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New NSA Bill poised to EXPAND Patriot Act

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NSA Bill Performs a Patriot Act
By Ryan Singel| Also by this reporter
15:30 PM Sep, 13, 2006

A bill radically redefining and expanding the government's ability to eavesdrop and search the houses of U.S. citizens without court approval passed a key Senate committee Wednesday, and may be voted on by the full Senate as early as next week.

By a 10-8 vote, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved SB2453, the National Security Surveillance Act (.pdf), which was co-written by committee's chairman Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pennsylvania) in concert with the White House.

The committee also passed two other surveillance measures, including one from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), one of the few senators to be briefed on the National Security Agency program. Feinstein's bill, which Specter co-sponsored before submitting another bill, rebuffs the administration's legal arguments and all but declares the warrantless wiretapping illegal.

In contrast, Specter's bill concedes the government's right to wiretap Americans without warrants, and allows the U.S. Attorney General to authorize, on his own, dragnet surveillance of Americans so long as the stated purpose of the surveillance is to monitor suspected terrorists or spies.

Lisa Graves, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, called the bill "stunning."

"The administration has taken their illegal conduct in wiretapping Americans without court orders, in violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Constitution, and used it as springboard to not only get FISA changed to allow the Terrorist Surveillance Program, but to actually, going forward, not give protections to Americans' privacy rights," Graves said.

Jim Dempsey, the policy director for the more moderate Center for Democracy and Technology, described the bill's passage out of committee as "light years or miles beyond the Patriot Act."

"What started out as Sen. Specter wanting to rein in the president's program has turned on its head and is now not just a legislative ratification of the program, but an expansion of warrantless wiretapping of Americans," Dempsey said. "It would allow the NSA to turn its vacuum cleaners on even domestic phone calls and e-mails of citizens.

"They do all of this in Alice in Wonderland fashion by defining all kinds of categories of surveillance to be not surveillance," said Dempsey.

Specter, who called NSA's warrantless surveillance a "festering sore on our body politic," champions his bill, since it allows, but does nor require, the administration to submit the whole surveillance program to review by a secretive court. Specter says President Bush promised to submit the NSA program to the court, if the bill passes.

The bill also strikes from U.S. law a requirement that all surveillance of suspected spies and terrorists be done in accordance with FISA. But an aide for Specter disputes that this radically changes FISA or the balance of powers: Specter considers this to be an update to FISA that moves the law toward where technology is now, according to the aide, who spoke on background...

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Ugh! I'm so tired of these goddamned privacy invading control freaks in Washington! GTFO of office, you *****ebags! :down

jag
 
hey...everyone....freedoms being encroached upon here!...uh, republicans? Democrats?


nobody?


oh, "Land Of the Closely Watched" it is then.
 
Congress will reject it. No hance in hell this will pass with elections just around the corner and practically everyone fed up with Bush administration's gestapo bull****
 
I dunno. Honestly, I can't wait for the Nov. elections. Time for things to change, big time.
 
Matt said:
Congress will reject it. No hance in hell this will pass with elections just around the corner and practically everyone fed up with Bush administration's gestapo bull****

I've already written my state's congressmen and told them that if this bill passes I will go out of my way to get everyone I know to vote against them. :up:

jag
 
Matt said:
Congress will reject it. No hance in hell this will pass with elections just around the corner and practically everyone fed up with Bush administration's gestapo bull****

Really, it shoudln't have gone through a few years ago but it went through.
 
explain to me again how giving up our freedoms is helping to protect those freedoms from the "ter'rist"? maybe we should add bush and cheney to the list of wanted terrorists...
 
sinewave said:
explain to me again how giving up our freedoms is helping to protect those freedoms from the "ter'rist"? maybe we should add bush and cheney to the list of wanted terrorists...

Well you see they use a bs excuse "if you have nothing to hide then you don't need to worry about". But that should only work on children.
 
America is so afraid of anything,it would expand on doing things first,and asking questions later.
 
Look at the NSA Implanting Backdoors into Intercepted Electronics

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We've known for months that the NSA has penchant for intercepting packages containing commercial electronic equipment to implant backdoors in them. Now, there are images which show what that process looks like.

A new trove of documents, released alongside Glenn Greenwald's book No Place to Hide, show what the NSA does when it gets its hands on products from the likes of Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor, Samsung, Juniper Networks Cisco and Huawei. The document explains what happens within the agency's Tailored Access Operations (TAO) unit:

Here's how it works: shipments of computer network devices (servers, routers, etc,) being delivered to our targets throughout the world are intercepted. Next, they are redirected to a secret location where Tailored Access Operations/Access Operations (AO-S326) employees, with the support of the Remote Operations Center (S321), enable the installation of beacon implants directly into our targets' electronic devices. These devices are then re-packaged and placed back into transit to the original destination. All of this happens with the support of Intelligence Community partners and the technical wizards in TAO.
So simple! The document in fact dates back to June 2010, and was from—of all things—an internal newsletter article by the chief of the NSA's Access and Target Development department. It's also still as depressing as ever.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...de-factory-show-cisco-router-getting-implant/

Funny how they didn't even really try to hide it 4 years ago and it seemed like this thread could use a bump
 
I was going to roll my eyes at how stupid Congress could be, then saw it was from 8 years ago. And then I see why it was bumped and went right back to :whatever:.
 
I was gonna make a hail hydra joke but then I realized it was bumped from 8 years ago.
 
That's the problem, freedom by it's very nature isn't exactly safe. When you try to make freedom completely safe, you eliminate it entirely.

EDIT: Oh. This thread is ancient. Nevermind.
 

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