Bush: U.S. doesn't eavesdrop on phone calls of ordinary Americans

Admiral_N8 said:
Yes how dare other people have the opportunity to enjoy a coca cola :rolleyes:
Why does Coca-Cola have to be spread around the world?
 
Addendum said:
Why does Coca-Cola have to be spread around the world?

Population control.

I'm told it makes a great spermicide.
 
War Lord said:
Population control.

I'm told it makes a great spermicide.

This works too

FatChick.jpg
 
Addendum said:
Why does Coca-Cola have to be spread around the world?

It doesnt "have" to. Why shouldnt it? Why, in your humble opinion, shouldnt people around the world be able to enjoy a nice cold coca-cola like you and I can?
 
I prefer uniqueness and competition, instead of conformity.

If I travel to Japan, I'd rather try one of their sodas instead of getting a can of Coca-Cola from Japan
 
Admiral_N8 said:
I also am part of that 65%...I was called for a survery too :o :)

things like monitoring suspected terrorists over the phone.

Buit isnt this the pint at the heart of the whole matter: How does one decide if someone is a suspected terrorist, how do you know thats the only people being monitored on a regular basis, and who decides these things?

If i remember, Its always been legal to wire tap citizens with a special court order. But Mr Dubya signed a presidential order allowing the security services to effectively spy on US citizens without the court order. and, IMO, thats where the problem lies. If they had to go and present evidence to a court as to why they suspect person X, and its a compelling case, IMO there is no problem with continuing that surveillance. But the important thing is,without that nbeed for a court order, How do you know they are only looking at suspected terrorists? cos they say so??
well, they are hardly likely to say "we are only tapping suspected terrorists. and black people. and the ACLU. and registered democrats", are they, even if that is exactly what they are doing.
 
Admiral_N8 said:
Sinewave any "debate" you go into always gets pathetic, because you just say things like "wow, you're extremely clueless and arrogant"[as you did on this thread recently] when you cant handle yourself.

So yes, please leave.

ha! that's great. the only things you add to these political threads are more of the same republican talking points. you sound like bush's press secretary. i, on the other hand, at least make attempts at adding rational thoughts and concerns to the discussion. sure, i've been known to throw out the occasional rant against you, but that's just for my pleasure. besides, everything i've said about you is basically the truth. you are arrogant and clueless with your capitalization of certain words, and you "k?"'s and "cute"'s and "how "silly"'s. you're wrapped up in your sheltered little world with no idea how the rest of america thinks. reference the recent poll that proved that american's believe every aspect of our foreign and domestic policies would be handled better by democrats than republicans. republicans have proven that when handed the keys to the federal government they'll only drive it into the ground.
 
Admiral_N8 said:
Reader: Nothing makes me think every terrorist is going to be Arab.

What i DO know is that we are in a war against islamic extremists who want to see the fall of America and our way of life.

Is that bad?

Not when American extremists want to see the fall of Middle East nations and their way of life.
 
AT&T's get out of jail free card, the letter from former Attorney General John (Where the Eagles Soar) Ashcroft. If a letter does not exist, I'm sure it is being forged right now.

http://news.com.com/Legal+loophole+emerges+in+NSA+spy+program/2100-1028_3-6073600.html

Lawyer for AT&T Bradford Berenson (now is that a whitebread skull and bones name or what?) used to be an attorney for....President George W Bush!

Berenson, the former attorney for President Bush who's now representing AT&T, complained about allegations that his client is violating the law. It's unfortunate that EFF "chose to use words like 'criminal tendency' and 'crimes,'" Berenson said. AT&T "is one of the great companies of the United States. To attach those kinds of labels is reckless at best."

Berenson's biography says he worked for Bush on the "war on terrorism" and the USA Patriot Act. Since leaving the White House, Berenson has written letters to Congress calling for renewal of the Patriot Act and has co-founded a group called Citizens for the Common Defence that advocates a "robust" view of presidential authority. It filed, for instance, an amicus brief before the Supreme Court in the Hamdi case arguing that a U.S. citizen could be detained indefinitely without trial because of the war on terror.
 
Armand Z Trip said:
AT&T's get out of jail free card, the letter from former Attorney General John (Where the Eagles Soar) Ashcroft. If a letter does not exist, I'm sure it is being forged right now.

http://news.com.com/Legal+loophole+emerges+in+NSA+spy+program/2100-1028_3-6073600.html

Lawyer for AT&T Bradford Berenson (now is that a whitebread skull and bones name or what?) used to be an attorney for....President George W Bush!

Berenson, the former attorney for President Bush who's now representing AT&T, complained about allegations that his client is violating the law. It's unfortunate that EFF "chose to use words like 'criminal tendency' and 'crimes,'" Berenson said. AT&T "is one of the great companies of the United States. To attach those kinds of labels is reckless at best."

Berenson's biography says he worked for Bush on the "war on terrorism" and the USA Patriot Act. Since leaving the White House, Berenson has written letters to Congress calling for renewal of the Patriot Act and has co-founded a group called Citizens for the Common Defence that advocates a "robust" view of presidential authority. It filed, for instance, an amicus brief before the Supreme Court in the Hamdi case arguing that a U.S. citizen could be detained indefinitely without trial because of the war on terror.

damn those slimey little buggers! :mad:
 
Sinewave whats the name of the band in your sig? :confused:
 
sinewave said:
damn those slimey little buggers! :mad:

It's interesting that when the government came calling Qwest said, where's your letter from the AG? No letter, no info from Qwest.
 
Erundur said:
Sinewave whats the name of the band in your sig? :confused:

the band is "Art Brut". they're a brittish art-punk band.
 
Armand Z Trip said:
It's interesting that when the government came calling Qwest said, where's your letter from the AG? No letter, no info from Qwest.

yeah, qwest's lawyer claimed it violated the telecommunications act. i guess that's what happens when you don't have a bush supporter as your lawyer. :)
 
Addendum said:
Yes, the myth of government efficency
No actually you're confusing terms. Its the myth of Government effectiveness not efficiency. Government is highly efficient, a lot of people claim this is a problem though because efficiency tends to stiffle innovation. But absolutely Government is efficient.
 
Efficient at building bridges in Alaska that go nowhere
 
Addendum said:
Efficient at building bridges in Alaska that go nowhere
That has nothing to do with efficiency, thats innovation and decision making. Efficiency is doing the job you're assigned to do, like in an assembly line, that is something Government is unmatched at. The DMV for example is a place where everyone has set hours and everyone does their job and ONLY that job. Efficiency is the output/input ratio. Okay lets put it this way. The Government is like an assembly line and corporations are like an artist. With the assembly line you know X will always be produced with little or no variation--look at the budget for example, every year we implement incrimental changes which is an efficient way to change things...however if every year you wanted a totally new budget from scratch you might need someone like an artist who, while he has no guarentee that X while be anywhere near the quality of Y will most certainly be more innovative.
 

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