SuperFerret said:Ok, I'm going to play the Devil's advocate for a second here, and say that, in a broad species affecting way, this is a good idea. (Mind you, I'm only speaking scientifically here, I agree with all of you personally.)
With modern medicine working the way it does, human evolution has ceased. There is no natural selection if all humans, regardless of genetic defects, survives long enough to breed, thus passing down inferior genes. There's no 'survival of the fittest' anymore with humans, and the species is standing still in the genetic sense, while diseases (and other organisms) continue to up the ante in the biological arms race. In this way, the human race is getting weaker by not moving forward, and the more and more technological advances there are, the less and less humanity needs to change biologically to survive the harsh environs of planet Earth, and the more dependent on outside sources the species becomes.
That's probably the theory behind this idea. It's heartless, but in a way, it's true.
Dew k. Mosi said:This disgusts me. My son was born severely disabled and had he survived there is no way I would have considered him unviable or a crippling to my family. Jordan would have been loved and cared for as any other child in my family. This is barbarism and elitist genocide. Jordan lived 3 and a 1/2 days and never once did I wish his death.
SuperFerret said:Ok, I'm going to play the Devil's advocate for a second here, and say that, in a broad species affecting way, this is a good idea. (Mind you, I'm only speaking scientifically here, I agree with all of you personally.)
With modern medicine working the way it does, human evolution has ceased. There is no natural selection if all humans, regardless of genetic defects, survives long enough to breed, thus passing down inferior genes. There's no 'survival of the fittest' anymore with humans, and the species is standing still in the genetic sense, while diseases (and other organisms) continue to up the ante in the biological arms race. In this way, the human race is getting weaker by not moving forward, and the more and more technological advances there are, the less and less humanity needs to change biologically to survive the harsh environs of planet Earth, and the more dependent on outside sources the species becomes.
That's probably the theory behind this idea. It's heartless, but in a way, it's true.
Yeah, you're right. This is all the fault of embryonic stem cell research.War Lord said:I think I mentioned a few times that using embryoes for research would in turn create a slippery slope where authorities would slowly start to expand to include the born, but disabled and on up until only the most powerful and elitest wouldn't be considered resources of the state to be used at will.
Nice to know I'm correct, thank you.
SuperFerret said:Ok, I'm going to play the Devil's advocate for a second here, and say that, in a broad species affecting way, this is a good idea. (Mind you, I'm only speaking scientifically here, I agree with all of you personally.)
With modern medicine working the way it does, human evolution has ceased. There is no natural selection if all humans, regardless of genetic defects, survives long enough to breed, thus passing down inferior genes. There's no 'survival of the fittest' anymore with humans, and the species is standing still in the genetic sense, while diseases (and other organisms) continue to up the ante in the biological arms race. In this way, the human race is getting weaker by not moving forward, and the more and more technological advances there are, the less and less humanity needs to change biologically to survive the harsh environs of planet Earth, and the more dependent on outside sources the species becomes.
That's probably the theory behind this idea. It's heartless, but in a way, it's true.
Tuck&Benny said:Yeah, you're right. This is all the fault of embryonic stem cell research.![]()
You must be confused. Embryos are not less able human beings. They're embryos.War Lord said:It has to do with how we've defined humanity. If humanity is defined as just a tool or resource of the state, then it doesn't matter how we treat our fellow human beings and we can use the less able however we wish, including embryoes.
However, if humanity is defined as something sacred and untouchable, than we couldn't have used the embryoes for our benefit.
So, in a way, you are correct.
Tuck&Benny said:You must be confused. Embryos are not less able human beings. They're embryos.
Stephen Hawkings has ALS (Lou Gherigs disease), which he developed around 20. So you born deaf then? That doesn't stop you from living. But when the most you can hope for is to not die, what's the point?Morg said:*walks in* *blinks*
Oh vey! and I would imagine they would think someone like Stephen Hawking is worthless or someone like me?![]()
Exactly. So you can live for however few years you might have in a coma? People act as if these guys are gonna be waxing blind kids.lars573 said:Stephen Hawkings has ALS (Lou Gherigs disease), which he developed around 20. So you born deaf then? That doesn't stop you from living. But when the most you can hope for is to not die, what's the point?
DV8 said:does this mean they're going to kill JAL?![]()
Stephen Hawking wasn't born disabled. He developed a motor neuron disease in college which progessed rapidly leaving him the way he is now. Remarkably, he has survived much longer than anybody ever thought he would.Morg said:*walks in* *blinks*
Oh vey! and I would imagine they would think someone like Stephen Hawking is worthless or someone like me?![]()