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Christopher Nolan vs Quentin Tarantino ( Kill/Save)

Nolan vs Tarantino

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We will have to agree to disagree. I remember 1993 in cinema extremely well. Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, The Crying Game.... lots of great films that owed nothing to QT. I also remember that after Pulp Fiction a lot of Tarantino imitators popped up, a lot of them crap.

As for Nolan, he was making indie films in the later 90s, after Tarantino.
Somehow I doubt that if Tarantino never come along that Nolan would never have developed his own nonlinear narrative structure.

I say this because at his core Nolan is a very British filmmaker. His style , tone and sensibilities are so different than Tarantino's that it's difficult to argue that Tarantino has influenced him at all.

As for the nonlinear narrative technique, it was not invented by Tarantino, although he made it popular in the 1990s.

Would we have got Memento or the Prestige without Pulp Fiction? IMO absolutely.

I would argue that Kubrick would be a much bigger influence on Nolan than anything Tarantino has done.

Ultimately, I respect Tarantino's work, but prefer Nolan.


If you notice I never stated Nolan has not had his impact on cinema. But when you posted "What would the landscape of american cinema be like without Tarantino ? I believe it would be pretty much the same, although John Travolta's comeback might not have been quite the same" I think that's just not accurate in the least.

Also I think you missed my point about the films of 1993. Again... Where did I say that the films of 1993 were either bad or that they owed something to Tarantino? I used that as a point of reference to the what came AFTER. Again... There were great films before Pulp Fiction. This isn't some outlandish claim that somehow there was nothing before of worth. BUT to say that the film world wasn't affected by Pulp Fiction is just not accurate at all. Like I said, Tarantino's impact can be seen in the post Pulp Fiction world rather quickly. And across a wide berth of films and directors. He became a cultural phenomenon and he and his world were referenced and parodied all over the place for years and years. Today's world of "geek" passions, appreciation of niche' pop culture, the mining of nostalgia... Like it or hate it, a lot owes itself to Tarantino and his work. Were there ****ty wannabes? Yeah. TONS OF THEM. Success breeds imitators. The better Tarantino copycats were just that, better, and the cream rose to the top in the ensuing decades.

And yes, the fact that Tarantino's influence was so widespread in the mid and late 1990's means I'm pretty confident in my opinion that Nolan's breakthrough of Memento would not have come to be without the success Tarantino led the way with in terms of the types of films that got green lit. Saying that the only difference in movies, movie culture and movie history from the films of Tarantino is the career re-boot of Travolta is frankly a bridge too far in opinion brother man.

That Nolan has an influence I did not and do not debate... That it's been bigger in impact than Tarantino IS debatable at best. That Quentin's only contribution is a late career surge of Travolta is simply too over the top to take seriously as an opinion, all due respect Bats.
 
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Bald Nolan hasn't even written or directed something as masterful as the tavern scene in IB. It was the great Heath who elevated his material with his acting, that is what a great actor does, but some of that dialogue is rough. Not to mention he still can't direct hand to hand action sequences. lol

NO MORE DEAD COPS!

Welp. Gotta have another male character with a dead wife trope.
 
I consider the TDK's SWAT Fight and the Hotel Fight in Inception better than that tavern scene in IB.
Is it that hard to discuss about 2 great director without unecessary troll words ?
 
I consider the TDK's SWAT Fight and the Hotel Fight in Inception better than that tavern scene in IB.
Is it that hard to discuss about 2 great director without unecessary troll words ?

Some people lack the maturity.
 
Nothing trollish about what I said, just a few jokes added in. If they didn't land it ain't my problem. Eh.

Hell, I really like Nolan as a filmmaker. He currently makes my top 10 directors working today, but he is towards the bottom of that list. I simply can't place him over Scorsese, PTA, Fincher, Tarantino, Cuaron, Inarritu, Villeneuve. Not bad company tho.

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If you notice I never stated Nolan has not had his impact on cinema. But when you posted "What would the landscape of american cinema be like without Tarantino ? I believe it would be pretty much the same, although John Travolta's comeback might not have been quite the same" I think that's just not accurate in the least.

Also I think you missed my point about the films of 1993. Again... Where did I say that the films of 1993 were either bad or that they owed something to Tarantino? I used that as a point of reference to the what came AFTER. Again... There were great films before Pulp Fiction. This isn't some outlandish claim that somehow there was nothing before of worth. BUT to say that the film world wasn't affected by Pulp Fiction is just not accurate at all. Like I said, Tarantino's impact can be seen in the post Pulp Fiction world rather quickly. And across a wide berth of films and directors. He became a cultural phenomenon and he and his world were referenced and parodied all over the place for years and years. Today's world of "geek" passions, appreciation of niche' pop culture, the mining of nostalgia... Like it or hate it, a lot owes itself to Tarantino and his work. Were there ****ty wannabes? Yeah. TONS OF THEM. Success breeds imitators. The better Tarantino copycats were just that, better, and the cream rose to the top in the ensuing decades.

And yes, the fact that Tarantino's influence was so widespread in the mid and late 1990's means I'm pretty confident in my opinion that Nolan's breakthrough of Memento would not have come to be without the success Tarantino led the way with in terms of the types of films that got green lit. Saying that the only difference in movies, movie culture and movie history from the films of Tarantino is the career re-boot of Travolta is frankly a bridge too far in opinion brother man.

That Nolan has an influence I did not and do not debate... That it's been bigger in impact than Tarantino IS debatable at best. That Quentin's only contribution is a late career surge of Travolta is simply too over the top to take seriously as an opinion, all due respect Bats.


Well, as I said we are going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I will agree though that I was significantly underselling Tarantino when I said that his main achievement was Travolta's comeback.
 
They each have strengths over the other. I will say Nolan has ventured a bit more outside his "box" than Tarantino has. Now, if that Star Trek movie of his ever comes to pass, then we can re-examine this I think.
 
Nothing trollish about what I said, just a few jokes added in. If they didn't land it ain't my problem. Eh.

Hell, I really like Nolan as a filmmaker. He currently makes my top 10 directors working today, but he is towards the bottom of that list. I simply can't place him over Scorsese, PTA, Fincher, Tarantino, Cuaron, Inarritu, Villeneuve. Not bad company tho.

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But you then add, universally regarded as one of his worst moments on film. :ebr: Another joke that doesn't land. Oh I see.
 
They each have strengths over the other. I will say Nolan has ventured a bit more outside his "box" than Tarantino has. Now, if that Star Trek movie of his ever comes to pass, then we can re-examine this I think.

Once Upon A Time in Hollywood will snatch wigs.

Also, I feel like Villeneuve has surpassed Nolan for me now. I think Nolan should take more from a camera movement and placement from both Cuaron and Inarritu.
 
I'd save Tarantino.

I love his unique style and he's pretty much the only director I'll watch any new film from as soon as possible, regardless of what it is about. I also simply have more favorites in his body of work than I have in Nolan's.
 
Well, as I said we are going to have to agree to disagree on this.

I will agree though that I was significantly underselling Tarantino when I said that his main achievement was Travolta's comeback.

Which... Was a big part of my disagreement.
 
Nolanites would go as far to erase Scorsese and Kubrick from film history to keep the man. Even I wouldn't go that far.

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