Can't Watch This With My Kids

[3 Dev Adam]

No worries. If you can't watch it with your kids, let your kids watch it by themselves. I guess they'll manage the violence & sex better than you.

 

[ragdus]

I think the discussion was over at:

I get it. I just think you're wrong. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for your kids if you don't want them to watch that sort of thing. The show is even rated "TV-14." As in, "if your kid's under fourteen, you might not want them to watch this."

If you sit your kids, who are under 14, in front of a TV to watch a show rated TV-14 and you haven't prescreened it, then anything objectionable that they witness is out of the control of the network and show producers. Every show gives it's rating at the start, and using your cable/satellite box's info menu will tell you this also. They've done all they can do.

 

[RockSP]

you've got Nathan, who pretty much is depicted as what an ideal politician would be like: knows the difference between right and wrong, and jumps from one side to the other depending on whatever is the best solution for any given problem. yes, he has done some pretty questionable stuff, but it's always for the greater good

You must have powers yourself. Futuresight, maybe? So far Nathan is nothing like that...

 

[Mixairian]

I get it. I just think you're wrong. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for your kids if you don't want them to watch that sort of thing. The show is even rated "TV-14." As in, "if your kid's under fourteen, you might not want them to watch this." I'm not saying your a bad parent and I'm not even telling you how you should parent. I'm just saying, don't place blame when there's no blame to place.


Also, I know it was on before nine, but it was a marathon of a show that is usually on nine, on a channel (Sci-Fi) that usually shows rather mature programing during the day.

It's because of The Question, I've not bothered to try to add anything of value to this thread.

He summed it up pretty well.

The others can argue all they want about what's "good parenting", exposure versus censoring, but in the end it's the parents job to regulate what they're kids witness.

Placing blame or responsibility on networks and such is saying: "I'm not a good enough parent by myself, I want you to do part of the job for me." And that is a very dangerous stance to take.

Though I'm curious about one thing. The show had been out a few weeks before celldog sat down with his kids to watch it. I'm under the impression a lot of the hype is what made him decide to sit down and view it with his kids. That having been said, didn't you see all the topics where we've discussed on surprising graphic something was? I mean the words stripper, severed head, eaten brains, autopsy table and date rape were tossed around quite a bit.

 

[The Squirrel]

Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!!

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip.

Then don't. Just watch it with your wife. Or by yourself.

 

[GL1]

I'm sorry, but I really don't agree at all. Heroes is not targeted for little kids. The makers of the show are in no way responsible for someone's kids is that person doesn't want their kids to watch it, or the sort of stuff that's on it. And your watching someone get beaten to deal analogy doesn't really work, because it isn'tthe responsibility of the makers of the TV show. At least, not in this case.

Yes, actually, you do agree. I stated multiple times that the makers of the show are not responsible. Furthermore, an observer of a crime is not "responsible" for that crime, neither are they responsible for reporting it, and they are DEFINITELY not responsible for interfering. We agree that it is not the media's responsibility.

What we disagree on is what that means for parents, and, by extension, for society at large. Take this, just for an example:

They've done all they can do.

"It's not their responsibility" thinking, leads us to turn "They've done all they are required by law to do," into "they've done all they can do." The indifferent parties go from morally exempt to morally positive by, apparently, magic. Incredible stuff here.

To me, at least, it's not about blaming individuals, but it's about recognizing a degenerating pattern falling upon parents who don't realizing how much time parenting requires. And then, stating it on a forum composed of people who generally don't understand how important parenting is and feel that if a parent gets surprised, then they are to blame... or that if a parent feels that their child is too young for drunken sex orgies, then it's a personal problem.

So listening to a song about suicide over and over greatens my chance of committing suicide, even if I was not previously inclined to do so?

Awwww...

The appearance that you think there's a lottery for suicide and that your "chances" increase if you hit some magic number is hilarious. Before I actually respond, I have to verify: do you know the difference between "influence" and "control." If not, I'd rather not waste time trying to explain the concept of influence to someone who does not know the difference.

