider-man. Marvel wants the film to not only appeal just to the fans but the general audience as well. If the film were to be done as another episode in the life of IM, I think the general audience would be confused. I'm sure questions about how he got the armor, why does he have to wear the chest plate and other questions would come up. If you only glance over those explanations or show it in flashbacks, you take the chance of the audience not relating or caring about Tony as a character. In order for this film to make money and get a sequel, the general audience has to be able to care enough about Tony and find him interesting to see it possibly more than once or go out and tell their friends to go see the film so it will be a success.
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I understand these arguments. However, the problem I have with origin films now is that the orign stories themselves now feel obligatory and have this sense of, "We HAVE to tell the origin story and get it out of the way so we can get to the sequel." So it's like this forced lame origin story now. I'm not saying that will happen with Iron Man since Favreau seems very competent and seems to know what he's doing, but it's just what I'm concerned with.

It's possible for an origin story to answer all those questions but still not be compelling at all and it still can't get the audience to care about it.

That's kind of why I'd like to see a filmmaker challenge this origin story convention with a first time superhero movie. Something that flies in the face of the idea of "We have to do it the origin movie way the first time around so the audience will care about it. That's the only way it can be."

I don't understand the comment about the Hulk, he's getting a sequel.
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I heard differently. When I read about it, sequel seems to be a word that's constantly "omitted".
 
^^^Hey man, I understand where you're coming from and maybe one day we'll get a very creative director that will throw convention to the wind and not do an origin story...and possibly it might work.

I misunderstood about the Stane comment but if they used Justin Hammer, it would still be a business rival of Tony's.

Technically, The Incredible Hulk isn't being called a sequel but the story is taking place where the other film left off and the main point is we are getting a second Hulk film.
 
Remember guys this storyline was written as a trilogy so it's all gonna fit together seamlessly when Iron Man 2 comes out. Fergus and Favreau know what they're doing. Perhaps it's better with Mandarin in the background and he becomes more of a player in part 2 & 3. Sort of like the Emperor in Star Wars. :)
 
That was just early speculation since the character was never cast in public like the rest. There's lots of that speculation in this thread.
 
Weeks ago i posted a pic of Favreau on set in another thread.He's dressed up in suit which he's normally not when directing. This fact and the new report seems to confirm him as Happy Hogan.:yay:

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Jon Favreau, Eric K. Fledderman (Iron Man) April 2007

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^ Yep. And I"m gonna laugh my ass off at the end of Iron Man 2 when it's revealed that the secretive elusive Mandarin is Obidiah the whole time pulling all the strings right before Starks's eyes. LOL
 
Advanced Dark said:
^ Yep. And I"m gonna laugh my ass off at the end of Iron Man 2 when it's revealed that the secretive elusive Mandarin is Obidiah the whole time pulling all the strings right before Starks's eyes. LOL
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Would Favreau really copy Batman Begins like that?
 
The Mandarin is going to be the old man who's locked up with him in the cave.

Stane is going to be a puppet of the Mandarin's...The Mandarin will show up at the end of #1 setting up #2.
 
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