Buzzfeed Polls General Audience On The DCEU

[The Joker]

Yeah because you can't possibly be patronising. Aslong as you don't swear or call people out then of course you're not gonna have the mods on you

The mods don't stand for patronizing behavior either. They don't stand for any kind of behavior that evokes arguments or flame wars. So why has there not been an outbreak of arguments if this is such a terrible way to talk? Why is it always just with the same one or two like you? Because it's your own personal issue that's why.

Yeah on my high horse , Jesus! You bring it up cause you can't let it go for some reason. People have a right to vent if something bothers them. Real people? People are bashing the way people speak to them or treat them, as they have the right to.

Why should I let it go? You can't let this go, and all we're talking about here is movie opinions. With you, you were insulting other people here.

Yes real people. Or do you think we're all robots behind these accounts.

Where did I say it was cool?

"People have a right to vent if something bothers them". That's you validating trolling behavior. But you can't stand the way I say the DCEU movies are terrible.

You couldn't make this up. It's comedy at this stage.

Maybe it's destiny, but I'll keep making my point cause I know I'm right.

There's that comedy again.

 

[BH/HHH]

The mods don't stand for patronizing behavior either. They don't stand for any kind of behavior that evokes arguments or flame wars. So why has there not been an outbreak of arguments if this is such a terrible way to talk? Why is it always just with the same one or two like you? Because it's your own personal issue that's why.

Haha like me? You're constantly in this arguments. You don't like people liking the DC Films that much evident! You must have these issues too.

Why should I let it go? You can't let this go, and all we're talking about here is movie opinions. With you, you were insulting other people here.

Yes real people. Or do you think we're all robots behind these accounts.

It's not a thread on a forum you are a member of so why does it bother you so? Seems it's really hit a nerve with you. You must be spying on it to know what's going on. Oh wait you already denied that before.

I never said anyone was a robot but I doubt the person you are on the forum is not the whole of who you are outside of here.

You think I give a crap what you think of me or would give a crap if you insulted me on a thread on another Forum? I wouldn't give a rats ass tbh. I don't know you or care to outside of here.

"People have a right to vent if something bothers them". That's you validating trolling behavior. But you can't stand the way I say the DCEU movies are terrible.

You couldn't make this up. It's comedy at this stage.

It's a forum about people's issues with the hype. It's not trolling it's perfectly on topic what people want to say about this place on there.

There's that comedy again.

There's that moral high ground you claim I'm on

 

[The Joker]

Haha like me? You're constantly in this arguments. You don't like people liking the DC Films that much evident! You must have these issues too.

You and Manhunter, two die hard DCEU fans, are the only two members I have ever engaged in this whole ridiculous opinions stating argument.

If you "always" see me in arguments like this, then post a few examples if there's so many.

It's not a thread on a forum you are a member of so why does it bother you so? Seems it's really hit a nerve with you. You must be spying on it to know what's going on. Oh wait you already denied that before.

That's like saying it's ok to insult someone because I didn't do it when they were in the same room as me.

Comedy gold. How can you spy on something that is public? Someone from here who is one of your fellow members there PM'ed me and told me that you lot were insulting me and a bunch of other members on your forum, and linked me to it to show me.

I never said anyone was a robot but I doubt the person you are on the forum is not the whole of who you are outside of here.

Well of course not. That's true for everyone. You're a husband and father aren't you? Two things you don't show when you post here.

You think I give a crap what you think of me or would give a crap if you insulted me on a thread on another Forum? I wouldn't give a rats ass tbh. I don't know you or care to outside of here.

Who are you trying to kid? You have spent pages arguing just because you don't like what I say about some MOVIES. If that can upset you, just imagine if I got personal and started insulting you.

It's a forum about people's issues with the hype. It's not trolling it's perfectly on topic what people want to say about this place on there.

People were not discussing forum issues. They were publicly flaming and insulting members and moderators here.

There's that moral high ground you claim I'm on

No, you try to take it. I can take it.

 

[BH/HHH]

You and Manhunter, two die hard DCEU fans, are the only two members I have ever engaged in this whole ridiculous opinions stating argument.

If you "always" see me in arguments like this, then post a few examples if there's so many.