 

[Silverstein]

I totally agree with you.

It's the parent's resonsibility to screen a show like Heroes first before letting your kids watch it.

The way I see it, any show that airs after 5pm should be screened first if your thinking of letting your kids watch it. That's what I would do.

I started watching Buffy when it was in it's third season ( I was 13 years old then). My parents wouldn't let me watch the show until season 3, once I was 13 they felt it would be okay to watch it...but I would watch it with them, and if an upcoming episode looked or sounded inappropriate or disturbing they wouldn't let me watch it.

Heck, they wouldn't let me watch Angel for a couple of seasons.

The point is, they were responsible about what I was watching...and I was 13!

The original poster's comments bother me because it comes across to me as them letting their children watch primetime shows (it doesn't matter that you were watching a marathon...it's well promoted when the show normally airs, at 9pm! Not a kiddie hour, not a kiddie show.)...then complaining because the content of the episodes were inappropriate for the kids.

It's not the network's fault you let your kids watch a night-time show.

Plus, there are tv ratings for the show (I think they're even listed in the tv guides too, so you can't say you never saw them).

I'm not telling you how to raise your kids, but don't come on here complaining about the contents of a show that you let your kids watch because you didn't pay attention to who the geared audience was!

Word, for word, EXACTLY.

 

[Silverstein]

Can't you read?????????? The marathon started earlier than 9!!!!

So No!!! I didn't have her up at 9!! As a matter of fact, I turn the thing off after it just got ridiculous!

Just curious...you have any small children?? You seem to have it all figured out.

Just curious....do you have a brain? It's called read about it. It's called answers.com, tvguide.com, tv.com, wikipedia.com...You can find out all about a show before you're sweet small children's eyes lay upon it. And PLEASE, stop preaching this crap about having children or not. Obviously having children didn't give you the answers because you were still a dumb ****, and saw a show without knowing about it and had the nerve to get upset with it's content.

No one's judging your parenting...But maybe we should. Why don't you go buy them Resident Evil and then complain about blood, killing and a theme of guns and violence? No! No, see, that couldn't work because if you did by them the game, you'd also want it to be censored for everyone, huh?

Do you let them listen to Howard Stern, never having listened before? And then blame him if the show is vulgar?

Even my professors at school think you're stupid. And they all have "small" children. So by your own standards, I guess they qualify to tell you that, right?

Dumbass.

 

[Silverstein]

And I agree with The Question...Like someone said, it pretty much ended with his posts. I do, however, love how celldog wants to do everything but take responsibility for making a mistake.

You're a parent. But you love comics and heroes, right? So take a tip from spider-man.

With great power, there must also come great responsibility.

 

[Mandi-chan]

And I agree with The Question...Like someone said, it pretty much ended with his posts. I do, however, love how celldog wants to do everything but take responsibility for making a mistake.

You're a parent. But you love comics and heroes, right? So take a tip from spider-man.

With great power, there must also come great responsibility.

Again, I totally agree.

Excellent choice of words!

 

[GL1]

Just curious....do you have a brain? It's called read about it. It's called answers.com, tvguide.com, tv.com, wikipedia.com...You can find out all about a show before you're sweet small children's eyes lay upon it. And PLEASE, stop preaching this crap about having children or not. Obviously having children didn't give you the answers because you were still a dumb ****, and saw a show without knowing about it and had the nerve to get upset with it's content.

No one's judging your parenting...But maybe we should. Why don't you go buy them Resident Evil and then complain about blood, killing and a theme of guns and violence? No! No, see, that couldn't work because if you did by them the game, you'd also want it to be censored for everyone, huh?

Do you let them listen to Howard Stern, never having listened before? And then blame him if the show is vulgar?

Even my professors at school think you're stupid. And they all have "small" children. So by your own standards, I guess they qualify to tell you that, right?

