Bring back MX, (Muhammad X)

[Varient]

Superman should have responded with a "Why stop with Harlem?"

1. The Boyscout be that curt when faced with sumbody he doesn't know questioning HIS motives?
(chuckle)
Nope. Superman is written to only be curt when he's already tried polite convo.

2. That would've blown right past X because the way they wrote him all he see's is Harlem.

They need to have something reach into Harlem and PULL HIM OUT so he can change his mindset and become a hero for everyone.

V.

 

[Varient]

Sure we do. But theres anger, then theres being an ignorant mook. And that's what this guy comes off as. Now, what V has in mind is for this guy to step outside of his little coner of the world and see that theres more at steak here then what goes down in Harlem. Which I think isn't a bad place to take the character. If anybody is willing to put in the time.

I'd write it for free.

 

[Varient]

Muhammad X? Wow, that's a good name--hits right into what the guy is all about.

Would be a pretty interesting arc to see, though, him turning from a narrow-minded ABM to a more open hero.

Yes,.. I think it would.

You already know that he wants to help people,.. he's not doing it for personal gain, but his focus is too narrow.


The story idea's,...

For example: If you took a small town sheriff and put him in charge of policing a big city,.. the guy would collasp in exaustion after a week or so because he would try to do it the same way he always did.


Only Superman could do that sort of thing for a bit (At one point he tried being superman 24/7. good read on explaining why he needs to be Clark sometimes.), And even he couldn't keep it up,.. (Of course he was doing it with the entire planet.) So a good story would be MX trying to patrol all of New York,... or the Eastern United States w/o the support that most heroes run with.

He would get ragged until he got a clue.

Yup,.. I'd write it for free.

 

[Tropico]

Thank you.

I wish DC would take a hard look at the character - he would be their first Black hero who wasn't mentored, wasn't sponsored, wasn't "given" a piece of tech, not driven by a mistake he did in the past.

That's not fair to Terrific because while he is none of those things,.. it read to me that he became terrific only as a grief sop to give him a reason to go on after the death of his wife.

Superman was born this way and raised right - and CHOSE the job.
The Flashes were in various accidents and raised right and chose the job.
With the exception of Batman and Plasticman All the non legacy folk I can think of CHOSE to be heroes

Meh - Black Lightning was after the 100.
Lantern was tapped as an alternate,
Jakeem as a replacement,
Cyborg needed a purpose.

These guys didn't choose.
They were picked - or could do nothing else.

Here was DC's chance to have one in the spirit of a Superman or Flash or Aquaman or Wonderwoman,... and they blew it.

If you're going to count the Flahes after Jay (I could give you Barry, too) then you have to count John Henry, too. He chose to be what he is. You can cite all the editorial reasons you want and how the comic came to be, but if we're talking about character reasons...he chose it.

 

[Varient]

If you're going to count the Flahes after Jay (I could give you Barry, too) then you have to count John Henry, too. He chose to be what he is. You can cite all the editorial reasons you want and how the comic came to be, but if we're talking about character reasons...he chose it.

He stepped up.
I give him credit for that.
He tried to replace someone as best he could who went missing BECAUSE that character saved his life.

Sort of a "Pass it on" kinda thing.

In a elseworld episode he could easily have become "Superman,.. the man of Steel."

But I'm stickng with my point that DC has yet to intro a black hero the way the majority of other heroes start out.


Peace.

 

[Aristotle]

Sure we do. But theres anger, then theres being an ignorant mook. And that's what this guy comes off as. Now, what V has in mind is for this guy to step outside of his little coner of the world and see that theres more at steak here then what goes down in Harlem. Which I think isn't a bad place to take the character. If anybody is willing to put in the time.

I'm well aware that this isn't how anybody intends it, but the only way that sounds is "angry black man steps outside himself, sees that there are broader problems, and goes home smiling, 'wow, my problems sure aren't very significant! I will no longer assume an anti-authoritarian attitude!"

Is that something that should really be projected?

 

[sandwraith]

Actually, I prefer Wise Son from the old Dakota books. I've never even seen this Muhammad X guy.

 

[yenaled]

Amazing Man I chose to be a hero after he gained powers in an accident and his grandson decided to continue that on.

