ChildLess, ChildFree, and Being Fruitful

[BlackLantern]

I do not know how this applies, but I came across this topic in the news and feel the need to cull some opinions.

More and more people are choosing to not have children. They refer to themselves as childfree. They point out that most of America, workplaces, and taxes are bending to those with children and leaving them out. The opposition considers the childfree "selfish" and "hedonistic" not contributing anything to society.

I work in a place where a some people use their kids as an excuse to leave early or not come in at all. Those who have kids get tax credit. Kind of makes me feel like, simply because I don't have children, I don't matter.

I'd welcome everyone, those with kids and without to sound off on this trend.

 

[Mee]

So, are you saying people should stop breeding cause you're jealous?


It's ok if you're not a ladies man, there's always adoption.

 

[BlackLantern]

No not at all....just wondering what people think about this growing trend of people not wanting to have kids, and that we now have the largest percentage of single people in the US at this point

 

[AndThePickles]

I never plan on having children, but I do plan on getting married.

 

[blind_fury]

Why bring a new life into the world when there are millions of hungry children without any guardian to care for them? Most people never question the logic of "procreating" when millions of children are hungry and alone. wtf?

You can't care about a child unless they are passing down your DNA? Seems narcissistic, self-absorbed, and down-right wicked.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

There used to be a reason to have kids.
The only motivation now is vanity.
We don't need anymore.
It's warped.
I know a girl who was very open about the fact that she wanted to have a baby because it would be so fun to dress it up in cuter clothes than the other mothers choose for their kids.
She was my friend's girlfriend and he simply told her that they ought to think about it and wait a while before having a kid and the **** told him, "If you won't impregnate me then I'll find someone who WILL! "

She dumped him.
She also routinely physically and verbally abused him.
She broke his finger and cracked his motorcycle helmet because he was 20 minutes late picking her up to go to a party.
'Cause of bad traffic.

Yeah, so now she has a kid.
I'm sure she'll make a wonderful mother.

If you want to know why the world is so ****ed up....here's why:

****ed up people have kids and **** them up.
The kids grow up into ****ed up adults, meet other ****ed up people, procreate, and, in a ****ed up way, raise more little ****ed up kids, who grow into ****ed up people.
And the cycle goes, and goes, and goes, and has spun out of control.

I think you're selfish, twisted and evil to have kids.

 

[Mee]

I think you're selfish, twisted and evil to have kids.

Somebody has to raise good kids, to keep the balance, and keep us normal people from dying out and leaving the world to the nutjobs.

 

[Logan's Runt]

If you want to know why the world is so ****ed up....here's why:

****ed up people have kids and **** them up.
The kids grow up into ****ed up adults, meet other ****ed up people, procreate, and, in a ****ed up way, raise more little ****ed up kids, who grow into ****ed up people.
And the cycle goes, and goes, and goes, and has spun out of control.

I think you're selfish, twisted and evil to have kids.

Yeah, that. No kids for us.

 

[Symbiotic]

One day, there will be a Mrs. Symbiotic. Don't know who it is yet, but there will be one. And yes, there will be little Symbiotics down the road as well.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, that. No kids for us.

:highchildlessfive:

 

[tzarinna]

It's not one of my desires, to have children.

But it always bothers me when someone has a baby and all the coworkers collect money for that person.
How about giving me some money for not having a baby?

I feel that I'm rather productive part of society, I have my spurts of sitting on my ass and doing nothing and I have moments where I like to get involved with community and volunteer. If I did decide to have kids I would most certainly attempt to teach them to not be so selfish with their time and abilities and be community oriented as well. I wish more people would do such, like the church. They could do so much with the youth and yet they fall to the waste side causing mischief. Not all but most.

 

[SolidSnakeMGS]

I've already decided I'll end up without a wife and family and die before old age so I really can't comment on my preference. But if you don't want kids, don't feel guilty or anything. We got enough people....more than enough.

 

[BlackLantern]

::high childFREE five::: Less implies you are missing something.

 

[Mee]

::high childFREE five::: Less implies you are missing something.

And makes it sound like you're cured of a disease.

 

[blind_fury]

Somebody has to raise good kids, to keep the balance, and keep us normal people from dying out and leaving the world to the nutjobs.

Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?

The above average and "good" people stopped breeding a long time ago. The world we live in is the result.

 

[Zen]

I've often wrestled with this issue...

To have kids or not to have kids...


Honestly there’s a case for selfishness either way... many people have kids because they run out of things to do...that is if they didn't have them early on by accident. Many wouldn’t admit it but children are for many... a reason to exist. In that way procreating in a world that’s rapidly becoming overpopulated is very selfish. its like the fight club dialogue between ed norton and brad pit about his dad... he kept asking what’s next after he got one thing after another accomplished... until his father got slightly confused and said... well, have some kids...

You may notice how people's ideologies towards their offspring are more possessive and object orientated then they should be... they literally act like the children are THEIR possessions, their cherished little possessions. When in actuality they are the worlds possession in that they're lasting effects will ultimately be more upon the world/society then on the local family. Having children without taking into consideration things besides wanting children of YOUR own in a world that’s running out of room, is slightly irresponsible...

