British Medical College: Kill Disabled Babies.

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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/5/115209.shtml?s=ic

Sunday, Nov. 5, 2006 11:46 a.m. EST

British Medical College: Kill Disabled Babies

If a respected British medical school has its way, British doctors will be routinely killing babies born with serious disabilities.

The Times of London reported in a page one story this weekend on the shocking proposal from Britain's respected Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecology.

The College has called on doctors to consider permitting infanticide in the case of seriously disabled newborn babies.

According to the paper, geneticists and medical ethicists supported the proposal -— as did the mother of a severely disabled child -— while a prominent children’s doctor described it as "social engineering.”

John Wyatt, consultant neonatologist at University College London hospital, told the Times: "Intentional killing is not part of medical care,” adding that "The majority of doctors and health professionals believe that once you introduce the possibility of intentional killing into medical practice you change the fundamental nature of medicine. It immediately becomes a subjective decision as to whose life is worthwhile.”

If a doctor can decide whether a life is worth living, he told the Times, "it changes medicine into a form of social engineering where the aim is to maximize the benefit for society and minimize those who are perceived as worthless.”

And Simone Aspis of the British Council of Disabled People told the Times: "If we introduced euthanasia for certain conditions it would tell adults with those conditions that they were worth less than other members of society.”

Arguing that what it called "active euthanasia” -- their euphemism for infanticide -- should be considered for the overall good of families, to spare parents the emotional burden and financial hardship of bringing up the sickest babies, the college statement declared: "A very disabled child can mean a disabled family. If life-shortening and deliberate interventions to kill infants were available, they might have an impact on obstetric decision-making, even preventing some late abortions, as some parents would be more confident about continuing a pregnancy and taking a risk on outcome.”

The college’s call that "active euthanasia” of newborns be considered came as part of an inquiry into the ethical issues raised by the policy of prolonging life in newborn babies by the Nuffield Council on Bioethics.

In response to the inquiry, the college stated: "We would like the working party to think more radically about non-resuscitation, withdrawal of treatment decisions, the best interests test and active euthanasia as they are ways of widening the management options available to the sickest of newborns.”

Initially, the inquiry did not address euthanasia of newborns, as this is illegal in Britain, the Times reported, noting that now the college has succeeded in having it considered. Although it says it is not formally calling for active euthanasia to be introduced, it wants the mercy killing of newborn babies to be debated by society.

If doctors in the Netherlands –- where the Times observes mercy killing is permitted for a range of incurable conditions, including severe spina bifida and the painful skin condition called epidermolysis bullosa –- the question may be moot; they say that British doctors are already killing disabled babies.

Dr. Pieter Sauer, co-author of the Groningen Protocol, the Dutch national guidelines on euthanasia of newborns, told the Times that British pediatricians are already performing mercy killings, and says the practice should be done openly.

Sauer, head of the department of pediatrics at the University Medical Centre Groningen, told the Times: "In England they have exactly the same type of patients as we have here. English neonatologists gave me the indication that this is happening.”

As much was admitted by Dr Richard Nicholson, editor of the Bulletin of Medical Ethics, who told the Times he hastened the death of two severely handicapped newborn babies when he was a junior doctor in the 1970s. Speaking of the "pain, distress and discomfort” of severely handicapped babies he said: "I wouldn’t argue against this.”

Others coming out in favor of killing disabled babies were John Harris, a member of the government’s Human Genetics Commission and professor of bioethics at Manchester University and the mother of a baby born with a serious disability. Harris told the Times: "We can terminate for serious fetal abnormality up to term but cannot kill a newborn. What do people think has happened in the passage down the birth canal to make it OK to kill the fetus at one end of the birth canal but not at the other?” he said, obviously referring to partial-birth abortion.

And Edna Kennedy of Newcastle upon Tyne, whose son suffered epidermolysis bullosa, said: "In extremely controlled circumstances, where the baby is really suffering, it should be an option for the mother.”