So you have a problem with us cause we're DCEU fans.

As usual the old go find the posts reply . Yawn!

That's like saying it's ok to insult someone because I didn't do it when they were in the same room as me.

Comedy gold. How can you spy on something that is public? Someone from here who is one of your fellow members there PM'ed me and told me that you lot were insulting me and a bunch of other members on your forum, and linked me to it to show me.

So you claim! Go find it now and point out some of the things that have been said about you.

Well of course not. That's true for everyone. You're a husband and father aren't you? Two things you don't show when you post here.

Point been? You're insulting that now?

Who are you trying to kid? You have spent pages arguing just because you don't like what I say about some MOVIES. If that can upset you, just imagine if I got personal and started insulting you.

Go ahead if you like I wouldn't give a ****.

People were not discussing forum issues. They were publicly flaming and insulting members and moderators here.

Oh so you've read the entire thread?

No, you try to take it. I can take it.

 

[Supa]

It's not really that surprising Wonder Woman took all the polls. You can't really deny that Wonder Woman has been the best received out of all the DCEU movies. Even Man of Steel tends to be controversial.

I don't know if that makes the films bad or whatever, but I walked out of Wonder Woman liking Diana a lot more than I walked out of Man of Steel liking Superman.

 

[The Joker]

So you have a problem with us cause we're DCEU fans.

Where the heck did you get that from? Some of the best people here whom I consider forum buddies are DCEU fans.

I couldn't care less if you're a DCEU fan. I point out the fact that you are both die hard DCEU fans, and that's where your issue stems from. You don't like seeing movies you like get criticized.

As usual the old go find the posts reply . Yawn!

Oh how unreasonable of me to ask you to back up your accusations about me.

So you claim! Go find it now and point out some of the things that have been said about you.

Oh come now, why are you acting like you don't know the thread was deleted after you found out that the SHH people knew about it.

Unless you restored it, then please link it here. We'd all love to see it. C. Lee if you're reading you should check it out. Some really choice things were said about you.

Point been? You're insulting that now?

Of course I'm not. You said I don't show my whole person here like I would outside this forum. I said that's true for everyone, and used yourself as an example.

Says the guy who constantly has to chip in to rag on the Dc Films against posts like mine. It's clear you enjoy ragging them. Like I said before you're very clever in the way you post.

Of course I do. You think I would constantly do something I don't enjoy? I love discussing all things about characters I love, even the bad stuff. A Batman discussion is a Batman discussion, whether it's about a great story or movie he was in, or a bad one.

Go ahead if you like I wouldn't give a ****.

Sorry, I don't go for trolling.

Oh so you've read the entire thread?

Of course I did. I read the whole thing. It was a public flame fest.

 

[BH/HHH]

UOh come now, why are you acting like you don't know the thread was deleted after you found out that the SHH people knew about it.

Unless you restored it, then please link it here. We'd all love to see it. C. Lee if you're reading you should check it out. Some really choice things were said about you.

It's not been deleted I can confirm that. Whatever people say over there has nothing to do with this forum. It's people's right to vent.

Of course you love to bring it up so much.

Of course I'm not. You said I don't show my whole person here like I would outside this forum. I said that's true for everyone, and used yourself as an example.

I didn't just say you I said everyone. If people say things about me on another forum where I'm not a member and I saw it. I'd go eh and move on.

Of course I did. I read the whole thing. It was a public flame fest.

If you had you'd know there are valid criticisms of the site as a whole. I'm not gonna act like some people haven't lost there rag and insulted members here but I'm also not gonna pretend that's all the thread is.

 

[The Joker]

It's not been deleted I can confirm that. Whatever people say over there has nothing to do with this forum. It's people's right to vent.

Well share the link here then. You obviously defend this thread as a righteous one that said nothing wrong, so lets see it.

Of course you love to bring it up so much.

Yes, you've really proven that haven't you with all the posts I make about it to everyone.

I didn't just say you I said everyone. If people say things about me on another forum where I'm not a member and I saw it. I'd go eh and move on.

That's you. Not everyone brushes off personal insults so nonchalantly. Though I find that hard to believe that you would given how much energy you invest in just complaining about how people state opinions on a movie. A movie. A non personal thing.

