Documentary/Biopic Christopher Nolan’s Oppenheimer

There really aren't many directors in Hollywood who have that name power these days where people will go to a movie primarily because of who directed it. Not even a living legend like Spielberg still has it given the disappointing turnout of his last two movies. It's really just Nolan, James Cameron, maybe Tarantino to a lesser degree and I'm also compelled to include Jordan Peele as an up-and-comer there because even though he's only got three films under his belt there was quite a bit of buzz around them.
 
I would assume Universal is Nolan's home now, at least for his next film.

Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy seem pretty aggressive about wanting him back. Not sure if that strategy will work after they drove him away, but we'll see.
 
There's no reason for Nolan and Universal to part ways after this. They've given him all the leeway he needed and he delivered them half a billion and counting. Sounds like the beginning of a healthy partnership to me.
 
I watched this on Tuesday. It was good, at times very good, though far from Nolan's best. Drags a bit (Nolan does not trust his audience here at all) and the Trinity Test being so blah, feels like it caps two hours of very good build, with a whimper. Especially for a real life event that was was the equivalent of an Evangelion episode.

While the self importance of the film is warranted, all but removing that essence from Oppenheimer himself felt like an odd choice, to prop him up as a more of a wounded hero/fallen god, then the imperfect human being he was. His errors are very "human" but his hubris and self-importance are brushed to the side, as if they are "okay". The film seems determined to separate the man from the scientist. Especially with that last 5-10 mins which reads like an apology to a guy that you know, did that. There is one moment where I felt like they nailed it, but it was fleeting and turned straight into self-pity from that point on.

I had heard that the flick was pretty socialist, but honestly, it's super liberal. Especially with the random nods towards social justice that have no barring on the film itself. Like a Dem campaign ad. It had Nolan usual sexist tropes of women characters. No wonder he was willing to cast Casey Affleck.

Beyond that, RDJ and Solo were very good, Blunt did as well as she could with that "character", seeing David Krumholtz being old made me feel older then anything ever has, and the "suit up"/"I become death" scenes made me cackle.
 
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Hmm, gonna disagree with this showing Oppenheimer as anything but a coward. Anytime he’s questioned by anyone on his opinions he immediately capitulates to the other side. He gives up unionizing as soon as Ernst tells him to, he says nothing about the bombing of Japanese cities. When he looks away from the actual devastation of Hiroshima, that’s not regret, it’s cowardice. Even that “suit up” moment is him once again going back on something because someone tells him too. In Nolan’s estimation Oppenheimer wasn’t a Communist even though he had opinions that aligned with that ideology, because he was too spineless to be one. “I like to have wiggle room.” is Oppie’s excuse for cowardice.

Nolan’s entire thesis on Oppenheimer is given away in the first hour:
“What does the J. stand for?”
“Nothing, apparently.”

This movie is not an ode to a misunderstood hero, it’s a portrait of a coward.
 
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Hmm, gonna disagree with this showing Oppenheimer as anything but a coward. Anytime he’s questioned on anyone of his opinions he immediately capitulates to the other side. He gives up unionizing as soon as Ernst tells him to, he says nothing when the bombing of Japanese cities. When he looks away from the actual devastation of Hiroshima, that’s not regret, it’s cowardice. Even that “suit up” moment is him once again going back on something. In Nolan’s estimation Oppenheimer wasn’t a Communist even though he had opinions that aligned with that ideology, but because he was too spineless to be one. “I like to have wiggle room.” is Oppie’s excuse for cowardice.

Nolan’s entire thesis on Oppenheimer is given away in the first hour:
“What does the J. stand for?”
“Nothing, apparently.”

This movie is not an ode to a misunderstood hero, it’s a portrait of a coward.
This. I am immediately perplexed by people who watch this movie and come out of it thinking it glorifies him in any way. Obviously this is a nuanced perspective on the man, but the movie goes out of its way in certain scenes to criticize him for the bad things he's done, so I'm not sure what DarthSkywalker was trying to say here.

Also, while I definitely agree that Nolan has had issues writing most of the female characters in his movies, I would hardly call him sexist and cast passive-aggressive shade on him, but that's just me.
 
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Personally, I don't think the movie is offering any easy answers about anything and that's kind of the point. It is a film mostly told subjectively through Oppenheimer's view, and therefore the whole film is an exercise in getting you to understand and empathize with why certain decisions are made, even if at the same time you are appalled and understand it as wrong through your own moral compass. At the same time, I think the film makes it pretty abundantly clear that having an insight into atomic power during a time that the Nazis were 100% trying to get there, and understanding it as an inevitability is quite a unique burden that none of us have had to live through. The scientists saw atomic energy as a fundamental piece of nature/the cosmos they were uncovering. That intersection between science and politics is the inherent tension that the film is all about. And there are so many ways those ideas can apply to the modern world beyond nuclear power.

I don't necessarily think the movie's grand statement is about Oppie being a coward either. To me it's more about how his naivete and self-importance were his undoing. I suppose you could include cowardice in there, that's up to the viewer. My view was he seemed to genuinely think that it would end all war, that he personally might be able keep the genie in the bottle. Or that he'd at least convinced himself of that. It's impossible to know for sure what he believed, which the film directly tells us. The whole thing about Oppenheimer is that he was a very ambiguous character. The film is more of an invitation to think about these moral paradoxes and character flaws and come to your own conclusions, rather than it is an attempt to reduce him to a single adjective.