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- Whirly
 
This disgusts me. My son was born severely disabled and had he survived there is no way I would have considered him unviable or a crippling to my family. Jordan would have been loved and cared for as any other child in my family. This is barbarism and elitist genocide. Jordan lived 3 and a 1/2 days and never once did I wish his death.
 
Dew k. Mosi said:
This disgusts me. My son was born severely disabled and had he survived there is no way I would have considered him unviable or a crippling to my family. Jordan would have been loved and cared for as any other child in my family. This is barbarism and elitist genocide. Jordan lived 3 and a 1/2 days and never once did I wish his death.
I am really sorry to hear that and you are better person for giving him a chance. Hell, pretty soon people will be picking exactly what they want in a baby like going to Walmart and choosing something.
 
chaseter said:
I am really sorry to hear that and you are better person for giving him a chance. Hell, pretty soon people will be picking exactly what they want in a baby like going to Walmart and choosing something.
Yeah exactly. Where do you draw the line? Is a missing limb worth euthanasia? Deafness? A crooked eye? The wrong hair color? If the child is suffering and there is no hope, it should be up to the parents and the parents alone. We opted to plug Jordy's breathing tube when it was clear he would never breathe on his own. No doctors have the right to decide, ever.
 
chaseter said:
I am really sorry to hear that and you are better person for giving him a chance. Hell, pretty soon people will be picking exactly what they want in a baby like going to Walmart and choosing something.

There is no gene for the human spirit and Dew I hope I never have to experience something like that. I regret your loss and wish you and your family well.

- Whirly
 
Thank you. It was seven years ago and I still think of him.
 
Dew k. Mosi said:
Thank you. It was seven years ago and I still think of him.
It's certainly not something that you just forget about and are done with forever. Some people just don't have hearts or souls IMO.
 
Dew k. Mosi said:
Thank you. It was seven years ago and I still think of him.

I don't imagine you will ever stop thinking of him Dew. I think probably remembering him is the most important thing regarding the whole tragedy. Although I'm not qualified thankfully to really put myself in your shoes and I feel out of my depth talking to you about this so I will say goodnight. I hope I haven't upset you with this thread if I have please delete it.


- Whirly
 
This doesn't exactly sound like something only "newsmax" should be covering, but interesting story nevertheless. Though I don't see this as being all that big of a deal, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.
 
As Dew said, the parents are the only ones who should EVER be able to decide their baby's fate. It's horrible to think that one day a parent will walk out of the nursery and say; "Sorry guys, the doctor had to put Junior down, he only had 9 fingers." :down
 
*walks in* *blinks*

Oh vey! and I would imagine they would think someone like Stephen Hawking is worthless or someone like me? :down
 
You know Stephen Hawking is getting a divorce because he had an affair?

How the hell did that happen?
 
Revolver_Ocelot said:
You know Stephen Hawking is getting a divorce because he had an affair?

How the hell did that happen?

That man has a way with words.
 
Absolutely disgusting. Who do these jackasses think they are? The Spartans? This is sick.
 
The Hippocratic Oath

I swear by Æsculapius, Hygeia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgement, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction.

I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.

To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.

Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.

But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art.

I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.

In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.

All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.

If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

Now certain parts this no longer make sense in today's time. But if doctors truely followed the spirit of this oath, this wouldn't even be up for discussion.

Makes me sad and outraged.
 
Good Idea.
Then lets kill all the adult disabled people, the elderly, the mentally handicapped.
In fact, we should just take them out back and shoot them like old Yeller.:whatever:

It seems like every time we think the human race goes forward, we take one step back also.

These people are doctors or medical students? Seems to me they are more like the students and friends of old doctor K.
 
SpeedballLives said:
lets kill all the adult disabled people, the elderly, the mentally handicapped.
just take them out back and shoot them

whoa there, himmler
 
Revolver_Ocelot said:
Didn't need to. I think I got your point.:down
And this is any better than what you said about the dolphin with two pairs of fins?
 
Before this goes any further, my 2 posts in this thread were a joke.

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