If you had you'd know there are valid criticisms of the site as a whole. I'm not gonna act like some people haven't lost there rag and insulted members here but I'm also not gonna pretend that's all the thread is.

Your definition of what's a valid criticism about here probably doesn't line up with mine. But I ask again please link us to the thread so we can read it if you truly feel there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well share the link here then. You obviously defend this thread as a righteous one that said nothing wrong, so lets see it.

I can't because theres a membership rule. Also if you had read it you'd know the first post did not insult a single member here and that I merely vented issues I had at the time.

Also you'd love me to link to a forum with swearing in so I'd get banned.

Yes, you've really proven that haven't you with all the posts I make about it to everyone.

Yawn!

That's you. Not everyone brushes off personal insults so nonchalantly. Though I find that hard to believe that you would given how much energy you invest in just complaining about how people state opinions on a movie. A movie. A non personal thing.

Your definition of what's a valid criticism about here probably doesn't line up with mine. But I ask again please link us to the thread so we can read it if you truly feel there's nothing wrong with it.

Go join the forum then...

 

[The Joker]

I can't because theres a membership rule. Also if you had read it you'd know the first post did not insult a single member here and that I merely vented issues I had at the time.

What membership rule? I can read any of the threads. I am looking at them right now. And I'm not a member. So link us to it.

Also you'd love me to link to a forum with swearing in so I'd get banned.

Oh please that never crossed my mind. PM me the link then if you're that paranoid.

Yawn!

So no proof? Didn't think so.

Go join the forum then...

I don't need to. I can read your forum and your threads without having to join. I can PM the link to anyone else here who wants to see it.

So PM me the link to the thread please.

 

[BH/HHH]

What membership rule? I can read any of the threads. I am looking at them right now. And I'm not a member. So link us to it.



Oh please that never crossed my mind. PM me the link then if you're that paranoid.



So no proof? Didn't think so.



I don't need to. I can read your forum and your threads without having to join. I can PM the link to anyone else here who wants to see it.

So PM me the link to the thread please.

Membership rules! As in members only!

Here's the first post made there

Spoiler

Hey folks,

im not trying to start anything here but I think we could do with a thread to vent issues with the Hype.

For me personally the site has become a cesspool of negativity most notably in the BvS boards. Now I'm not saying everyone has to like the movie but that's not simply what's happening there.

- Negative users are (basically) beating positive users down.
- Mods are siding with negative users, pulling positive users for 'breaking rules' yet not doing the same (as often) with negative users.
- A contingent have taken over the Box Office thread and negate any positive news story yet backing up negative ones.

I think we need a place to air our grievances about a once great forum that has descended into hell. I truly hope this place takes off with a decent group so we can actually have positive discussions and even critical ones that don't turn into cesspools of hate.

Please vent/discuss any issues here...

Who was insulted in that post?

 

[The Joker]

Membership rules! As in members only!

But it's not membership rules. I am reading it now. Any thread I like.

Here's the first post made there

Who was insulted in that post?

I'm not talking about the first post, I'm talking about the contents of the thread itself. Link me to it and I'll show you and everyone else exactly what I mean.

 

[BH/HHH]

But it's not membership rules. I am reading it now. Any thread I like.

Ever heard of a members only section?

I'm not talking about the first post, I'm talking about the contents of the thread itself. Link me to it and I'll show you and everyone else exactly what I mean.

Irrelevant, my point was when I made the thread no one was insulted by me. You're trying to claim what I did was so wrong because I created a thread. Other types of posts came later and people vented. That's there right but don't act like I started a thread to slag people off cause I didn't and that first post proves it.

 

[The Joker]

Ever heard of a members only section?

Now I wonder why it was moved there and not in the general discussion where everyone could see. What a mystery. Why don't you move it back to the general discussion so we can all see for ourselves.

Irrelevant, my point was when I made the thread no one was insulted by me. You're trying to claim what I did was so wrong because I created a thread. Other types of posts came later and people vented. That's there right but don't act like I started a thread to slag people off cause I didn't and that first post proves it.

No, it's not irrelevant. Because as a moderator not only did you not delete those posts, you didn't reprimand the people who made them.