More importantly though, where the film's sharpest political commentary comes from is rather from trying to judge the one man, it paints a very clear picture of the uneasy relationship between the government and science and how the government will listen to the science community when it serves their agenda, and cast them aside the moment it doesn't. That's where the ending really has its impact. It's about the realization that this ultimate destructive power is now at the mercy of the pettiness, vindictiveness, self-righteousness, smallness of men (IE Strauss) just viewing nuclear weapons as another tool in the endless Game of Thrones style jockeying for power rather than the world-ending threat they are. I found it to be a pretty damning and horrific view of American power. Everything that happens after Trinity really hammers that home for me. And I think any statements you want to read into the film have to be directly traced back to American Prometheus. It's a faithful adaptation that the author has wholeheartedly endorsed as having condensed the essence of the book.

As always, I think trying to read a film through a rigid political lens can be extremely reductive to art and tends cast aside all the layers of meaning and ambiguity that film, especially one this dense and complex, can invite you to engage with. Not entirely related, but I think this piece gives some context that I think is helpful in this discussion. It's Okay for Art Like Oppenheimer to Make Us Uncomfortable
 
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I just saw Oppenheimer with my dad. He hasn't seen a movie in theaters since 2018.

Pros:

The casting/acting of the leads and bit parts.

The score is bombastic when it needs to be and minimal when appropriate. The sound editing/fx were powerful and effective.

There's a 75/25 split in terms of history/politics and science that works.

Cons:

After the Test is completed, the security hearings with Strauss run a bit too long for my taste. It could have been trimmed.

There are so many small characters to keep track of. While an important character, Emily Blunt is mostly missing during the middle 1/3 of the film.

Overall: 8.5/10
 
Well, for the real Trinity explosion… presumably, all cameras were stopped down and heavily filtered. Thus, the dawn sky would have looked pitch dark. So Nolan was just recreating the photographic record. :o
 
Well, for the real Trinity explosion… presumably, all cameras were stopped down and heavily filtered. Thus, the dawn sky would have looked pitch dark. So Nolan was just recreating the photographic record. :o
I'm not even certain deGrasse Tyson is right about that one. The sky was heavily overcast at the time of the explosion, the storm having just passed. As well, a lot of the eyewitness reports talk about the flash turning night into day and the sky afterwards looking like the Aurora Borealis. I'm wondering if deGrasse Tyson might be confusing the Borealis type colours of the sky afterwards with the how light/dark the sky was.
 
Yeah, just double-checked the Pulitzer Prize-winning history book, The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes, it was far from full dawn.

As per Rabi:
"We were lying there, very tense, in the early dawn, and there were just a few streaks of gold in the east; you could see your neighbor very dimly."

Teller:
"was like opening the heavy curtains of a darkened room to a flood of sunlight"

Kennedy, the head of the metallurgical division, after the explosion, "the overcast of strato-cumulus clouds directly overhead [became] pink on the underside and well illuminated, as at a sunrise."

So yeah, deGrasse Tyson is overstating the amount of dawn twilight there was and/or confusing the descriptions of how the bomb left the dark sky illuminated like a dawn twilight afterwards with it occurring during the actual dawn.
 
I'm going tonight to watch it for my second viewing and this time it's going to be in XD instead of 70mm.

As much as I enjoyed the 70mm experience, the changing aspect ratio that Nolan for whatever reason loves doing kept taking me out of fully investing in the dialogue.
 
And regardless of accuracy, it's easy to understand cinematically speaking why staging it at night would read the best on screen to demonstrate how bright it was.

Ended up seeing it a third time last night with a friend. Pretty full theater for a Monday night. One thing I am appreciating more and more with each viewing is Emily Blunt's performance. It's not about the amount of screen time, it's about the layers she's able to pack into the character. I think it's honestly one of the best performances I've seen Blunt give, where I just completely buy into Kitty and almost forget it's even Emily Blunt playing her.

I also think Jason Clarke is insanely good in this, he's stood out to me each time I've watched it. The scene where he's just hammering away at Oppie with rapid fire questions is as intense and harrowing of a moment as anything in the film, which is saying a lot.
 
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With all due respect to JC, I think this is a moot point because I don't see a scenario where he would even try to make a film at this point that isn't about pushing forward motion capture, sci-fi, 3D, etc. He's only going to make Avatar movies for the rest of his career.

So yeah, I really do think only Nolan both would've and could've made a 3 hour historical biopic that is mostly people talking in rooms and have it be this successful in 2023. This was a perfect alignment of material, filmmaker and audience desire for something adult. It's honestly insane.
 
To be fair Cameron might be an even bigger box-office draw (he's number one), but his work sell itself. They are the definition of tentpole commercial films that are there to attract the masses, and he attracts them like like no other because he delivers big, by having huge preparation and care for his movies.

Nolan on the other hand manages to attract audiences for films that audience wouldn't normally go see or at least to the extend that they have. Oppenheimer is the perfect example of that and it's far from the only one. Yeah I don't think there's another director that manages to attract so many viewers for such unconventional blockbuster movies.
 

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