Characters damaged beyond repair?

[CBK]

I'm surprise that the citzens of new york got the drop on cap

 

[Varient]

Practically anything can be forgotten if the characters have a good writer.

Unless you're married to the Wasp and you beat her up. Once is enough.
Or...
If you have sex with the Juggernaut.
Or...
If you're last words before dying are "Not like this, not like THIS!".

I'm tired of spraying my keyboard and monitor with high priced drinks,...

Either you, Zoken, and Hippie Hunter Stop with the funnies,.....






Or I'm switching to tap water.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I sort of liked the paper thin comic characters. I mean they weren't paper thin comic characters but they weren't super intense and "real" like they were in Civil War. I liked how they were all noble heroes and very heroic.

AMEN. I HAVE a really real life. I want my superheros to be iconic and legendary. I don't want to relate to Captain America. I want him to be better than me, so I can idolize him and lose myself in the damn comic.

This crap is soap opera/OC level garbage.

At least Marvel's non-flagship characters are still worth a damn.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

I hate retcons, but in this case I support any and all.

 

[Darthphere]

No character is ever beyond repair.


Thats the truth of comics. SOmething sucks hard, retcon it out, start a new. Its the beauty of comics.

 

[Brainiac 8]

You know what Marvel needs........


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HYPERTIME!

Kidding kidding

 

[Artistsean]

I don't think he admitted he was wrong. He more or so said the way he was going about it was wrong.
Can't blame him for that though. I can't understand how killing people will make a law go away.
I can blame him, though, for not trying again, but better this time. Instead he gave up. He fell off his horse and didn't want to get back on. That dissapointed me extremely.

I don't think he was planning on actually killing Iron Man. I would be nice if he paused because he was unwilling to kill him. Sort of like he was ready to do it but he couldn't force himself. And then those guys interupted his dramatic "I can't do it" thing where he tells Iron Man he can't kill a hero and that Iron Man's side lost.

AMEN. I HAVE a really real life. I want my superheros to be iconic and legendary. I don't want to relate to Captain America. I want him to be better than me, so I can idolize him and lose myself in the damn comic.

This crap is soap opera/OC level garbage.

At least Marvel's non-flagship characters are still worth a damn.

Yeah, I mean they don't all have to get along. I mean Namor shouldn't be everyone's buddy. But... I think you know what I mean.

 

[Xofenroht]

Marvel has always been sort of dysfunctional. Look at Pete's first meeting with the F4 or how Cap reacted when he thawed out. The Fantastic Four themselves have always had some bickering going on between Johnny and Ben or Ben and Reed...amongst all of them. The X-Men have always had problems too, ranging from their first appearance to when the new class was introduced (Logan-Jean-Scott).

I like my heroes to be relatable.

 

[blud_knight]

Don't worry Marvel will probably come up with some way to reset time down the road so none of this ever happens. Hulk will get trapped in a reality bubble, fart, and time will get fixed, or sentry will restart the universe with a sneeze. who knows

 

[Artistsean]

I don't mean I don't want them relatable. I just don't want all the heroes to be so real that they are unlikable or jerks. I mean the Fantastic Four have had problems like paying bills and not always getting along but they shouldn't constantly be on the verge of divorce and dissassembling the team. Iron Man should be somewhat underhanded, willing to do what he has to for his end goal, but he shouldn't be so sneaky and underhanded that you want Hulk to smash him into the ground to teach him a lesson.
I like heroes to have layers to their character but not to be unheroic. Its hard to discribe. I can't really think of the words.

 

[The Question]

While I think he's the best off out of all of them, Cap's gotten it pretty bad. He reacted to the SHRA in the most idiotic, irrational way possible. Since it takes a relatively long time for a law like that to pass, I'd think Cap's first choice would have been to try and talk it out with The President and with Congress to try and reach a more reasonable middle ground. Not throw away his entire military career and start playing Scarlet Pimpernell. I don't see how anyone can say he's gone through Civil War unscathed.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I was just thinking what characters in Civil War did Marvel with the help of Mark Millar did so much damage to that there may no way to fix. Here's my list.

Captain America- Wussing out on a fight like that.

I couldn't believe it!!


Iron Man- Lets face it. Cloning Thor killing friends the list goes on and on.

He's turned into Dr. Doom.

Reed Richards- Man, Mark Millar has turned him into such as a$$ was a way give Stand Lee an F you. He almost has the same list as Iron Man.