Dumbass.

Impudence.

You insult and then use incorrect analogies. No one wikipedias every show they watch. Typically the "before 9" rule works, this parent finds it suddenly doesn't work and commented on it. Do you wiki everything you watch? Would you be surprised to see a sex scene on at 6PM on network TV? This person was. That's not being stupid, that's being surprised.

We all know the content of Howard Stern and Resident Evil, not because of their ratings, but because we know what they're about. Heroes has no such reputation. For someone to come on this thread and insult a parent who doesn't run to the computer every half hour to see what's coming on is ludicris. And calling anyone who looks away from the TV for the split second they show the rating a "dumbass" is simply rediculous.

See that, I can tell you you're wrong without calling you any names.

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.

 

[Green Lantern]

Impudence.

You insult and then use incorrect analogies. No one wikipedias every show they watch. Typically the "before 9" rule works, this parent finds it suddenly doesn't work and commented on it. Do you wiki everything you watch? Would you be surprised to see a sex scene on at 6PM on network TV? This person was. That's not being stupid, that's being surprised.

We all know the content of Howard Stern and Resident Evil, not because of their ratings, but because we know what they're about. Heroes has no such reputation. For someone to come on this thread and insult a parent who doesn't run to the computer every half hour to see what's coming on is ludicris. And calling anyone who looks away from the TV for the split second they show the rating a "dumbass" is simply rediculous.

See that, I can tell you you're wrong without calling you any names.

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.

If it was rated Y-7 or G yes, I'd be appalled. The fact that it was on a show that is rated TV-14 means that sort of thing is to be expected.

 

[AcidTWister]

They are going to learn it from me....not from the TV or the movies or friends. And ONLY when I (the parent) think they are ready. Why are we throwing all of this gore and sex at them so early??

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?

The thing about friends is this. You either:
don't allow your children to go to other people's houses.
don't allow them to speak to anyone in school, and whenever someone talks to them, to cover their ears.

My mother was extremely overprotective, just like you. And because of that, I learned about certain things from people at school, DURING SCHOOL. In fact, even though I had heard of the subject, I didn't know what it was or what it was for... but turned out the assistant principle's son who just happened to be in my class, hadn't even HEARD of such an act... until some kids from our class did him the pleasure of explaining it to him, in VERY explicit detail.

Then there's porn. Your worst enemy, I imagine. I saw my first one when I hit 10, or so, thanks to the kids across the street who asked me, one day, while playing outside "Hey, you gotta come check out this video I found in my dad's closet." Again, nothing my mother could do about it.

So unless you intend on keeping your kids extremely sheltered by never letting them leave the house, let alone your sight, they will learn about it. And telling them it's wrong, without telling them WHY it's wrong, will only encourage them to see it for themselves when someone else offers. It's simple child psychology, which I happen to be a major in.

 

[Killgore]

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?

So every child that attends public school is socially adept? That's quite an assumption. I went to public school and knew many socially akward kids, and I know dozens of home school kids who are quite social.

 

[The Question]

The Question, as usual, makes excellent points, but he doesn't deal with the problem. He simply says "Parent's fault, not my responsibility," and continues on his merry way. I already illustrated the problem with that.

There is no problem with that. Because it isn't anyone's fault, and especially not the makers of the TV show. They want to make the show they want to makre. They don't market it towards little kids, and they have the Y-14 warning so parents will know that they might not want their kids to see it. It is the responsibility of the parent to make sure that their kids don't see things they don't want them to see.

 

[Silverstein]

GL1, I'm not saying he's an idiot for protecting his children or whatever. I'm saying he's an idiot for not taking responsibility. And to answer your question, YES.

