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Even Nolan could not do a proper Akira movie, I hope I will eat my words but I don't think I will.
Anyway, both guys are good at what they do.
 
Quentin Tarantino made more entertaining movies.
Nolan is better at two things:
1. The lack of profanity in his work
2. He directed awesome Batman movies
 
That hasn't been confirmed at all has it? I'm hoping he does another original movie, I don't really have any interest in Akira. I'm sure if he does it though, he will make something very interesting, even if it's not 'true to the source'. I'm kind of hoping Batman is the only big time franchise he does though.


And Spider, I'd say that Tarantino is like The Beatles, whereas Nolan is like Pink Floyd. Tarantino makes well thought out and enjoyable pop, Nolan makes much deeper works that are also very enjoyable - but only grow moreso after repeat listens. Both love details, but the details that tarantino focuses on are aesthetics and how that will affect the audience, Nolan's focus are on the ideas he's exploring and how to best explore those ideas so that they will affect the audience.
 
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What is deep, where is that substance? Well, watch Memento, The Prestige, TDK or Interstellar again... Pay attention to themes in those films, to dialogues and monologues, to ways how protagonists react to and reflect situations around them.

Pay attention to intentions of characters, how they put their ideas into action, what they sacrifice to get what they want, look at consequences of their actions. Heed the obsessive behaviour of Leonard, Angeir, Borden, Wayne... Those films are full of psychological and philosophical ideas you can think about for the whole rest of your life.
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IMO those films are ground-breaking, I've never seen things like that put together in such manner. Entertaining yet so clever, sophisticated, emotional and original. To me they are amongst the best artistic endeavours I've ever experienced. Maybe because I'm psychologically flawed in very similar ways the protagonists of Nolan's films are. His films speak right to my core. I can understand those obsessive somewhat self-destructive idealists... I can understand them and I feel their struggle.

Baffled Leonard, going for revenge again and again, unable to tell what's real, what's some reflection, what's illusion of his mind. Angeir and Borden, giving everything dear in their lives and their lives themselves to achieve their, for other people incomprehensible, goals. Wayne's obsessive adherence to rules and ideas over pragmatism and self-preservation. Cooper's standpoint between the species or the individual. Etc., etc.

On the formalistic side, pay attention to structure of Memento or The Prestige, because their structures reflect the main perspectives of those films, i.e. loss of short-term memory and three parts of any proper magic trick. And watch how multi-layered their narration is. How sophisticated scripts for those films are. It's just mind-boggling. The amount of detail and complexity. I think scripts for TDK and Interstellar are just brilliant (it's like the borderline of human script-writing capabilities
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I have to see Inception again to take some standpoint.

I would love to discuss your observations from watching those films, there is so much to talk about. So if you want, just write here where's the subtance missing and we can look at that in detail. :woot:
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I mean, their styles are wholy different. Nolan works really well because his ideas are more far-reaching and complex, yet are presented in a very relatable way, which amplifies its internal effect. Tarantino usually has very simple themes explored simply, but through interesting stories and characters, and are told through over the top imagery and actions.

It's apples and oranges. Personally I tend to find Tarantino's works pretty hollow (as compared to Nolan) - you rarely gain more appreciation the more you watch because it's almost all on the surface in terms of the deeper elements. With nolan, the more you watch, the more layers you uncover, and the more you realize that the 'stilted dialog' is always serving multiple purposes, both in terms of exploring the characters and their interactions with the world and the many themes throughout.

I would say Tarantino is better at writing dialog and playing with structural and cinematic conventions, but Nolan is the better writer in terms of crafting complicated, engaging and unique stories that only become more impressive and layered the more you watch them, and to me personally, are always much more relatable as a person. When I walk out of a Tarantino movie, my reaction is, "Damn, that was fun." But I quickly forget about the movie, beyond that I enjoyed it. When i walk out of a Nolan movie my reaction is, "Holy ****, I've never experienced that before." And the movie's themes and characters continue to churn in my brain for the next couple of months.

Having said that - they're both incredible filmmakers who bridge entertainment and the intellectual better than almost any other filmmaker working today. I would love to be able to save them both - and luckily, in real life, I still can appreciate them both without it aversely affecting the other. :yay:

This comes down to personal taste. Nolan is a classic storyteller and imo, the best when it comes to exposition and cinematic use of words. I know people complain about that, but what he does is masterful. I never feel it in the same way you do in that it's contrived or forced. He has talked about how he's very particular about how he needs this information to feel warranted, fluid and true to the characters.

It's pretty interesting to see how people react to things, but the end of TDK is amazing in my opinion. The combination of elements creates an amazing crescendo of thematic importance, hopefulness and the darkness we know is coming, that define both Gordon and Batman and their relationship. It's a trifecta of emotions that's incredibly rare and difficult to achieve.

Is how Gordon is talking/the way it's edited 'natural' in the sense that that's how he would explain this to his child? Not really. But it works perfectly to use cinematic language to become something more than just somebody talking. And the words he says are completely in character and in Gordon's line of thinking. So to me, what Nolan did really transcends the modern idea of things having to be very natural, and using the medium to achieve the magic of movies, combined with all the intellectual reasons that make those moments mean so much more than just words.