He was Marvel's "elder statesman". The ultimate leader of men. Now he's just a follower so far up Stark's butt, he can see what he had fro lunch.

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

Just pathetic...

Spider-Man- With his ID out in the world and Unmasked not being good and hearing future story arcs from Joe Quesada is not making me hopeful at all.

He lost the most!! The most insane Rougues gallery on the planet and he outs himself and his family for Stark...but then he follows Cap who ALSO let's him down!!! Now his Aunt gets shot!!


The citizens of New York- What can I say they tried to tackling Captain America. And they want to fight for Iron Man. Mark thanks for making citizens of New York look like idiots.

Millar stinks!! Barring some "cosmic cube" incident, The Marvel Universe is screwed beyond repair!!

 

[Memphis Slim]

While I think he's the best off out of all of them, Cap's gotten it pretty bad. He reacted to the SHRA in the most idiotic, irrational way possible. Since it takes a relatively long time for a law like that to pass, I'd think Cap's first choice would have been to try and talk it out with The President and with Congress to try and reach a more reasonable middle ground. Not throw away his entire military career and start playing Scarlet Pimpernell. I don't see how anyone can say he's gone through Civil War unscathed.

At what point was Stark even going to listen to another point of view!! ??? It was either register or else, from the beginning!!! Cap had no choice but to fight!! How was that irrational???
Stark, was even willing to risk war with Atlantis to get his way!! How can you talk to someone like that?

 

[blud_knight]

Ironman is far far from being as cool as dr doom.

 

[The Question]

At what point was Stark even going to listen to another point of view!! ??? It was either register or else, from the beginning!!! Cap had no choice but to fight!! How was that irrational???
Stark, was even willing to risk war with Atlantis to get his way!! How can you talk to someone like that?

Did I ever say he should have talked to Stark? Tony was in no way responsible for writing the law. He was simply charged with the task of enforcing it. As I said, he should have tried to reason with the congressmen and the president, who were taking a rational idea to irrational extremes in response to the stanford thing, and try and reach a more reasonable middle ground that way. Besides, what would he have had to lose by trying to talk it out with Tony aswell? The feds already had everything about Steve on file. There was no need for him to register, as he was pre-registered.

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

I think it would have been hilarious if at the beginning of Civil War Capt. had just gotten together all the heroes who didn't want to register and they had all moved to France or Germany or something.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Captain America- Wussing out on a fight like that.

Captain America did not wuss out. He gave up the fight because he saw that the majority of people did not support his cause and his fight was causing too much damage. 63 people died in the final fight of the Civil War. The Atlanteans were provoked into war with the surface world...AGAIN! Sue separated from Reed. Black Goliath was dead. The Avengers split up. On top of that, he was simply fighting a lost cause.

Iron Man- Lets face it. Cloning Thor killing friends the list goes on and on.

Yeah, they really went a little too far with Iron Man. Thankfully, the Knauf Brothers know how to write him.

Reed Richards- Man, Mark Millar has turned him into such as a$$ was a way give Stand Lee an F you. He almost has the same list as Iron Man.

I think that turning Reed into Stark's lackey was an even worse crime.

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

If you read the Ms. Marvel tie-in, you'd notice that she felt really bad for doing that. Also, Arachne started it.

Spider-Man- With his ID out in the world and Unmasked not being good and hearing future story arcs from Joe Quesada is not making me hopeful at all.

I agree with that.

The citizens of New York- What can I say they tried to tackling Captain America. And they want to fight for Iron Man. Mark thanks for making citizens of New York look like idiots.

In case if you ignored the entire series, not just New York City, but also the American populace supported the SHRA. They don't want to fight for Iron Man, they just want to feel safe and they want to know that the people protecting them, are competent enough to protect them. Unlike the New Warriors. They also just simply wanted the fighting to stop.

 

[hippie_hunter]

At what point was Stark even going to listen to another point of view!! ??? It was either register or else, from the beginning!!! Cap had no choice but to fight!! How was that irrational???
Stark, was even willing to risk war with Atlantis to get his way!! How can you talk to someone like that?

Read Casualties of War. You'll see why he supported registration. If he and the others didn't, superheroics would have been banned in the United States and those who refused to back down would have been hunted by Sentinels.

Not only that Iron Man tried to talk to Captain America, it's why he gathered them all up in Civil War #3. But Captain America then shocked him. Stark even stated in Civil War #7 "Do you really think I'd let anyone else guard my friends' secret identities."

