Iron Man 2 Can we have a fully powered Iron Man in the final fight this time please?

[R_Hythlodeus]

Look at the final fight between Megatron and Optimus in Transformers, look at the final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in The Matrix, look a the final fight between Terminator and T-1000 in T2, look a the final fight between Hulk and Abomination, and then look at the fight between Iron Man and Iron Monger...which one is the weakest of the five?.....thank you.

That´s easy: the bold one!
That whole movie bored the hell out of me
(And I´m not sure what you are saying: are you suggesting, that michael bay or the wachowski brothers can direct? If so....

 

[T-CLIPSE]

That´s easy: the bold one!
That whole movie bored the hell out of me

If Tranformers bored you then Iron Man must have literally put you to sleep.

(And I´m not sure what you are saying: are you suggesting, that michael bay or the wachowski brothers can direct? If so....

Direct ACTION yes, that's what I'm saying, and the action in those guys films runs circles around that Favreu induced snoozefest called Iron Man any day of the week.

 

[Matt Murdock]

Transformers was garbage. Garbage wrapped in a pretty, shiny, explosive package, but garbage nonetheless.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I have a feeling the end battle will be a fully powered IM & fully powered War Machine versus the villain. It will be freakin' epic.

 

[Figs]

Okay but it didn't go into space it barley left the atmosphere and it's not so much as the "iceing problem" that I'm complaining about so much as the weak unexciting delivery of that scene and the weak little bonk on the head that sends him plummeting back to the ground, and I just think the entire fight sequence from start to finish was ill concieved and poorly choreographed.

I can't believe you don't realize that that was a glaringly obvious part of Stark's smartass attitude. It wasn't like they were pummeling each other rapidly up in the air, where I would then agree Iron Man should have slammed his fist down on Iron Monger's helmet.

It was Stark being a smartass kind of rubbing it in to Stane that he had the edge. The little bonk was part of the humour like he was saying "Ha ha" to Stane about the situation.

Now in the comics Stark probably would have slammed his fist down, but in the film version due to Downey Jr.'s personality they made Stark a bit more of a smartass than he is in the comics. It was because of that that I was fine with that scene.


I'm talking about the overall inability of the director to be able to capture dramatic action like James Cameron, like Jerry Bruckheimer, like Louis Letterier, like Michael Bay, like the Wachowski Bros, real action guys who know better than to have a villain get hit with a clinched fist and a gentle tap on the head. Look at the final fight between Megatron and Optimus in Transformers, look at the final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in The Matrix, look a the final fight between Terminator and T-1000 in T2, look a the final fight between Hulk and Abomination, and then look at the fight between Iron Man and Iron Monger...which one is the weakest of the five?.....thank you.

Favreau needs to watch those other movies and take some action notes.

While I agree that Favreau does have a lot to learn in regards to action scenes(but then again maybe you should blame the scriptwriter for that problem since they were filmed fine. Your complaining more about what goes on as opposed to actual direction) I personally enjoyed the film.

I was really only slightly let down by the end fight, but that was mainly because they had Iron Man in a weakened state not because of what went on.

The rest of the previous action scenes were fine in my eyes. They served their purpose and weren't over done for the sake of blowing more **** up. Take the escape from the cave scene, what more could have been added short of making it an R rated film showing the terrorists getting totally wasted? He did what he needed to do, set fire to his weapons being used by the wrong people and got the hell out of there when he started getting overwhelmed.

The scene where he goes back to the Middle East could have used some more shots of him blowing up his Jericho missles maybe but it was still done well and there wasn't a whole lot more you could have done without making it look like your overdoing it. What did you want out of that scene, more shots of him shooting his repulsors at about 5-10 more guys?

I do understand what your saying even though I don't fully agree that Iron Man had weak action. I myself hope the next film has him go up against Dynamo with full power so we can see an incredibly waste climax hopefully.

I'm sure now that he is used to the suit, since the first film had to spend time showing him make it and learn how to fully work with it the sequel will deliver with more action.

 

[The Guard]

The final battle's dialogue was underwhelming. The action was fantastic.

As much as I'd like to pretend he didn't throw a punch or two...

I can't believe people are whining about the dramatic tension of the final action scene.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

What I want is to see the hero deliver his own bit of butt kicking to the enemy. I usually don't want him to be all powerful compared to the enemy (exception being IM vs terrorists in Gulmira, 'cause that scene was awsome) but I do want to see him get several good hits in to punish the bad guy.

One example of where this sort of thing worked well was the climax in Blade 2 with Blade fighting Nomak.

Nomak was stronger, faster, and more durable than Blade, but during the first few minutes of the battle Blade demonstrated that he was far from helpless against him; charging right at Nomak throwing punches, kicks, and elbows to his face. Nomak eventually started to overpower Blade but Blade put up a good fight despite the odds; he didn't spend the whole fight running.