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I love Tarantino, he's terrific, but Nolan has the edge as a film maker.
 
Dialogues wise, to use a musical analogy, Tarantio's dialogues are like a toccata and fugue, Nolan's are like a refrain (chorus) like punch lines, both works fine in their respective usage.
 
I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.
 
What I'm finding interesting about Tarantino at present as how he's turned his attention largely away from the white male protagonist and towards larger cultural explorations, largely of the oppressed. Jackie Brown, The Bride, the women of Death Proof, Shoshanna, and Django are not your typical protagonists. There's a larger theme in Tarantino ' s works as a result of that exploration.

That Tarantino does that without being didactic or lecturing is an accomplishment.
 
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I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.

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I mean, their styles are wholy different. Nolan works really well because his ideas are more far-reaching and complex, yet are presented in a very relatable way, which amplifies its internal effect. Tarantino usually has very simple themes explored simply, but through interesting stories and characters, and are told through over the top imagery and actions.

It's apples and oranges. Personally I tend to find Tarantino's works pretty hollow (as compared to Nolan) - you rarely gain more appreciation the more you watch because it's almost all on the surface in terms of the deeper elements. With nolan, the more you watch, the more layers you uncover, and the more you realize that the 'stilted dialog' is always serving multiple purposes, both in terms of exploring the characters and their interactions with the world and the many themes throughout.

I would say Tarantino is better at writing dialog and playing with structural and cinematic conventions, but Nolan is the better writer in terms of crafting complicated, engaging and unique stories that only become more impressive and layered the more you watch them, and to me personally, are always much more relatable as a person. When I walk out of a Tarantino movie, my reaction is, "Damn, that was fun." But I quickly forget about the movie, beyond that I enjoyed it. When i walk out of a Nolan movie my reaction is, "Holy ****, I've never experienced that before." And the movie's themes and characters continue to churn in my brain for the next couple of months.

Having said that - they're both incredible filmmakers who bridge entertainment and the intellectual better than almost any other filmmaker working today. I would love to be able to save them both - and luckily, in real life, I still can appreciate them both without it aversely affecting the other. :yay:

Agreed. Nolan able to do deeper themes and present better than Tarantino. Tarantino do his good but has not been able to do it as well or as deep as Nolan yet.

Tarantino also say he is big fan of Christopher Nolan's http://uk.complex.com/pop-culture/2014/11/quentin-tarantino-fan-of-christopher-nolan

I think that's great.
 
I'm curious. What "deep" themes do people find present in Nolan’s work? Be specific here.

Repeating "fear" a bunch of times in Batman Begins strikes me as the opposite of deep.
 
I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.

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I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.

Good post. I love both but its Tarantino for me. This discussion is getting me in the mood to re-watch some of their films. I need to re-watch Memento sometime soon. Its Nolan's best film. I re-watched Pulp Fiction and some of Tarantino's other films recently enough so I will probably focus on Nolan more when re-watching their movies.
 
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What I'm finding interesting about Tarantino at present as how he's turned his attention largely away from the white male protagonist and towards larger cultural explorations, largely of the oppressed. Jackie Brown, The Bride, the women of Death Proof, Shoshanna, and Django are not your typical protagonists. There's a larger theme in Tarantino ' s works as a result of that exploration.

That Tarantino does that without being didactic or lecturing is an accomplishment.
He does the way it's supposed to be done. Treats everyone like they're humans, not like they're genders or races
 
I also remember Quentin saying in an interview that his movies has a lot of themes but his job is not to show or explain them, but to hide them. Completely the opposite of Nolan. Not saying one approach is better than the other though.
 
I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.

Great post. I completely agree. I'd argue that Tarantino themes tend to have one common theme since Jackie Brown, and its underestimation of a minority group, whether its a woman, an african-American, an African American woman, or Jewish woman, he likes going with leads that aren't commonly used which ties into other serious themes.
 
I completely disagree about Nolan's themes being deeper, they're just more obvious, you have every character saying what it is throghout the movie, The Dark Knight's ending is the best example. Quentin Tarantino on the other hand doesn't go after just one theme, he makes a full living world where almost every new character that appears brings something new worth discussing. In Pulp Fiction for example you get 3 main stories, each one with completely different themes and ideas.

Inglourious Basterds too gives us a different subject worth talking about in every chapter, while racism is a prevalent theme in most of them, we also get to see perspectives from people not fighting at the moment, and even a bit of self-awareness towards violence at the end, as the nazis were laughing at a movie featuring a soldier of theirs killing enemies, while soon after, we (the audience) are laughing at them being killed, which makes the situation kinda weirder. Jackie Brown also has the prevalent theme of age, but it doesn't tell that to us straight forward.

Saying Tarantino has less themes than Nolan is completely missing the point of his films, it's like saying Spielberg is better than Scorcese, just because you can more easily spot what the themes in Spielberg's films are (i do enjoy spielberg more though).