Iron Man risked everything, including alienating his friends, to protect them. Captain America was the irrational one here.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I was just thinking what characters in Civil War did Marvel with the help of Mark Millar did so much damage to that there may no way to fix. Here's my list.

Captain America- Wussing out on a fight like that.

Iron Man- Lets face it. Cloning Thor killing friends the list goes on and on.

Reed Richards- Man, Mark Millar has turned him into such as a$$ was a way give Stand Lee an F you. He almost has the same list as Iron Man.

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

Spider-Man- With his ID out in the world and Unmasked not being good and hearing future story arcs from Joe Quesada is not making me hopeful at all.

The citizens of New York- What can I say they tried to tackling Captain America. And they want to fight for Iron Man. Mark thanks for making citizens of New York look like idiots.

I say none, because all of your reasons suck horribly.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

At what point was Stark even going to listen to another point of view!! ??? It was either register or else, from the beginning!!! Cap had no choice but to fight!! How was that irrational???
Stark, was even willing to risk war with Atlantis to get his way!! How can you talk to someone like that?

Is it right to ask such a question, when you yourself won't?

 

[Sloth7d]

While I think he's the best off out of all of them, Cap's gotten it pretty bad. He reacted to the SHRA in the most idiotic, irrational way possible. Since it takes a relatively long time for a law like that to pass, I'd think Cap's first choice would have been to try and talk it out with The President and with Congress to try and reach a more reasonable middle ground. Not throw away his entire military career and start playing Scarlet Pimpernell. I don't see how anyone can say he's gone through Civil War unscathed.

That actually, might have been the way it had gone, if Maria Hill wasn't such an A-hole and tried to make him become pro by force. Especially before the law was passed.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

I was just thinking what characters in Civil War did Marvel with the help of Mark Millar did so much damage to that there may no way to fix. Here's my list.

Captain America- Wussing out on a fight like that.

Iron Man- Lets face it. Cloning Thor killing friends the list goes on and on.

Reed Richards- Man, Mark Millar has turned him into such as a$$ was a way give Stand Lee an F you. He almost has the same list as Iron Man.

Ms. Marvel- Is nothing more then Iron Man's henchman who will beat up a mother in front of her child.

Spider-Man- With his ID out in the world and Unmasked not being good and hearing future story arcs from Joe Quesada is not making me hopeful at all.

The citizens of New York- What can I say they tried to tackling Captain America. And they want to fight for Iron Man. Mark thanks for making citizens of New York look like idiots.

I would just like to input that most of the characters have been written out of character.I doubt Captain America would surrender,especially with something this important.

 

[The Question]

That actually, might have been the way it had gone, if Maria Hill wasn't such an A-hole and tried to make him become pro by force. Especially before the law was passed.

Still, instead of becoming a Robin Hood wannabe after escaping from Hill, he should have gone to Washington to settle things. Cap's always been a man to settle things with words before resorting to fisticuffs. Not in Civil War, though. Of course, Hill's trying to force him like that also made no sense, as Cap had broken no laws by saying that he opposed the act, and her sending all those gaurds after him was so completely unnecessairy and random that it defies all reason.

 

[hippie_hunter]

That actually, might have been the way it had gone, if Maria Hill wasn't such an A-hole and tried to make him become pro by force. Especially before the law was passed.

To be fair, Hill was never qualified for the job and admitted to that fact herself. She was designed to be a temporary head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the public never even knew that she was in charge of S.H.I.E.L.D. She didn't even want the position.

Not only that she was chosen because she represented the interests of the United States above other nations. And was merely a yes-woman to what the U.S. Government wanted. That is why she was chosen.

 

[YJ1]

Practically anything can be forgotten if the characters have a good writer.

Unless you're married to the Wasp and you beat her up. Once is enough.
Or...
If you have sex with the Juggernaut.
Or...
If you're last words before dying are "Not like this, not like THIS!".

LOL! Don't get me started about the Hank Pym bias...

How can there be any character damaged beyond repair when you can point to the dark days of a Spider-Man clone or a teenage Tony Stark?

Morrison and Austen had no clue on how to write the X-Men and yet the X-Franchise survived their juvenile stupidity intact. Even Bucky has been brought back in a rather cool fashion and who would've thought that possible a few years back? These characters are bigger then their current writers simply because past writers have established a solid foundation. You can always peel back a few of the newer layers if they're not working.