U.S. imposes sanctions on Iran

[Spider-Bite]

moraldeficiency
But what happens when the Klingons invade Africa?

hmmm.... We invite Belanna Torres over to my place, for some rough Klingon mating rituals.

 

[Kebab gud]

Ummm...no. Saddam brought that upon himself by invading Kuwait and going to war with Iran.

Iraq was verry libral well into the 90's .. it was the people who turned on the US and fell to the more radical teachings..

Fact: in bagdad in 1991 only about 10% of all women wore Hijab, Today its closetoo 100%.. and Burqa was almost unheard off.. but today.. diffrent story

 

[PhotoJones]

Sadly, that is very true.

Is it true, and I'm glad at least someone else can see that.

that's just politics.

Saying "that's just politics" implies that you accept that kind of action. That's disgusting and sad.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Is it true, and I'm glad at least someone else can see that.



Saying "that's just politics" implies that you accept that kind of action. That's disgusting and sad.

I didn't say I accepted it. It's just a realization of reality. What I meant by the statement, was that that kind of behavior is not exclusive to the situatin with Darfur. It's like that for every issue.

 

[jaguarr]

That's the reaction they want, though. They know they've completely dropped the ball for the past several years, and by saying they're going to "impose sanctions", they're just working to get back some approval points. Bush doesn't care. The U.S. government (Democrats included) don't care. It's nothing more than a glorified photo-op.

Anyone fooled into thinking this is going to be the start of a solution is kidding themselves.

jag

 

[Spider-Bite]

Iraq was verry libral well into the 90's .. it was the people who turned on the US and fell to the more radical teachings..

Fact: in bagdad in 1991 only about 10% of all women wore Hijab, Today its closetoo 100%.. and Burqa was almost unheard off.. but today.. diffrent story

It's that freaking Sh.ite majority. They are so freaking backwards. The most reasonable people over there were the Saddam followers. The only reason for that progress in the 90's was that they had a dictator who forced it on them. If it had been a democracy women wouldn't have even been allowed to read.

During Saddam's first 15 years in power the women's literacy rate actually jumped from 5% to 70%. The guy was nuts, but the reality is that what it took.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Is it true, and I'm glad at least someone else can see that.



Saying "that's just politics" implies that you accept that kind of action. That's disgusting and sad.

Yeah, but being disgusted, sad and impotent to do anything about it is also history.

I tried to yell at a rock once to get it to stop being a rock but all that happened was my voice got horse and the rock laughed at me. (Man I should cut back on the acid)

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I came into this thread interested and then realised the subject had NOTHING to do with the title.

 

[Kebab gud]

It's that freaking Sh.ite majority. They are so freaking backwards. The most reasonable people over there were the Saddam followers. The only reason for that progress in the 90's was that they had a dictator who forced it on them. If it had been a democracy women wouldn't have even been allowed to read.

During Saddam's first 15 years in power the women's literacy rate actually jumped from 5% to 70%. The guy was nuts, but the reality is that what it took.

i belive Iraq had the highes educated women of the middel east ever aswell..
that all turned in the 90's when babyes didnt even get their medesines due to sanctions..

Sanctions NEVER! hurt the goverment.. it ALLWAYS affects the sivilians.. and they start hateing the people behind it more then their goverment..
has Sanctions EVER solved anyting?

 

[Spider-Bite]

Yeah, but being disgusted, sad and impotent to do anything about it is also history.

I tried to yell at a rock once to get it to stop being a rock but all that happened was my voice got horse and the rock laughed at me. (Man I should cut back on the acid)

LOL!

 

[PhotoJones]

I didn't say I accepted it. It's just a realization of reality. What I meant by the statement, was that that kind of behavior is not exclusive to the situatin with Darfur. It's like that for every issue.

So why not do something about it?

 

[Spider-Bite]

So why not do something about it?

I plan to live a life off political involvement.

 

[PhotoJones]

I plan to live a life off political involvement.

Then why even have an opinion?

 

[moraldeficiency]

Then why even have an opinion?

I think he meant of not off. I guessing this by his world peace iniative link.

 

[Spider-Bite]

yeah that's what I meant. I accidentally hit the "f" twice. I'm a fast typer, and I've had this crappy keyboard for the last few months.

It irritates the hell out of me.

 

[moraldeficiency]

I'm curious, Photo and Spider, what are your ideas of how to effectively change things for the better?

I'm not trying to be snide or a wise-ass (though I know that's how I always come across) I'm honestly curious.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I'm curious, Photo and Spider, what are your ideas of how to effectively change things for the better?

I'm not trying to be snide or a wise-ass (though I know that's how I always come across) I'm honestly curious.

Not sure where to begin with that statement.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Not sure where to begin with that statement.

