Gotham Can this REALLY work?

[The Guard]

Seem to care? That doesn't sound very exciting.

Don't know what to tell you. I don't require exciting demonstrations of how much everyone else cares about a character on a regular basis.

the fans aren't clamoring for more Barbara/Jim drama or wishing for more about Gordon's military career. There aren't entire threads about people excited about foreshadowing Gordon's leadership role as Commissioner

They don't need to clamor for more Barbara/Jim drama, as there's been plenty.

They don't need info about Jim's military career, as we're like 5-6 episodes in. We're still getting to know Jim as a cop.

As for the "thread" thing...there aren't entire threads about anything, really, other than the basics.

Seems like kind of a silly complaint to have.

Even if I take your vague idea (feel free to tell me what more is) that can't happen in the span of this series.

Bruce Wayne's training is complex and doesn't all take place at the age of 13 to 15 or 13 to 17. That's the point(success and failures)(ups and downs). It should be a slow process that's not seen, only glimpsed and flashbacked to. Not something that can be embodied in a kid. To believe that they can actually show any of us anything but over-glorified teases that will leave them
unsatisfied.

1. Read a comic book. I don't have time to point out all the disciplines Bruce mastered before becoming Batman.

2. Where is it written that this show will all take place at that age?

3. I said "training and learning process". Not just "training". In other words, character development.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They don't need to clamor for more Barbara/Jim drama, as there's been plenty.

They don't need info about Jim's military career, as we're like 5-6 episodes in. We're still getting to know Jim as a cop.

As for the "thread" thing...there aren't entire threads about anything, really, other than the basics.

There's a "WILL BRUCE BECOME BATMAN IN THIS SHOW" thread.

There's an entire thread about questioning this not working so that's something.

1. Read a comic book. I don't have time to point out all the disciplines Bruce mastered before becoming Batman.

2. Where is it written that this show will all take place at that age?

3. I said "training and learning process". Not just "training". In other words, character development.

1.I have.That's why I know this isn't meant to be shown in great detail.

2. It's Gordon's show and we don't need to jump 10 years for him. It shouldn't revolve around Bruce's development. Thanks for making my point.

3. Training and Learning is fine. That's my point. The show is called Gotham. Only part of Bruce's learning and training takes place in Gotham. The show will always be incomplete. It's just teasing something that can't be shown. This show isn't supposed to be about Bruce.






This is the same problem Smallville failed to realize. The show isn't supposed to be about Superman. Once he outgrew Smallville the show was supposed to end. It just became a Superman show without Superman. This is what the show is already doing.

 

[The Guard]

You cling to this "It's Gordon's show" thing, as if that precludes a time jump.

A time jump would allow us to see Gordon at different points in his career, so it could absolutely serve Gordon as a character while serving Bruce as one at the same time, and multiple characters, really.

So because something isn't already shown in great detail in the comics, it can't and shouldn't be mined for story potential?

SMALLVILLE was a Superman show without Superman long before he left Smallville.

If Bruce leaves Gotham and the show continues to follow him, I would think his ties and desire to save Gotham would be sufficient to keep him on a show called GOTHAM.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

You cling to this "It's Gordon's show" thing, as if that precludes a time jump.

A time jump would allow us to see Gordon at different points in his career, so it could absolutely serve Gordon as a character while serving Bruce as one at the same time, and multiple characters, really.

The problem with jumping ahead in Gordon's career is that everyone else in Gotham isn't supposed to jump ahead at the same pace. If Penguin isn't supposed to be THE PENGUIN until Bruce returns then the time jumps serve no purpose. They're all just circling the drain.

So because something isn't already shown in great detail in the comics, it can't and shouldn't be mined for story potential?

No. I'm saying the mystery of Batman isn't just in what is shown. It's also in what isn't shown.

SMALLVILLE was a Superman show without Superman long before he left Smallville.

If Bruce leaves Gotham and the show continues to follow him, I would think his ties and desire to save Gotham would be sufficient to keep him on a show called GOTHAM.

Smallville was about a teenager named Clark Kent living in Smallville and developing. Then it became about a superhero living in Metropolis with a girlfriend named Lois Lane.

Not really, Gordon is the only tie between every character in the show. Bruce leaving means he's not in contact with the main character. Now it's essentially just waiting for Batman to return to Gotham.

 

[Naked Shia]

This show already found its own voice. It has an identity of its own. It's not CS: Gotham, like it could have been. It has some great settings, a great cast, and it's not afraid to not be a batman show, while still using the legacy.

 

[The Guard]

The problem with jumping ahead in Gordon's career is that everyone else in Gotham isn't supposed to jump ahead at the same pace. If Penguin isn't supposed to be THE PENGUIN until Bruce returns then the time jumps serve no purpose. They're all just circling the drain.

What does "supposed to" even mean?

Why couldn't they jump ahead to certain points in Gotham's political history?

It's very doable, and just requires a little imagination and structuring of story and characters.

And where is it written that The Penguin isn't supposed to or cannot be The Penguin until Bruce returns?

Circling what drain, exactly?

No. I'm saying the mystery of Batman isn't just in what is shown. It's also in what isn't shown.

Who says the "mystery of Batman" is paramount in a show like this?

Smallville was about a teenager named Clark Kent living in Smallville and developing. Then it became about a superhero living in Metropolis with a girlfriend named Lois Lane.

Splitting hairs. Smallville was about Clark Kent, as a teenager, using his array of superpowers to defeat earlier/different versions of classic Superman foes. It was very much a Superboy/Superman show without Superman, even before he went to Metropolis and met Lois Lane.

Not really, Gordon is the only tie between every character in the show. Bruce leaving means he's not in contact with the main character. Now it's essentially just waiting for Batman to return to Gotham.

But Bruce, as a person, has ties to Gotham and its future. He would presumably be part of Wayne Enterprises, the legacy of the Waynes, and Gotham's future.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

This show has lost a viewer here...

 

[Comics]

This show has lost a viewer here...

Kinda losing interest in watching weekly but I'll probably binge at the end. Trouble with that is a site like this tends to do articles and episode recaps so i might spoil it for myself. Gotham has a great look though. It's own feel/universe like Breaking Bad/Sopranoes etc. Some of the characters will improve over time. Bullock is already a legend for me though. That terrorist line had me in stitches.

Been watching Flash, like it. Tine will tell.

Never watched Arrow, but tried S03E01 after the flash pilot and found it laughable. Definitely giving that a wide birth. It's like a patchwork quilt made up of other cancelled shows. Pity, I gather it's the channel's influence more than anything else.

 

[shauner111]

^I told people that i would give season 2 of Arrow a try after i watched the 10 minute recap of season 1..but i thought the recap of season 1 was so horribly cheesy that i lost interest in moving forward.

I dont think it will ever be my cup of tea anyway because i dont like the character at all, nor the actors in the series, so it will feel like a waste of time.

No interest in watching Flash, especially when the actor doesn't impress me, yet Ezra Miller does. Ill just wait for the film version in the next few years.