The Spider-Man 2 fights were great too.

Between the 90s cartoon and the first Sam Raimi movie I've come to expect to see Spider-Man be on the defensive during a fight if not completely getting his butt kicked, so when I saw Spider-Man clocking Doc Ock with punches, backhands and freakin' headbutts during Spider-Man 2, I was like, '@#$% yeah Spider-Man, get'm!'

He wasn't helpless in those scenes like he was in the first movie during the fight against Green Goblin, and I was glad for it!

Iron Man's battle with Iron Monger was pretty good IMO, but it could have been more. I wanted to see Iron Man show what he can really do, and I didn't get it. That's what disappointed me, and I think that's what disappointed other people who otherwise had no problems with the movie.

Let's hope they get it right next go-around.

This just sums up my feelings perfectly, those fights you mentioned are THE cream of the crop (with Blade vs Nomak on top IMO) and yet the hero wasnt weakened in ANY of those fights, they made a damn good account of themselves, yet STILL overcame unbelievable odds. How can people can claim a weakened hero fighting a villain adds tension is beyond me. Seeing a fully powered hero, giving his all, yet slowly realising his all isnt good enough and having the win through luck/fate or whatever contains a MILLION times more tension IMO.

I vividly remember watching the Blade vs Nomak scene in the cinema, and thinking "Holy ****, Blade is giving his all, and still getting his ass kicked, he isnt going to win!" NO cb movie fight has made me think that since, though some have come close. Hopefully IM2 does make me think this.

 

[The IronMan]

I would like to see Tony get his damaged heart fixed so the arc reactor would have to only power the suit.

 

[[A]]

I dont know about anyone else, but the final fight in IM dissapointed me greatly, I liked parts of it, mainly that he used his wits to beat Iron Monger, but the action involved just wasnt interesting enough for me.

So this time, I would like Iron Man to unleash his fully powered armour on whoever the villain is. Also, it could cause more tension, what would be more shockening? A weakened Iron Man being kicked and punched around by a villain, or a FULLY powered Iron Man still being kicked and punched around by a villain?

I agree, I want a full powered Iron Man vs a full powered villain.

^It would add so much more tension to have him fully powered but still getting battered IMO.

gonna be like this: full powered IM vs full powered villain; IM still get his ass kicked; enter War Machine; get his ass kicked too but in the meantime, IM charges batteries again ; IM comes back, beats the villain. end.

 

[nogap87]

Along with a fully powered Iron Man for the final showdown, I would love for Favreu to have it take place in broad daylight. I know it's cheaper to film special effects heavy scenes at night but part of the reason why I liked IM taking on the terrorists in the beginning and middle parts of the first film is because I could clearly see all the crap IM was shooting out of his suit.

 

[powerbomb1411]

This just sums up my feelings perfectly, those fights you mentioned are THE cream of the crop (with Blade vs Nomak on top IMO) and yet the hero wasnt weakened in ANY of those fights, they made a damn good account of themselves, yet STILL overcame unbelievable odds. How can people can claim a weakened hero fighting a villain adds tension is beyond me. Seeing a fully powered hero, giving his all, yet slowly realising his all isnt good enough and having the win through luck/fate or whatever contains a MILLION times more tension IMO.

I vividly remember watching the Blade vs Nomak scene in the cinema, and thinking "Holy ****, Blade is giving his all, and still getting his ass kicked, he isnt going to win!" NO cb movie fight has made me think that since, though some have come close. Hopefully IM2 does make me think this.

And that to me is essentially the EXACT same thing as a powered villain fighting a crippled villain. Hero gets butt kicked, hero wins by stroke of luck.

I don't want the hero winning by luck. He's the hero. He's in yhe fight for a reason. And it's not because of luck. He's there because he has the ability. I want to see an all around even matched fight where the hero wins because of brains or just sheer determination, much like Hulk over Abomination.

 

[hatebox]

I'd like Iron Man II to have great (not merely good) action scenes, period. And longer ones too.

 

[Cosmic]

You guys sound like a bunch of whiny little brats.

 

[[A]]

^ and you just noticed ?

 

[Cosmic]

No, I just felt that it needed to be said.

 

[[A]]

I want to see a scene like in issue 290 or 291 when Tony unleashed his full fire power on a large tank/vehicle and it still kept coming, and Tony saying "Who built that thing? I want to hire them."

just for the fun of it..