Many people don’t take rearing children seriously enough either. It’s a serious situation that many parents think they take seriously.... but they only take it seriously enough to just survive the often difficult moments of raising a child... I'm pointing directly at how we are over medicating and under parenting our children today... its very hard, we have too many things we think we can't live without, and so we work more then our for-fathers ever did for less pay... and that’s partially due to over crowding.
If we could only give up some of the luxurious subscription based lifestyles we enjoy today... we would be able to work less and spend more important time raising sane children.




Now... there is ample reason to have children and the number one reason is the reason they give all those tax breaks and such to people who choose to blow babies out of their rears like a tennis ball machine... the country needs healthy numbers, and the country wants to continue to grow in population numbers EVEN if they know we're overcrowding cause other nations like...Hmmmmm.... CHINA have a huge population, and we don’t want to have a shortage of manpower should we ever need it... we are human after all... we haven’t evolved enough to get over this whole Idea that WAR works... and until we ALL (our enemies to) agree that it doesn't we sort of have to fight fire with fire. Pride is another reason to have kids... along with evolution... if you’re huge and built... or agile as a cat... or massively intelligent... it’s generally good for you to breed and help further natural selection or evolution and so on. If you have unique Genes and DNA to pass on you may be compelled to share it with the gene pool... but remember Genetic manipulation is fast making this an obsolete idea.

I am for the breaks for families... they F%&#ing need'em and you don’t... I mean Christ what are you spending your money on if you don’t have kids? and all that free time after work cause you don’t have kids... well parents don’t get that so don't whine about them getting time off... in the long run your making out with less responsibility and more money... believe me. but you also may have thought this all out and made a very mature decision to not have children and simply help other people with theirs... it takes a village man... at least it should anyway.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

::high childFREE five::: Less implies you are missing something.

No way. I'm TUMORLESS and I'm RUTHLESS, 'cause I have no ruth.

 

[blind_fury]

I resent the fact that most of our society is geared toward families. What about adults who don't have families? Are we supposed to spend our entire existence in a child-safe environment?

There should be towns without kids where clown-midget porn comes on prime time television and they sell beer or mind-altering drugs at every McDonalds.

 

[BlackLantern]

I am for the breaks for families... they F%&#ing need'em and you don’t... I mean Christ what are you spending your money on if you don’t have kids? and all that free time after work cause you don’t have kids... well parents don’t get that so don't whine about them getting time off... in the long run your making out with less responsibility and more money... believe me. but you also may have thought this all out and made a very mature decision to not have children and simply help other people with theirs... it takes a village man... at least it should anyway.[/quote]


It's not anyone's business what I spend my money on, so why should the government get more of it because i don't have children? Am I less important?

 

[AndThePickles]

Why bring a new life into the world when there are millions of hungry children without any guardian to care for them? Most people never question the logic of "procreating" when millions of children are hungry and alone. wtf?

You can't care about a child unless they are passing down your DNA? Seems narcissistic, self-absorbed, and down-right wicked.

I will NEVER understand why so many people are completely against adopting. The world is so overpopulated....even people who can't have kids still keep trying without using adoption as an option :

 

[Zen]

christ youi guys are reponding fast, there was only 3 posts when i started writing... i agree wil-helm and also with many of the ther posts in here... i mean, theres pros and cons...

if its a F%&ked up world then we have to band together and help our neighbors a little with their kids.

I love kids... they are much more interesting then adults almost always... i often watch and help my fmaily and neighbors if they need it... and many of them say im going to be an awesome father, and i think to myself... why would i want to do that when theirs plenty of kids around...

plenty of these little encourageable hellions that we can organize into child gangs and start anarchy with like in hostel...

or miniture children fight clubs,

yeh, id be an awesome dad

 

[Zen]

I am for the breaks for families... they F%&#ing need'em and you don’t... I mean Christ what are you spending your money on if you don’t have kids? and all that free time after work cause you don’t have kids... well parents don’t get that so don't whine about them getting time off... in the long run your making out with less responsibility and more money... believe me. but you also may have thought this all out and made a very mature decision to not have children and simply help other people with theirs... it takes a village man... at least it should anyway.

It's not anyone's business what I spend my money on, so why should the government get more of it because i don't have children? Am I less important?[/QUOTE]


yes to the goverment you are, you arnt creating a resource they can get further money from... use to go to war and manipulate. sorry bro... it sucks, i never said it was an awesome idea... but thats just how goverments are... they like procreation, it means more coffers and more bodies...

yoiu have plenty of money and time if you dont have kids, seriously... you have to be arguing just to argue on this point. the amount of free time you have and extra money youd have from not having children is rediculous in comparison....

and goverment funds it like it does business and other goverment subsidies.

 

[blind_fury]

"Artificial Intelligence" explores the real motivations behind procreation and love based on shared genetics/innate triggers rather than something else.

 

[BlackLantern]

If I want to spend money on High Class Hookers and Blow instead of diapers and baby clothes...that is my business

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I hope to have a child someday. I have the right to screw up a kid as much as the next *******.