Transformers Can the Allspark ... (spoiler discussion!)

[mMark]

Spoiler

Can the allspark self-generate? Remeber OP took a left piece of the allspark out of Megs chest at the movie end?

 

[Spidey]

Not entirely out of the realm of possibility, I would think.

 

[mMark]

anyone? any ideas?

 

[Nathan]

Apparently not. But to be honest, I'm kinda suprised that an all powerful item like the Allspark could be destroyed, by being united with a puny spark of a Transformer, in the first place.

 

[mMark]

Apparently not. But to be honest, I'm kinda suprised that an all powerful item like the Allspark could be destroyed, by being united with a puny spark of a Transformer, in the first place.

maybe that's the weakness of the All Spark? don't know

but one thing for sure, I bet Michael Bay's team is working hard trying to figure that out as well (what the hell is the all spark??) LOL t:

 

[Nathan]

Well, we know the Allspark can give other machines life. That would mean that the Allspark would give them a spark on their own. Which would bring us back to my previous point. If the Allspark can give other machines the gift of Spark, why would it be destroyed by uniting with another Spark?

IMO the Allspark should just have been raw power, too much for any Transformer to take. But the Allspark itself should've been unharmed. Besides, how would the Transformers know that the Cube could be destroyed if it's united with another Spark? It's not like they ever had the chance to try it out. Anyway, I just think Bay & Co. ****ed up.

 

[mMark]

Well, we know the Allspark can give other machines life. That would mean that the Allspark would give them a spark on their own. Which would bring us back to my previous point. If the Allspark can give other machines the gift of Spark, why would it be destroyed by uniting with another Spark?

IMO the Allspark should just have been raw power, too much for any Transformer to take. But the Allspark itself should've been unharmed. Besides, how would the Transformers know that the Cube could be destroyed if it's united with another Spark? It's not like they ever had the chance to try it out. Anyway, I just think Bay & Co. ****ed up.

wow, major plot hole there

But I guess the only way Bay's gonna deal with it is: "Let the mystery be mystery". You know, like it's what Optimus heard from the very first autobot on cybertron, how he knows that, Optimus never know. That's the easiest way to deal with it I guess.

In addition this ultimate question of all spark, I care more about how the stroy can continue in the sequel. You know? If the All spark is destroied now, what are we going to be busy doing in the sequel?

 

[Wolverini]

Two beings cannot live in one body. The other just has to go.

Remember Beast Wars? Where Primal attempted to temporaraly fuse his Spark with Prime's? That was a big risk they took right there. The raw power of the Matrix could've ripped Primal appart! But that didnt happen because he's the good guy lol.

Same goes for the Allspark. Raw power + the power that makes a Transformer work ( its Spark ) dont go well together.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Nathan]

Well, it's kinda different in this case. Those weren't simply 2 individual Sparks being united. It was the Lifeforce of the Transformers, an all powerful Artifact of unknown origin, that could give life to any machine.

How could something with so much raw power be destroyed by something such insignificant as another Transformer's Spark?

 

[Wolverini]

Without a Spark , there is NO Transformer. A Spark concists of RAW power just like the Allspark. Yet , the Allspark gives life to every eletronical device around and can take it away just as easily.

The Allspark tried to fuse with Megatrons Spark ... but the energy coming of the Allspark was just to much. It disintegrated in Megatron and destroyed him and itself in the process.

 

[Nathan]

Without a Spark , there is NO Transformer. A Spark concists of RAW power just like the Allspark.

I really have my doubts that the power of a Transformer's Spark could be equivalent to the raw power of the Allspark.

Anyway, even if that were the case, there's still the question how exactly Prime and the other Autobots knew that uniting them could possibly destroy the Allspark. That thing has existed aeons for a reason. It's kinda lame when you think about the fact that any suicidal run-of-the-mill could destroy the Allspark simply by shoving it into his chest.

 

[Marvin]

1. u don't know how it all works..so before u go crying fallacy, try getting some facts

-if there is even one explaination ("theory") that makes sense then ur "theory" on why it's a plot hole are moot...

-things don't have to be explained to us in depth (origin of the allspark for example)
there just have to be window of rationality open

for example
-how much power exists in a spark?
-perhaps the polarities of the spark and all spark cancel each other

-lastly..and it's a hinty one

perhaps the energy of said spark when exposed to the same said energy that created it (in raw allspark form), simply attracts and consumes the raw energy until the energy in the allspark is depleted...very much like a polarized energy siphon...(gigabyte in "Reboot")
spoiler
causing Megabyte to become the all powerful esque Galvatron in a later installment..
cause u know he's not dead


just a theory

 

[Riddick2009]

Maybe who ever created the All Spark in the first place or what created it, figured someone would try to use it like that and become some great powerful enity. It's like a failsafe, if someone tries to use it like that it self terminates. Who really can tell. It honestly could be self healing though considering it's like a god creation.

 

[TNC9852002]

Heh...It could be a cheap way for Optimus to get more Autobots on his squad...

-TNC

 

[Grievous]

Spoiler

Can the allspark self-generate? Remeber OP took a left piece of the allspark out of Megs chest at the movie end?

I think he did that just to make sure no Decepticons could get any power from it.

 

[nosebleed.]

I miss this:

Spoiler

 

[icekid]

It is very well possible
When bumblebeen shrinks it smaller cubes form,so maybe the allspark is jst a collection of smaller cubes,so maybe it can regain size from the remaining cubes

Far fetched,i know,i think too much

But i prefer the allspark stay destroyed,it would gget irritating to ahve the decepticons chase the allspark for the entire trilogy,mayube for a way to create a new allspark from the same way the original was founded,but not the same one,over and over and over....ugh

 

[Nathan]

I'm glad too that it's destroyed. I don't want to see any Mountain Dew Transformers in the sequel.

 

[Boiiinng]

Wasn't there something in the original script that described Megatron eating sparks? If there was a scene that showed Megs eating some sparks on Cybertron or even eating Jazz's spark after stomping him and it making him a little bigger and stronger a la Hulk, then it would be rational to think that the All Spark would overload, because Megs would have had too many sparks to begin with.

 

[Nathan]

Please, don't bring that Spark eating stuff back. I'm glad they didn't use it in a Movie.

 

[CFlash]

Now that the AllSpark is destroyed... good riddance. I hope the Decepticons turn to harnessing Earth's living energy for that purpose. But to do that Bay needs to be removed... because I don't think he'd go for that somewhat socially relevant premise.

 

[GhostPoet]

I think there's big significance to why a piece of the Allspark was taken out of Megatron. It very well could be the answer to bringing Cybertron "back to life"
and maybe that's going to be the plotpoint for the next film...bringing the planet back.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Spoiler

Can the allspark self-generate? Remeber OP took a left piece of the allspark out of Megs chest at the movie end?

Didn't he crumble it in his hand?

 

[The Caped Knight]

Didn't he crumble it in his hand?

No (At least we didn't see it happen on screen .)

 

[Spidey-Bat]

He grabbed it and had it in his palm and made a fist with his hand. I assumed it would have broken.