 

[Bonovox]

Hello all, this is my first post here, but please don't overlook my opinion because I'm a newb

To echo an earlier post, one of the reasons why I feel we saw a "low-powered" Iron Man at the end of the first movie was to prove that Tony Stark didn't need technology to take on the Iron Monger. Iron Man wasn't Iron Man because of the machinery; he was who he was because of Tony Stark. Stark wound up defeating Iron Monger through his wit, proving that the weaponry he used wasn't all that mattered in the end. I feel that a lot of directors, especially in comic book movies, feel the need to do this, to show us that it isn't the costume or the motifs of the character which make them who they are, but that the actual, real-life person at the center of it all is what defines them.

You saw that a lot with "Spider-Man" and "Batman Begins," just to throw two examples out there.

But now that we have the sentimentality out of the way, I have a feeling that Favreau and co. are going to take this to the next level. We're going to see a lot of personal challenges which aren't confined to the technology of Iron Man (I believe Favreau mentioned Tony's alcoholism and his non-existent relationship with Pepper as personal stuggles Tony himself will encounter), so we won't need to see Iron Man constantly powering down. Take "The Dark Knight," for example: We saw Bruce Wayne learn his physical limits in "Batman Begins," so we saw him battle the emotional in "The Dark Knight." I think we are going to see Iron Man kick some serious ass in "Iron Man II," while Tony Stark is left to deal with some of the more serious issues on his own, separated from Iron Man.

If that makes any sense.

 

[Ryudoz]

I'm talking about the overall inability of the director to be able to capture dramatic action like James Cameron, like Jerry Bruckheimer, like Louis Letterier, like Michael Bay, like the Wachowski Bros, real action guys who know better than to have a villain get hit with a clinched fist and a gentle tap on the head. Look at the final fight between Megatron and Optimus in Transformers, look at the final fight between Neo and Agent Smith in The Matrix, look a the final fight between Terminator and T-1000 in T2, look a the final fight between Hulk and Abomination, and then look at the fight between Iron Man and Iron Monger...which one is the weakest of the five?.....thank you.

Yeah, you mean that fight that Optimus was getting his **** ruined the entire fight and Sam had to come and save the day? Yeah. That was real entertaining.

I'd take the Iron Man fight over that any day. At least Tony got in some good licks on Stane.

 

[Bonovox]

Transformers was garbage. Garbage wrapped in a pretty, shiny, explosive package, but garbage nonetheless.

This I can agree with. Way too many plot holes, moments of slapstick humor, and unnecessary *********ion jokes.

 

[Voorhees]

I completely agree. For the fight in the second film Iron Man needs to be fully powered, it becomes cliche and too repetitive when the same thing continually happens in each film.

 

[T-CLIPSE]

Yeah, you mean that fight that Optimus was getting his **** ruined the entire fight and Sam had to come and save the day?Yeah. That was real entertaining.

Yeah almost as entertaining as Iron Man getting his butt whupped where Pepper had to come in and save the day, you just made a bad comparison dude.

I'd take the Iron Man fight over that any day. At least Tony got in some good licks on Stane.

Yeah that little bonk he unleashed on Stane's head after the "icing problem" was a really "good lick", boy what a dynamic looking powerhouse punch that was.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I just want an aerial battle ala the climactic scene of 'Firefox' featuring Iron Man vs another armoured foe'.

Preferably with both guys at full power bu, hey, I'll take what I can get.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And that to me is essentially the EXACT same thing as a powered villain fighting a crippled villain. Hero gets butt kicked, hero wins by stroke of luck.

I don't want the hero winning by luck. He's the hero. He's in yhe fight for a reason. And it's not because of luck. He's there because he has the ability. I want to see an all around even matched fight where the hero wins because of brains or just sheer determination, much like Hulk over Abomination.

I know what you mean but Abom pummelled Hulk every were in that fight, 90% of the time Abom had Hulk on the back-foot and it took Betty being in danger to get the Hulk angry enough to be able to over-power him.

Hero's dont have to always win through luck, but they should be given the sternest of tests and thats what the likes Blade, Spiderman and Hellboy had to do to win in their movies. Iron Man vs Iron Monger was just one pummelling the other all the through until Iron Man had to get Pepper to help him.

 

[terry78]

Well, like I mentioned, audiences like seeing their hero on the ropes until either some deus ex machina or some outside force makes them gear up enough power to overcome their enemy. I think one good fight was honestly from Beauty and the Beast where he fights Gaston....he had him on the ropes at first since honestly he didn't have anything to live for, but he was obviously 10 times more powerful than Gaston the whole while and was basically stalking his ass during the climax, yet you rooted for him.

 

[powerbomb1411]

Well, like I mentioned, audiences like seeing their hero on the ropes until either some deus ex machina or some outside force makes them gear up enough power to overcome their enemy.

You say that, but I see no backing. Just because a movie has a cliche fight doesn't mean people liked the cliche fight.