Saying you didn't start the thread with that intention doesn't vindicate the fact that you stood by and allowed and participated in it turning into that. A good moderator wouldn't have allowed the thread to devolve into that.

 

[BH/HHH]

Now I wonder why it was moved there and not in the general discussion where everyone could see. What a mystery. Why don't you move it back to the general discussion so we can all see for ourselves.

No, it's not irrelevant. Because as a moderator not only did you not delete those posts, you didn't reprimand the people who made them.

Saying you didn't start the thread with that intention doesn't vindicate the fact that you stood by and allowed and participated in it turning into that. A good moderator wouldn't have allowed the thread to devolve into that.

You aren't a member of the forum therefore it's none of your business. Anywa it's a good job you aren't a part of our forum I for one am really glad.

In any case I'm done. Enjoy the rest of your life.

 

[The Joker]

You aren't a member of the forum therefore it's none of your business. Anywa it's a good job you aren't a part of our forum I for one am really glad.

What a cop out. I knew you wouldn't show it. Too much to hide.

In any case I'm done. Enjoy the rest of your life.

Yeah til next time.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yeah cause I'm gonna move a thread so one person can view it. You really wanna see it join up. That's that!

Ignore list at the ready!

 

[The Joker]

Oh I know, it must be a huge bother to move a thread. Clicking a mouse, it takes a lot of effort.

 

[metaphysician]

How is this stating opinion as fact? Do you see every post in this thread ending with an IMO? People don't need to spell out in fifty foot high letters that they are speaking on their own behalf.

Do you want me to dig through your posts and expose your hypocrisy here?

More importantly, judging by both critical response and WOM/legs. . . its actually *is* a fact. I suppose you can argue that "first good movie" and "first movie to be broadly accepted as good" are not the same thing. . .

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I liked Wonder Woman. That is a fact.

 

[Superchan]

Supes and Bats have always killed foes when they're out of options.

To be clear for me personally I don't really mind superman killing as long as it's done properly but in MOS the whole scene with him killing Zod was pathetic IMO. I understood what Goyer and Snyder tried to do but I feel that they failed miserably at it and it seemed very clear to me that Superman had other options at that moment in time.

For that matter, Supes tried to kill Hank Henshaw for besmirching his name, so that's hardly out of character in MOS.

Please stop making stuff up to support your point. Superman did NOT try to kill Henshaw, he smashed his body but he knew that his consciousness would survive. Unless you're talking about a story other than the Reign of the Superman.

Yet I'm still baffled that the most warlike of the three heroes is somehow seen as the bastion of optimism over the other two.

You just said it, the "most warlike of the 3 heroes"! Diana doesn't have a code against killing as far as I know and a warrior amazon (not a superhero) killing to save lives - while rallying her troops behind her - does not necessarily negate her optimistic nature.
Again I wouldn't mind Superman killing Zod if he wasn't portrayed as an emo, whiny, mopey, stupid little b***h for almost 6hrs of film, That's what alot of people have trouble with when it comes to superman in the DCEU, his dark, brooding nature.
As for Punisher...er I mean Batman, well that guy was an outright psycho who wanted to kill the guy who saved the world without even attempting to find about what he's all about.
Batman killing some thugs in the warehouse fight is perfectly fine since he was surrounded but it's not fine when he was mowing down the other half a dozen thugs with his batwing machine guns like he was playing halo.

When people here say they like Wonder Woman, they mean within her movie, not Snyder's Randian nightmare of a crossover movie.

Exactly A wonderwoman movie directed by someone who loves superheroes and was inspired by Donner's original Superman rather than a guy like Snyder who thinks that a lengthy dialogue between the 2 most iconic superheroes is silly.

She was exactly the same character in BvS as she is in Wonder Woman. You either like the DCEU Wondy or you don't. Also, Zack played a big role in the creation of both stories. She is the same character.

Disagree, same character name and same actress but IMO a completely different character. Jenkins showed Diana at her best, in her prime while Snyder (as usual) decided to go for a more jaded portrayal because that's supposedly the "cooler" option for today's audience only to be proven wrong by critics and audience when WW is now clearly outperforming both of Snyder's films.

 

[Marvin]

Because she was presented as a charming and warm individual that wanted to help civilians, while Batman was presented as an angry man with murderous intent.

ironically both of these characters are presented with murderous intent of a particular god like figure. And both of these characters commit a form of manslaughter in order to do so, wonderwoman..alot more so.
Both of these characters acting in what they are certain is the greater good, and both shown to be warm and protective of innocent civilians(see bvs opening) and selfless.

Only difference is of course the preconceptions that actually make one of these horrible and the other great. Strange that the only real way anyone can argue their way around this is by bringing up so called no existent preconceptions about the material. A few posters in particular. No, heroes killing and stuff is fine, cap does it even today and then we have logan...It's only immoral and bad when it looks like it's clashing with a selective preconceived notion that it's not like some books.

For if it was simply judged in and of itself the way people claim it is. Bruce Wayne is a broken paranoid man that teeters on immoral as a based only pushed to the depths of that path here given all the time and loss and betrayal we are implied in this incarnation(not so much the tim burton one). An avenue that would allow for an accurate batman to find himself here at the end of the road. As opposed to say an origin batman.

The reality is superman is the most innocent of the lot. But a shame he isn't "charming" enough to get away with tossing zod down pits or whatever it is. Even when narratively presented in a similar no win context as the source material they are somehow and supposedly combating.

That being said, wonderwoman is being over praised now? This place man.
I still don't get how people are trying to editorialize what is only normal crowd behavior. WW is the new hot thing so people are naturally voting that way. I remember after Antman came out, there were tons of people that had it as their favorite mcu films(james gun maybe even). Or how guardians did that. Even now this new spiderman and it's villain. Make a poll of all the mcu origins and see how many this new sony/marvel spiderman tops. It's how we are.

 

[-Arya-]

ironically both of these characters are presented with murderous intent of a particular god like figure. And both of these characters commit a form of manslaughter in order to do so, wonderwoman..alot more so.
Both of these characters acting in what they are certain is the greater good, and both shown to be warm and protective of innocent civilians(see bvs opening) and selfless.

Only difference is of course the preconceptions that actually make one of these horrible and the other great. Strange that the only real way anyone can argue their way around this is by bringing up so called no existent preconceptions about the material. A few posters in particular. No, heroes killing and stuff is fine, cap does it even today and then we have logan...It's only immoral and bad when it looks like it's clashing with a selective preconceived notion that it's not like some books.

For if it was simply judged in and of itself the way people claim it is. Bruce Wayne is a broken paranoid man that teeters on immoral as a based only pushed to the depths of that path here given all the time and loss and betrayal we are implied in this incarnation(not so much the tim burton one). An avenue that would allow for an accurate batman to find himself here at the end of the road. As opposed to say an origin batman.

The reality is superman is the most innocent of the lot. But a shame he isn't "charming" enough to get away with tossing zod down pits or whatever it is. Even when narratively presented in a similar no win context as the source material they are somehow and supposedly combating.

That being said, wonderwoman is being over praised now? This place man.
I still don't get how people are trying to editorialize what is only normal crowd behavior. WW is the new hot thing so people are naturally voting that way. I remember after Antman came out, there were tons of people that had it as their favorite mcu films(james gun maybe even). Or how guardians did that. Even now this new spiderman and it's villain. Make a poll of all the mcu origins and see how many this new sony/marvel spiderman tops. It's how we are.

You're forgetting the part where Batman used damn machine guns to slaughter those dudes during the chase scene. No gods there. And the warehouse scene where he continued to kill. No gods there either.

 

[Timebomb]

To be clear for me personally I don't really mind superman killing as long as it's done properly but in MOS the whole scene with him killing Zod was pathetic IMO. I understood what Goyer and Snyder tried to do but I feel that they failed miserably at it and it seemed very clear to me that Superman had other options at that moment in time.


Please stop making stuff up to support your point. Superman did NOT try to kill Henshaw, he smashed his body but he knew that his consciousness would survive. Unless you're talking about a story other than the Reign of the Superman.




You just said it, the "most warlike of the 3 heroes"! Diana doesn't have a code against killing as far as I know and a warrior amazon (not a superhero) killing to save lives - while rallying her troops behind her - does not necessarily negate her optimistic nature.
Again I wouldn't mind Superman killing Zod if he wasn't portrayed as an emo, whiny, mopey, stupid little b***h for almost 6hrs of film, That's what alot of people have trouble with when it comes to superman in the DCEU, his dark, brooding nature.
As for Punisher...er I mean Batman, well that guy was an outright psycho who wanted to kill the guy who saved the world without even attempting to find about what he's all about.
Batman killing some thugs in the warehouse fight is perfectly fine since he was surrounded but it's not fine when he was mowing down the other half a dozen thugs with his batwing machine guns like he was playing halo.





Exactly A wonderwoman movie directed by someone who loves superheroes and was inspired by Donner's original Superman rather than a guy like Snyder who thinks that a lengthy dialogue between the 2 most iconic superheroes is silly.




Disagree, same character name and same actress but IMO a completely different character. Jenkins showed Diana at her best, in her prime while Snyder (as usual) decided to go for a more jaded portrayal because that's supposedly the "cooler" option for today's audience only to be proven wrong by critics and audience when WW is now clearly outperforming both of Snyder's films.

I agree with a lot here Superchan except for the Batman part. I like my Batsy with less kill and more skill shall we say.

So let's break it down.
WW is a warrior so killing is in her blood. The difference is she kills when she has to and it's not for fun or sport. I also have never heard of a no kill rule for her. Her character does not hinge on this aspect. Also I do feel that the WW we see in BVS is no like the WW we see in the solo. However there are a lot of years in between those movies sooooo...

Superman is the most powerful hero yet he typically does everything in his power to avoid it. He is also very smart and can typically find an alternative. I don't have an issue with the Zod killing so much it's just it wasn't executed well. The warlord turned to paste is another matter. ( I know, I know, that guy is supposedly alive and well in a resort somewhere. )

Batman on the other hand does not kill. It's part of his code and his being. All of his relationships are affected by this code. Especially Gordon, Joker, and the Bat family including the red hood. You can't have a red hood storyline with murderous Batman.

 

[Marvin]

You're forgetting the part where Batman used damn machine guns to slaughter those dudes during the chase scene. No gods there. And the warehouse scene where he continued to kill. No gods there either.

"And both of these characters commit a form of manslaughter in order to do so.."
I think you missed the part where i was comparing the two, i never said gods had to be present on the scene, I said killing gods was their plan. Bad guys were collateral along the way.

Still i only saw the movie once, did Wondy not kill anyone but ares?

And yes batman used his vehicles guns to kill people that were either trying to kill him or trying to stop him from 'saving the world'. It happens(in super hero movies), it happens in batman movies. Just again, with a narrative impetus: the Batman in BvS is an exhausted, beaten down man, who's lost everything including hope, and while he's still trying to save every life he can (including criminals) he, like WW, finds that he can't always do that without sacrificing some criminal lives. It's accurate cause this wasn't a batman origin movie.

As for the warehouse scene he shot at a vehicle that was shooting at him with a 50plus cal mounted gun giving them ample time to move if they so chose to, if anything that's technically self defense on his part. For the sake of scale, The batwing has gunned down less and with far less on the line.

I'm just often tickled by the idea of a gun toting batman truly raining down on the ware house. The producers went out of their way to show you him not killing and actually doing things the hard way. He could have taken out the lights and killed them all from above inside of 20 seconds. Like you know 'The PUnisher'. Instead it was very much the opposite, only the goons weren't taking turns while holding automatic rifles like some other movie, it was real and desperate and ugly, he killed less people in that exchange then cap or stark or thor or deadpool or logan or blade or any one of the guardians in their respective scenes, yet you people run around acting like he's something approaching a ruthless immoral killer....
I'm not getting into another killing argument, though i seemingly did. It was really the first part i wanted to say.

Say what u will, I'm stepping out.
As for the guy just above. Nolan did just fine without a 'redhood' storyline. Just don't do it. Problem solved. That being said I heard civil war needed about 10 things it didn't end up having, from fans before the fact. Including some actual secret identities here and there. Point being, these are adaptations....or at least they are supposed to be.