Nutshell simple answers. I'm always curious if people have something better than protest, deride, humiliate and make an ass out of themselves as a way of affecting political change.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Nutshell simple answers. I'm always curious if people have something better than protest, deride, humiliate and make an ass out of themselves as a way of affecting political change.

well I have ideas that are very ambitious. for starters you can check this out.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=267297

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=267755

and here is my solution to the energy crisis. Once we acheived that, I believe the thing to do is get out of the middle east all together untill they are ready to work with us, on the first link, or at least behave in a civilized manner. I don't think one nation can modernize another region over night the way we are trying.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...n=3182BBEA-6D90-4259-B8F2AD46D27ADF9F96905104

I sent it to hundreds of people on Hillary's friend list, asking them to send her a message saying they support it, but nothing happened, other than a mention in the Wall Street Journal and mention on some website run by some activist group.

 

[PhotoJones]

yeah that's what I meant. I accidentally hit the "f" twice. I'm a fast typer, and I've had this crappy keyboard for the last few months.

It irritates the hell out of me.

Ah, I got you now.

I'm curious, Photo and Spider, what are your ideas of how to effectively change things for the better?

I'm not trying to be snide or a wise-ass (though I know that's how I always come across) I'm honestly curious.

We should have learned something from the genocide of WWII. The longer we wait to do anything (if we do anything at all), the worse things become. This genocide in Darfur has been going on for at least 4 years now.

What we should have done is not let it get this far. We didn't, and hindsight should be 20/20. It's not. Instead we're going to "impose sanctions". That's disgraceful.

Now, you asked what I think we should do. I'm not a military expert, so specifics are going to be a little on the wayside, here. I think we should end the conflict, plain and simple. How you go about doing, that is not for me to decide. But the Sudanese government and the Janjaweed need to be dealt with.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Iraq was verry libral well into the 90's .. it was the people who turned on the US and fell to the more radical teachings..

Fact: in bagdad in 1991 only about 10% of all women wore Hijab, Today its closetoo 100%.. and Burqa was almost unheard off.. but today.. diffrent story

Yeah, but if Saddam didn't go war with Iran or didn't invade Kuwait, his country's economy wouldn't have been destroyed by the sanctions imposed upon him or ruined it's infrastructure.

And the people weren't liberal, Saddam forced it upon them.

 

[moraldeficiency]

well I have ideas that are very ambitious. for starters you can check this out.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=267297

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=267755

and here is my solution to the energy crisis. Once we acheived that, I believe the thing to do is get out of the middle east all together untill they are ready to work with us, on the first link, or at least behave in a civilized manner. I don't think one nation can modernize another region over night the way we are trying.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...n=3182BBEA-6D90-4259-B8F2AD46D27ADF9F96905104

I sent it to hundreds of people on Hillary's friend list, asking them to send her a message saying they support it, but nothing happened, other than a mention in the Wall Street Journal and mention on some website run by some activist group.

I like the genetic mutant plant idea, but then I've also seen attack of the killer tomatoes so it could go either way.

The education idea is too government for my taste but I agree if you want change you need to start with education.

Couldn't see the third part. I don't have myspace (I thought that was only for losers and pedofiles?)

Nice thoughts all, seem to be focused on technology to save our asses though.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Ah, I got you now.



We should have learned something from the genocide of WWII. The longer we wait to do anything (if we do anything at all), the worse things become. This genocide in Darfur has been going on for at least 4 years now.

What we should have done is not let it get this far. We didn't, and hindsight should be 20/20. It's not. Instead we're going to "impose sanctions". That's disgraceful.

Now, you asked what I think we should do. I'm not a military expert, so specifics are going to be a little on the wayside, here. I think we should end the conflict, plain and simple. How you go about doing, that is not for me to decide. But the Sudanese government and the Janjaweed need to be dealt with.

I agree, not to sound all super imperialistic and agressive but there are plenty of places where a good invasion and ass-kicking could solve a whole lot of problems overnight. Differences aside, a bullet sounds the same in any language, and that's the only way to get through to some of these monsters.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I like the genetic mutant plant idea, but then I've also seen attack of the killer tomatoes so it could go either way.

The education idea is too government for my taste but I agree if you want change you need to start with education.

Couldn't see the third part. I don't have myspace (I thought that was only for losers and pedofiles?)

Nice thoughts all, seem to be focused on technology to save our asses though.

Depends on how you define technology. Technology can't do it all, it can only help when you do other things as well. I dont' consider governmental social programs like AA, which would be necessary for it to work, technology, unless you look at society as one big machine full of working parts, and the sociologists are the engineers who tell you how to fix it.

Phsychology would also be important as well.

 

[PhotoJones]

I agree, not to sound all super imperialistic and agressive but there are plenty of places where a good invasion and ass-kicking could solve a whole lot of problems overnight. Differences aside, a bullet sounds the same in any language, and that's the only way to get through to some of these monsters.

Exactly. And let me say I am not one to condone violent action. In this case, I really do not see any around it. Ending the genocide in Darfur is MUCH more justifiable than anything we're doing in Iraq.