Mr Terrific didn't become a hero out of guilt, his life had a void after his wife died and he filled it by helping other people inspired by the story of Terry Sloane. He chose it.

Black Lightning moved back home after going to University, saw the mess his home (Suicide Slum) was in and became a hero to clear it up.

John Henry Irons saw a reason to help the world, his city and fill a promise to a dead "friend". He chose it.

John Stewart was given a piece of tech - like all Green Lanterns - but he chose to be a hero and he chose not to wear a mask.

To say Black heroes don't become heroes out of choice and are only given or forced into it is stupid. It's blind ignorance.

I'd rather see a black hero like Mr Terrific who is inspired by a dead hero to become a superhero than an angry black guy who accuses Superman of being Racist despite the fact that Superman every other week is around the world saving villages in Africa from Earthquakes or Pacific Islanders from Volcanoes. MX doesn't strike me as heroic, he strikes me as an ignorant idiot.

 

[Kitsune]

I was think a little more about this, and I wonder what would happen if you had a white Superhero who went out of his way to protect Black neighborhoods. Would such a character be regarded with suspicion, gratitude, or a little of both?

 

[Varient]

To say Black heroes don't become heroes out of choice and are only given or forced into it is stupid. It's blind ignorance.

I'd rather see a black hero like Mr Terrific who is inspired by a dead hero to become a superhero than an angry black guy who accuses Superman of being Racist despite the fact that Superman every other week is around the world saving villages in Africa from Earthquakes or Pacific Islanders from Volcanoes. MX doesn't strike me as heroic, he strikes me as an ignorant idiot.

Kinda strong to say that my opinion is simply blind ignorance.

You can't see what I mean in any way then I really can't argue the point with you,.. you don't see the difference between the origin of the iconic's like Superman, Wonderwoman, The Flash, Aquaman, ... and Black Lightning, Steel, and Terrific,...
Born or given thru accident then choosing
and
specific, sponsored, and driven to fill a void,

I can't argue.

Look at Hardware for an example of what I'm talking about.

 

[Varient]

I was think a little more about this, and I wonder what would happen if you had a white Superhero who went out of his way to protect Black neighborhoods. Would such a character be regarded with suspicion, gratitude, or a little of both?

Based on real life,.. there would be a minority in that community which would suspicious,... but I can think of and know of people of a diff ethnic background being raised or accepted in a grouping other than their own w/o any sort of conflict.

One of my boyhood friends for example - was a white boy raised in a black family after his parents were killed in an auto accident. His foster parents were best friends in the military with his parents.
Point: by the time he was running with us as a teen,... you had to look at him to know he was white. He spoke, sounded, thought, moved and reacted the same ways we did,...

I'm thinking that maybe I need to go into more detail on what I want for MX.

 

[Kitsune]

Based on real life,.. there would be a minority in that community which would suspicious,... but I can think of and know of people of a diff ethnic background being raised or accepted in a grouping other than their own w/o any sort of conflict.

One of my boyhood friends for example - was a white boy raised in a black family after his parents were killed in an auto accident. His foster parents were best friends in the military with his parents.
Point: by the time he was running with us as a teen,... you had to look at him to know he was white. He spoke, sounded, thought, moved and reacted the same ways we did,...

I'm thinking that maybe I need to go into more detail on what I want for MX.

I've been on the opposite end of that. I had a friend in college who was black but raised by white adoptive parents. I remember him telling me about being pulled by the cops while driving home.

On the other end of the spectrum I knew a kid from highschool who hung out with black kids and got in trouble for thinking it was okay for him to use the N-Word.

 

[Varient]

Actually, I prefer Wise Son from the old Dakota books. I've never even seen this Muhammad X guy.

It was literely a "one - shot" where superman was cruising thru New York and came across a crime in Progress.

It put forth the issue of perception - that you don't see Superman helping minorities in America, you see him helping Aliens, helping Countries having planetary issues,... and him dealing with white supervillians in upper-middle class and above neighborhoods.

MX gave him a hard time for showing up in Harlem where he and a few other "colored" heroes were operating below the radar of what DC comics normally displays.