Yes, I would go on the internet and research what the show is about for EVERY show, if I was trying to be over protective of someone. Hell I do that with my mom sometimes. We have tv time together, and she doesn't like cursing and over-violent things. So I try to find action shows and stuff that we both would like. While making sure that there's nothing too extreme. She likes Inuyasha. Guess what, I saw over 150 episodes before I even showed her the series. With Naruto, I was up to episode 33 when I showed it to her.


GL1, it's common sense. If a show is on a marathon, then that means you can watch the marathon by YOURSELF to get a feel for the show and then come back, and watch it with your kids on the regular timing.

Celldog doesn't have to watch it with his kids. That's fine. And like I said, kudos to him for making the parent decision to turn the chanel. Whatever. BUT, the fact is that it's not the channel's fault. He has still not admitted that. It's not the show's fault.

 

[ragdus]

So every child that attends public school is socially adept? That's quite an assumption. I went to public school and knew many socially akward kids, and I know dozens of home school kids who are quite social.

Way to twist his words. If you can show me where he actually said that was the case I'll PayPal you $50.

What he did say was that not going to public schools ruins any chance of learning social skills, not that it GUARANTEES them those skills.

I don't agree with the assertion homeschoolers lack social adeptness, but I also disagree with your severe twisting of what he was explicitly stating.

 

[Killgore]

How, exactly, do you plan on keeping them from learning it from their friends? Do you intend on keeping them homeschooled, ruining any chance they have at learning social skills? Do you intend on allowing them to go to school, where they WILL learn about it (they teach it in the fifth grade last I knew, and that was nearly 20 years ago) from the teachers at the very least?

The thing about friends is this. You either:
don't allow your children to go to other people's houses.
don't allow them to speak to anyone in school, and whenever someone talks to them, to cover their ears.

My mother was extremely overprotective, just like you. And because of that, I learned about certain things from people at school, DURING SCHOOL. In fact, even though I had heard of the subject, I didn't know what it was or what it was for... but turned out the assistant principle's son who just happened to be in my class, hadn't even HEARD of such an act... until some kids from our class did him the pleasure of explaining it to him, in VERY explicit detail.

Then there's porn. Your worst enemy, I imagine. I saw my first one when I hit 10, or so, thanks to the kids across the street who asked me, one day, while playing outside "Hey, you gotta come check out this video I found in my dad's closet." Again, nothing my mother could do about it.

So unless you intend on keeping your kids extremely sheltered by never letting them leave the house, let alone your sight, they will learn about it. And telling them it's wrong, without telling them WHY it's wrong, will only encourage them to see it for themselves when someone else offers. It's simple child psychology, which I happen to be a major in.

Yep. It's right there. And he isn't explicit, as he is implying that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills. In fact he is guaranteeing that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills by saying "any chance".

I'll PM you my PayPall account. That was an easy $50.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I understand, my wife and I don't watch it until our daughter is in bed.

We allow her to watch Smallville with us, but this one is a parents only show.

 

[Mysterio]

Well it's official.... I had to change the channel 500 times during the marathon last night. I never saw the eps before and thought it was just a superhero thing that the family caould watch. WRONG!!!

Dag!!! We had strippers , prostitutes, rape scenes, autopsy scenes.....
sex scenes..........

sigh.....


I know what I gonna hear from this board......so let 'er rip.

you do what you gotta do. good for you.

 

[pyromaniac]

Celldog doesn't have to watch it with his kids. That's fine. And like I said, kudos to him for making the parent decision to turn the chanel. Whatever. BUT, the fact is that it's not the channel's fault. He has still not admitted that. It's not the show's fault.

And we wonder why parents still blame society's ills on violent video games and mature cinematic content.

 

[ragdus]

Yep. It's right there. And he isn't explicit, as he is implying that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills. In fact he is guaranteeing that homeschoolers cannot learn social skills by saying "any chance".

I'll PM you my PayPall account. That was an easy $50.

Um, no. Read my reply again. He did in fact say homeschoolers don't have a chance. He DID NOT say that everyone who goes to public school is "socially adept". You lose.