These two are some of my favorite Directors, but on the whole i find Tarantino's work better and with more worth analysing and finding in repeated viewings, while with Nolan, it might seem we will learn with rewatches, but in the end, the main themes were all shown in obvious ways.

Cosigned. Nolan is an essay writer. He makes movies about an idea, and he argues his points until he gets them across clearly. Tarantino, on the other hand, crafts narratives that are exploratory in nature, and, in the process, he makes films that end up saying a whole lot about a great number of different ideas.
 
Two of my least favorite filmmakers.

I don't like any of Nolan's films and the only ones from Tarantino I like are Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs (which he actually ripped off from a 1987 Hong Kong Cinema flick called City on Fire).

I find them both very pretentious, but especially Nolan.

Nolan's films are full of hamfisted social commentary and Tarantino follows the same formula every time (take a dead fiction genre, revive it with ultraviolence and witty one-liners, pat self on back for being so clever).

To be fair to Nolan I have never seen the Prestige or Insomnia, and I skipped the last two Tarantino films as well.

But yeah, at least Tarantino has Pulp Fiction and a mostly stolen Reservoir Dogs on his resume. So get rid of Nolan.
 
Not a difficult choice for me, but I acknowledge Tarantino's genius.

Tarantino recaptured and modernized pulp exploitation filmmaking to become relevant again. He is a towering figure of American cinema. Somehow he can make a bunch of strangers sitting around talking complete **** entertaining. I loved Hateful 8. Pulp Fiction is pure magic.

Personally, my favourite Tarantino work was his story which was turned into True Romance by Tony Scott.

In contrast Basterds and Django did very little for me.

In some ways the comparison is a bit apples and oranges, Nolan explores very different themes in his films. His visual style is distinctive and breathtaking.

What would the landscape of american cinema be like without Tarantino ? I believe it would be pretty much the same, although John Travolta's comeback might not have been quite the same.

Without Nolan, well I feel like the 2000s would be missing something.
 
Nolan is the better director.

Taratino is the better writer.

End.
 
Not a difficult choice for me, but I acknowledge Tarantino's genius.

Tarantino recaptured and modernized pulp exploitation filmmaking to become relevant again. He is a towering figure of American cinema. Somehow he can make a bunch of strangers sitting around talking complete **** entertaining. I loved Hateful 8. Pulp Fiction is pure magic.

Personally, my favourite Tarantino work was his story which was turned into True Romance by Tony Scott.

In contrast Basterds and Django did very little for me.

In some ways the comparison is a bit apples and oranges, Nolan explores very different themes in his films. His visual style is distinctive and breathtaking.

What would the landscape of american cinema be like without Tarantino ? I believe it would be pretty much the same, although John Travolta's comeback might not have been quite the same.

Without Nolan, well I feel like the 2000s would be missing something.


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Go back to 1993 and see what was in theaters. Then check out the output post Pulp Fiction. Does Nolan have a certain amount of influence? Sure. No doubt. Visually lots have been trying to recreate his neo-classicist sense of cinematography and impeccable, if somewhat sterile production design. But I think you are not quite remembering the effect Tarantino's work had when it came out, and what it still has today, on what can be done with dialog, character and narrative. I dare say that without works like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, that you don't get a Memento or a Prestige, full stop.
 
QT gave a voice to indie film making that one could succeed commercially with the correct backing (appreciate that looks very different these days in terms of Miramax) and gave rise to the belief writers could be recognised as a worthwhile talent, leading to directing & producing. Nolan is a generation behind and there's no doubt he benefitted from the likes of QT's breakthrough.
 
Nolan by a huge margin for me, and even that is an understatement. :D

Like I'd trade The Prestige alone for the whole Tarantino's filmography, and even that is an understatement. :funny:
 
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Go back to 1993 and see what was in theaters. Then check out the output post Pulp Fiction. Does Nolan have a certain amount of influence? Sure. No doubt. Visually lots have been trying to recreate his neo-classicist sense of cinematography and impeccable, if somewhat sterile production design. But I think you are not quite remembering the effect Tarantino's work had when it came out, and what it still has today, on what can be done with dialog, character and narrative. I dare say that without works like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, that you don't get a Memento or a Prestige, full stop.


We will have to agree to disagree. I remember 1993 in cinema extremely well. Schindler's List, Jurassic Park, The Crying Game.... lots of great films that owed nothing to QT. I also remember that after Pulp Fiction a lot of Tarantino imitators popped up, a lot of them crap.

As for Nolan, he was making indie films in the later 90s, after Tarantino.
Somehow I doubt that if Tarantino never come along that Nolan would never have developed his own nonlinear narrative structure.

I say this because at his core Nolan is a very British filmmaker. His style , tone and sensibilities are so different than Tarantino's that it's difficult to argue that Tarantino has influenced him at all.

As for the nonlinear narrative technique, it was not invented by Tarantino, although he made it popular in the 1990s.

Would we have got Memento or the Prestige without Pulp Fiction? IMO absolutely.

I would argue that Kubrick would be a much bigger influence on Nolan than anything Tarantino has done.

Ultimately, I respect Tarantino's work, but prefer Nolan.
 
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