(Consider - we will see month after month of Zantanna or Mary Marvel but Vixen HAS to join the JLA to be seen,.. When John Henry Left the JLA, he went into the limbo of being on tap for anything Superman needed help on in the technical - but otherwise he wasn't doing squat.)

Superman went back and asked his wife if he were racist,.. (chuckle), Then he asked Natalie Irons about MX and found out there were a number of "black heroes operating that he didn't know about.

You have to ask,... Why is that? and why when the crap hits the fan that you will see relativly unpowered heroes like Wildcat and (gasp) Batman,.. but not someone of MX's Power level in the mix?

V.

 

[Harlekin]

"Closed-minded" is a word all too often applied to anyone with radical or revolutionary ideas, by people too small-minded to accept those ideas.

Why, pray tell then, Aristotle, what is so incredibly revolutionary about MX's stance? I agree that Varient's stance on the character could be quite a radical turn, but as he's been established, he's a pretty close-minded character, even if I understand why he is so.

 

[Dragmire]

I was going to go off on a longwinded tirade about the prejudice of the speaker vs. the audience but work just got real and I can't fool around on the boards anymore. So I will leave you with "What about the black skins?"

 

[Varient]

I'm well aware that this isn't how anybody intends it, but the only way that sounds is "angry black man steps outside himself, sees that there are broader problems, and goes home smiling, 'wow, my problems sure aren't very significant! I will no longer assume an anti-authoritarian attitude!"

Is that something that should really be projected?

First:
Why would I want him to go home after something dragged him out?

second:
What's wrong with "change?"
If Hal Jordan can Stop being a Butt,'
Superboy Stop being a Brat,
Supergirl not being a lil *****,
Nightwing Growing a pair and leaving the Outsiders,...
DeathStrokes Daughter growing a pair and joining the Titans,...

Why can't an opinionated Black man get a reality check and get out and see the world?


V.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can't help thinking a lot of what Varient wants would be provided if DC were finally allowed to use the Milestone characters. I, for one, would like to see some of them again.

 

[RockSP]

I can't help thinking a lot of what Varient wants would be provided if DC were finally allowed to use the Milestone characters. I, for one, would like to see some of them again.

Hell to the naw (c)Whitney Houston.

DC would turn the Milestone characters into "crisis" fodder. I'm all for a return of Milestone...but as it's own entity.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Muhammad X is Marvel's Rage.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Hell to the naw (c)Whitney Houston.

DC would turn the Milestone characters into "crisis" fodder. I'm all for a return of Milestone...but as it's own entity.

Yeah, I guess. Given how horribly they've ****ed the vast majority of the Fawcett and Charlton characters, I'd probably want Milestone to remain its own entity, too.

 

[Varient]

I can't help thinking a lot of what Varient wants would be provided if DC were finally allowed to use the Milestone characters. I, for one, would like to see some of them again.

Bring back Milstone? I'd be happy.

Hell to the naw (c)Whitney Houston.

DC would turn the Milestone characters into "crisis" fodder. I'm all for a return of Milestone...but as it's own entity.

Not as part of the official DC universe.

Muhammad X is Marvel's Rage.

Rage Is a child in an adults body.

Yeah, I guess. Given how horribly they've ****ed the vast majority of the Fawcett and Charlton characters, I'd probably want Milestone to remain its own entity, too.

AGREED>

 

[La The Darkman]

I never cared for the character much. I couldn't get over how dated the look they gave him was. And even though he had a point he still came across as angry black man.

 

[Assassin]

1. The Boyscout be that curt when faced with sumbody he doesn't know questioning HIS motives?
(chuckle)
Nope. Superman is written to only be curt when he's already tried polite convo.

2. That would've blown right past X because the way they wrote him all he see's is Harlem.
They need to have something reach into Harlem and PULL HIM OUT so he can change his mindset and become a hero for everyone.

V.

why is it okay for th eblack guy to stay in harlem, but the white guy has to be every where? where was MX when Paris got car jacked in the Hamptons?

 

[Varient]

why is it okay for th eblack guy to stay in harlem, but the white guy has to be every where? where was MX when Paris got car jacked in the Hamptons?

Humor noted.

I'm putting forth the idea to get him out of Harlem and into the rest of the world.

 

[chamber-music]

Give A Black Man A Chance!

.............Kidding t: