Camelot

[ThanosOfTitans]

Guinevere is annoying, but we just see Arthur a lot more.



It's still handled poorly. He should be more like Jim Halpert from The Office, secretly in love with her, obvious to the viewer, but never tell her because she's with someone else. They'd both be a lot more likable that way. Instead, they're both bratty, annoying, stupid, and screwing over a guy who is basically perfect. It'd be a lot better if Leontes and Arthur's roles were switched. You can make him Lancelot and see how his affair with Guinevere slowly leads to Camelot's fall.

: very well said. i just think it's a little strange that the lead of the series...is being developed so poorly. how is anyone supposed to sympathize with someone so bratty and immature...he basically betrays one of his most loyal supporters for some pu**sy? Actually, I was quite turned off from Arthur since the first episode...when we meet him fooling around with a woman his brother is also interested in.

I want the show to do well just so I can see more of Morgan...but Arthur is really off putting.

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think Arthur is being a cool badass when he "pulls the trigger" on a woman who is married....a woman who is married to one of his friends....a woman who is married to one of his friends who saved his life.

The thing is teen angst love can be handled well. It can make audiences root for the star crossed lovers. It's not like this is some alien concept (coughRomeoandJulietcough) in literature or fiction. The problem is this love story is tedious and frustrating because it makes us dislike the protagonists. It is supposed to make us root for them, but they come off as frivolous, weak and stupid. That is not the intention, but reflects either the writing, acting or both is off and it is hurting the show so much I quit watching it several episodes ago.

It just does not work.

There is nothing "Bad ass" about telling a woman how you feel. Where did you get that from? There is all kinds of courage one of those being able to say how you really feel without being afraid of the consequences.Romeo and Juliet is not like this situation Juliet was available so was Romeo. How do you know the intention of the writers isn't to let you see Arthur as a flawed man who isn't like the legend that is portrayed in other media? Just like about the story the lady in the lake they are putting their own twist on the legend.

No, it doesn't make him a *****, but rather a respectable human being.


Arthur's not a teenager, he's in his early 20's. Which back then is more like being in your 30's.

Yeah it does, you can be a "respectable human being" and still tell a woman how you feel without being terrified of the consequences that she won't want any part of you. It's called being a grown up you can have a friendship with a woman while putting all the cards on the table. I have no idea how old Arthur is but the first time in love doesn't change the experience no matter how old you are.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

There is nothing "Bad ass" about telling a woman how you feel. Where did you get that from? There is all kinds of courage one of those being able to say how you really feel without being afraid of the consequences.Romeo and Juliet is not like this situation Juliet was available so was Romeo. How do you know the intention of the writers isn't to let you see Arthur as a flawed man who isn't like the legend that is portrayed in other media? Just like about the story the lady in the lake they are putting their own twist on the legend.



Yeah it does, you can be a "respectable human being" and still tell a woman how you feel without being terrified of the consequences that she won't want any part of you. It's called being a grown up you can have a friendship with a woman while putting all the cards on the table. I have no idea how old Arthur is but the first time in love doesn't change the experience no matter how old you are.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that he is indulging his impulsive and illogical feelings for a woman...even at the expense of betraying the very man who saved his life and who trusts him.

It also makes Arthur quite the hypocrite...he preaches of justice and how he is acting for the common good of the people...but behind closed doors...he is pretty much taking what he wants regardless if it's forbidden, malicious and dishonorable.

Arthur is no better than Morgan...though Morgan is pretty bad ass. lol

I can see viewers being turned off by Camelot...mostly, because of how its main protagonist is being developed. I really dislike the guy...

 

[Raiden]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that he is indulging his impulsive and illogical feelings for a woman...even at the expense of betraying the very man who saved his life and who trusts him.

It also makes Arthur quite the hypocrite...he preaches of justice and how he is acting for the common good of the people...but behind closed doors...he is pretty much taking what he wants regardless if it's forbidden, malicious and dishonorable.

Arthur is no better than Morgan...though Morgan is pretty bad ass. lol

I can see viewers being turned off by Camelot...mostly, because of how its main protagonist is being developed. I really dislike the guy...

I think it's interesting to see Camelot having the main protagonist to be a young, immature king who does deeds considered to be dishonorable, whereas in Game of Thrones their main protagnoist Ned Stark is man who is defined by his committment to duty and honor. These two couldn't be more different.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I think it's interesting to see Camelot having the main protagonist to be a young, immature king who does deeds considered to be dishonorable, whereas in Game of Thrones their main protagnoist Ned Stark is man who is defined by his committment to duty and honor. These two couldn't be more different.

Sure, it's different but that doesn't mean it's necessarily executed very well...you make a valid point, but Arthur just comes off as very unlikeable. It really is quite unbearable at times.

I have no problem with Arthur being young and immature and making mistakes...but there should be a way he can be these things at the moment and still be a likable character.

For example...Morgan is obviously the major antagonist at the moment, but her character is simply amazing. Well acted, well developed and pretty likable...even though it's obvious she is the "bad guy." lol I'd be pretty happy to see her take Arthur out...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah it does, you can be a "respectable human being" and still tell a woman how you feel without being terrified of the consequences that she won't want any part of you. It's called being a grown up you can have a friendship with a woman while putting all the cards on the table. I have no idea how old Arthur is but the first time in love doesn't change the experience no matter how old you are.

Arthur didn't just tell Guinevere he loved her. He pretty much forced her to sleep with him days before her wedding, demanded she choose between Leontes and him after it, took out his frustration on Leontes, and will likely continue to pursue Guinevere. Not to mention his love for her is based off a dream seeing her come out of the ocean naked. It's also annoying that his immaturity is from this, being a whiny, love-struck brat. It'd be more tolerable if it were from making bad choices as king because we know he's in over his head in that regard.

On the other side, you have Guinevere who gives into Arthur's advances despite being engaged (which she clearly regrets). She does reject Arthur but shortly goes back on it as we saw last episode. It just makes her look incredibly weak. And if Lancelot comes along, we're probably going to go through this same thing AGAIN.

They really should have just called this "Morgan & Merlin" because they are the best characters in the show. Eva Green steals every scene and episode. While Merlin is kind of a *****e, I find his portrayal really interesting because he isn't the archetype that inspired Dumbledore and Gandalf. The only reason I continue watching this show is because of those 2 and the promise of seeing more recognizable knights like Lancelot and Bedivere.

 

[DACrowe]

There is nothing "Bad ass" about telling a woman how you feel. Where did you get that from? There is all kinds of courage one of those being able to say how you really feel without being afraid of the consequences.

I agree, but when you wrote off all those who don't act as "*****es," I went to also the biggest generalization for the alternative. Not acting on a feeling for a friend's (a friend who saved Arthur's life in this case) wife is not being a ***** nor is sleeping with your friend's wife courageous. Relationships are more complex than how you defined them in your earlier post was my point.

Romeo and Juliet is not like this situation Juliet was available so was Romeo.

You didn't read/see the end of the play did you? The Houses of Montague and Capulet beg to differ.

How do you know the intention of the writers isn't to let you see Arthur as a flawed man who isn't like the legend that is portrayed in other media? Just like about the story the lady in the lake they are putting their own twist on the legend.

You can make a character flawed and likable. Again see Romeo and Juliet (or any of Shakespeare's tragedies). Just right now the protagonists on other cable shows I love are either murderous gangsters (Boardwalk Empire), cheating alcoholic (ex-)husbands (Mad Men) or lecherous, murderous cardinals who want to bang their sisters (The Borgias).

There's a problem when I like them all more than King Arthur. You can make a character flawed without making them unlikable. You can even make a show centered around a totally unlikable character that is still captivating and full of pathos (The Tudors). Camelot fails miserably at this.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I agree, but when you wrote off all those who don't act as "*****es," I went to also the biggest generalization for the alternative. Not acting on a feeling for a friend's (a friend who saved Arthur's life in this case) wife is not being a ***** nor is sleeping with your friend's wife courageous. Relationships are more complex than how you defined them in your earlier post was my point.



You didn't read/see the end of the play did you? The Houses of Montague and Capulet beg to differ.



You can make a character flawed and likable. Again see Romeo and Juliet (or any of Shakespeare's tragedies). Just right now the protagonists on other cable shows I love are either murderous gangsters (Boardwalk Empire), cheating alcoholic (ex-)husbands (Mad Men) or lecherous, murderous cardinals who want to bang their sisters (The Borgias).

There's a problem when I like them all more than King Arthur. You can make a character flawed without making them unlikable. You can even make a show centered around a totally unlikable character that is still captivating and full of pathos (The Tudors). Camelot fails miserably at this.

Yes, yes, and more yes.

I hope it's not too late to get this series on the right track...I really do want to see more of Morgan and how her character and powers develop.

 

[Paradox1]

You seem to be ignoring the fact that he is indulging his impulsive and illogical feelings for a woman...even at the expense of betraying the very man who saved his life and who trusts him.

It also makes Arthur quite the hypocrite...he preaches of justice and how he is acting for the common good of the people...but behind closed doors...he is pretty much taking what he wants regardless if it's forbidden, malicious and dishonorable.

Arthur is no better than Morgan...though Morgan is pretty bad ass. lol

I can see viewers being turned off by Camelot...mostly, because of how its main protagonist is being developed. I really dislike the guy...

People are hypocrites, they are liars not only to others but to themselves. A lot of people want to do the right thing but they can't because everyone has their vices. For Arthur his is Gwen, Merlin knows that, his mom, and so does Morgan. It is a necessary evil for the direction of the show. Morgan wants to bring down Camelot but Arthur in every other way is incorruptible except this one.

Do not try to speak for "other viewers" because you have no idea what turns them on or off about this show. This is message board is a small sample size and in no way represents the views of the audience at large.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

People are hypocrites, they are liars not only to others but to themselves. A lot of people want to do the right thing but they can't because everyone has their vices. For Arthur his is Gwen, Merlin knows that, his mom, and so does Morgan. It is a necessary evil for the direction of the show. Morgan wants to bring down Camelot but Arthur in every other way is incorruptible except this one.

Do not try to speak for "other viewers" because you have no idea what turns them on or off about this show. This is message board is a small sample size and in no way represents the views of the audience at large.

LOL feisty, i see. i guess time will tell. but thus far, you seem to be in the minority.

it's not difficult to perform a few google searches to see what casual viewers and critics think of Camelot...i'm pretty sure if your opinion represented the majority of the viewing audience...we'd have heard a season 2 announcement...starz seems a little hesitant...i wonder why?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Tonight's episode was...bad. If there weren't just 2 episodes left, I'd stop watching.

 

[Paradox1]

I thought the episode was great I enjoyed the Merlin-Morgan exchange throughout the show. The things Morgan did in that episode was Loki like just all kinds of mischief except that kid , that was horrible.

 

[Catman]

I stopped watching this show a few weeks ago, but I did watch that bathtub scene with Eva Green online.

 

[Paradox1]

Pretty good episode man did Arthur's brother let him have it. I thought he was going to breakdown and cry right there.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, I was glad Kay ripped into him. I'm guessing next week that Leontes will go back to help him, be mortally wounded, then forgive Arthur and tell him to marry Guinevere as he dies in his arms.

I'll watch next week for the finale but I really don't have much interest in next season unless they'll be introducing more familiar knights.

 

[SouLeSS]

Is this show getting renewed?

Cause either way, I couldn't care less. Gotta love how pretty much everyone hates the Guinevere scenes and yet half this episode was her crying and being a completely irrational and insuffurable ****.

The whole Merlin/Morgan parts were, like always, awesome.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, I was glad Kay ripped into him. I'm guessing next week that Leontes will go back to help him, be mortally wounded, then forgive Arthur and tell him to marry Guinevere as he dies in his arms.

That prediction was a slam dunk.

The pacing of this episode was a little off. The beginning was slow since it was mostly Arthur fighting alone for the first 30 min. After that it bounced around a bit too much. I didn't think Igraine being killed off was really necessary.

It seemed that they concluded enough plots that the show could end if it isn't picked up, but still left enough open in case it does (the formation of the round table, Arthur and Guinevere, Mordred).

Overall, it gave me hope that if it does get picked up, it could be better than this season, especially if they introduce more knights from the stories.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

That prediction was a slam dunk.

The pacing of this episode was a little off. The beginning was slow since it was mostly Arthur fighting alone for the first 30 min. After that it bounced around a bit too much. I didn't think Igraine being killed off was really necessary.

It seemed that they concluded enough plots that the show could end if it isn't picked up, but still left enough open in case it does (the formation of the round table, Arthur and Guinevere, Mordred).

Overall, it gave me hope that if it does get picked up, it could be better than this season, especially if they introduce more knights from the stories.

Leontes' death is so predictable and poorly executed. Same with Igraine. Glad the stupid ass Nun is dead. Ugh...I had no idea the Nun would last this long. Good riddance.

Merlin's decision is completely surprising and so disappointing.

The focus on Arthur's battle I could do without, but glad he finally sees Morgan for who she is...the ending of this episode really got me excited...it made up for all of the bad.

 

[FVD]

Oh the Nun was annoying as hell. So glad she's gone. Was surprised over Igraine getting killed off though. A little further tragedy on Morgan's part learning the truth about her father wanting her dead too.

Sad about Leontes and yes, predictable as was Morgan posing as Guinevere. I wonder if they'll go into the future of Camelot with older actors as Arthur and Guinevere around the time Mordred comes of age. Would be a shame methinks because Tamsin Egerton is such a looker no matter how annoying people may think of her!

And the foundation layings of the Round Table was a nice touch too.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Oh the Nun was annoying as hell. So glad she's gone. Was surprised over Igraine getting killed off though. A little further tragedy on Morgan's part learning the truth about her father wanting her dead too.

Sad about Leontes and yes, predictable as was Morgan posing as Guinevere. I wonder if they'll go into the future of Camelot with older actors as Arthur and Guinevere around the time Mordred comes of age. Would be a shame methinks because Tamsin Egerton is such a looker no matter how annoying people may think of her!

And the foundation layings of the Round Table was a nice touch too.

Really? I was totally surprised by Morgan posing as Guinevere...for some reason, I did not see it coming. It was kind of annoying/frustrating that Arthur was still willing to sleep with Guinevere right after Leontes' death...the writers are doing Arthur no favors.

For me, Arthur, Guinevere and the Nun are my least favorite characters this season...very poorly developed and executed. The project has a lot of potential despite its flaws....here is hoping for a Season 2.

 

[Flare]

Well that ending definitely shocked me...

I was sad to see Igraine killed. As someone already said, it just felt unnecessary. Doesn't it seem like Arthur and Merlin let Morgan off the hook kind of easy? I was also kind of sad to see the Nun meet her end. Her and Morgan formed the perfect evil duo, both geniuses in false piety.

The first part of the episode was almost comical at times, with Arthur doing his best Kevin McAllister (Home Alone) impression. I actually liked it though. And I do like this Arthur, and am interested to see how he progresses as a character if the show is renewed.

Did they ever explain what was up with the mysterious black wolf? I must say that I love the way they portrayed magic on the show. I hope to see Morgan dabbling even further into the dark arts.

Overall, I enjoyed the first season quite a bit. Season MVP? I'd say Morgan (my angel of the night...). What a great character. Merlin was excellent as well. Hopefully, season two cometh...

 

[Spidey-Bat]

The black dog only appeared twice, once to Morgan in one of the first few episodes. And again to Leontes (I think in the episode when Guinevere's father died and Kay went to get the books). I thought it'd show up when Morgan was at the nun's grave.

 

[Paradox1]

You know when you think Morgan can't stoop any further into evil she goes a little further. The depth of her evil could fill the Mariana Trench what she did to Arthur is unforgivable, killing his father,mother, and tricking him to sleep with her. I didn't see it coming I actually thought Gwen really needed the comfort. Leo dying predictable , Igrianne predictable, nun not so much I actually thought she was gonna make a beeline to the exit when Morgan was being exposed. She wasn't Morgans real mother but she was damn close.

 

[FVD]

Really? I was totally surprised by Morgan posing as Guinevere...for some reason, I did not see it coming. It was kind of annoying/frustrating that Arthur was still willing to sleep with Guinevere right after Leontes' death...the writers are doing Arthur no favors.

For me, Arthur, Guinevere and the Nun are my least favorite characters this season...very poorly developed and executed. The project has a lot of potential despite its flaws....here is hoping for a Season 2.

Well the only reason I saw the Morgan posing as Guinevere thing coming was the fact that she needs to give birth to Mordred before her demise. I could see Morgan lasting another Season I'm sure, should the show be renewed. Had I not known the fact that Arthur and Morgan are the parents of Mordred then what I saw yesterday I too would have been in utter shock!

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

Well the only reason I saw the Morgan posing as Guinevere thing coming was the fact that she needs to give birth to Mordred before her demise. I could see Morgan lasting another Season I'm sure, should the show be renewed. Had I not known the fact that Arthur and Morgan are the parents of Mordred then what I saw yesterday I too would have been in utter shock!

That's fair. I kind of dismissed it, because I figured this interpretation would have Merlin being the father (considering Morgan and Merlin did the hanky panky too).

I wonder how many men Morgan will sleep with next season? lol She has been with 3 men (possibly 4) in season 1 already. I liker her style.