Cop Gone Wild

[Sandman138]

Your forgetting the little things....like CITY PROPERTY.

His identification is not the property of the city. He paid the fee to acquire it, it is his property. Now, the officer may have been in his rights to make the kid leave, I'm guessing he wasn't because that never entered the conversation.

 

[X-Punisher]

facists

 

[Mike_D202]

I agree, I'm not trying to defend the officer's actions. I'm just saying that the kid isnt totally innocent here. For all we could know, the kid could have had previous run-ins with this officer in the past making snide remarks towards him. Or in fact, he could have been circling the parking lot and the officer could have told him that the area was being watched. Then went and grabbed a camera.

The camera gets turned on, then bam: when theres a confrontation in a city parking lot where crimes have been commited and under investigation, it gets heated when the kid gets snide with him.

 

[zanos]

Considering this guy had a camera with audio turned on in his car I would have acted in a way that would have led the officer to get physical with me and eventually arrest me but without actually doing anything illegal myself. I'm looking for a payday and this would have guaranteed that.

 

[carrrnuttt]

I agree, I'm not trying to defend the officer's actions. I'm just saying that the kid isnt totally innocent here. For all we could know, the kid could have had previous run-ins with this officer in the past making snide remarks towards him. Or in fact, he could have been circling the parking lot and the officer could have told him that the area was being watched. Then went and grabbed a camera.

The camera gets turned on, then bam: when theres a confrontation in a city parking lot where crimes have been commited and under investigation, it gets heated when the kid gets snide with him.

ALL speculation brah. Speculation aimed to lessen the impact of the situation against the officer, and direct some of the onus of the situation towards the victim in this case.

And you say you aren't defending the officer?

One thing that isn't speculation is that the cop was a dick.

It's also not speculation that we do NOT have to answer any questions a police officer asks. It's not speculation that EVERY officer who passes a POST (Peace Officer Standards and Training) exam knows this, and is trained PROPERLY on how to handle an uncooperative subject, which doesn't include threatening to frame them for crimes he/she did not commit.

 

[Mike_D202]

If you dont produce identification, he can be detained until his identification can be clarified.

P.O.S.T. doesnt apply to EVERY state, each state has they're own sets of laws. Not that it means that police officers can do what this ******* done, but I'm just stating the fact. Michigan has MCOLES for example.

All I'm saying is that if your gonna be close minded and just saw what was on the tape, then your being ignorant. This kid tried suing the station for $$$ when an "assault" took place with another officer, and now this kid just so happens to turn on a night vision camera and drive right into a parking lot and right past a police officer? And apparenlty he was picking up his friend in an EMPTY parking lot?! It was late at night and the kid parked in an empty parking lot being patrolled by a police officer (which was plainly obvious), and I'm not totally sure how the law is in Missouri but In Michigan, you cant have your stereo blaring - which could have been used to bait the officer as well.

The kid might as well just have done this:

 

[carrrnuttt]

If you dont produce identification, he can be detained until his identification can be clarified.

Wow. You are obtuse. The kid HAD identification to produce. He simply wanted to know if he was in particular trouble before he produced it, which is a valid question.

If the cop had Probable Cause, then he simply had to state what the Cause was. He immediately started yelling after the kid responded to his statement that he was a "suspicous vehicle" after the kid asked "I am What?" which I am sure most would agree is a natural reaction.

The officer simply had to repeat what he had already said, and iterated that Probable Cause applies due to the situation, and that he was well within his rights to ask for ID.

See, at this point, if the kid still did not comply, which compounds the suspicious nature of the situation, he can then order the kid to get out of the car, and give him fair warning that he can be detained for failing to produce proper ID. After such a warning, and still no compliance, THEN the officer can order the kid to turn around, and instruct him that he is getting restrained for the safety of all involved, including the kid's, while he searches for identification.

Probable Cause escalated. With no one else to blame but the kid, whether he was baiting or not. He is then subject to interfering with an investigation. He can properly hang himself if he insists on being belligerent, as the latter involves arrest, and resisting arrest is the next step.

Don't tell me that MCOLES doesn't have this, or a similar procedure?

Instead, he decided to stick his head in the car and start yelling. Since you sound like an officer, or at least are somewhat familiar with the procedures, does this sound like a smart thing to you? What if his suspicions were correct? Sticking your head into a suspicious vehicle without backup?

After that, what did he do? He ordered the kid out of the car, right, but he went and antagonized the kid. He then responds to the kid's juvenile WORDS with even more juvenile responses. Not just juvenile, CRIMINAL.

 

[Addendum]

The cop should lose his job.

All the kid did was park in a 24 hour parking lot at night. He used a turn signal twice, once to make the right turn where the officer could see the turn signal, and a left turn when inside the lot.

The officer was the one who got the attitude with the kid, when the kid responded to the officer's question with "what, I'm not allowed to park here?"

 

[Fred_Fury]

How dare the kid exercize his rights! HOW DARE HE!

 

[hammy]

The kid might as well just have done this:

Another example of a cop over-reacting.

 

[bullets]

its the god complex

 

[Deep Thinkin'!]

The kid might as well just have done this:

What you smokin'?

 

[Sandman138]

I agree, I'm not trying to defend the officer's actions. I'm just saying that the kid isnt totally innocent here. For all we could know, the kid could have had previous run-ins with this officer in the past making snide remarks towards him. Or in fact, he could have been circling the parking lot and the officer could have told him that the area was being watched. Then went and grabbed a camera.

The camera gets turned on, then bam: when theres a confrontation in a city parking lot where crimes have been commited and under investigation, it gets heated when the kid gets snide with him.

Well then the cop is just an idiot, isn't he?

 

[Addendum]

Where exactly did the kid get "snide" anyway? Was it when he asked a question?

 

[Alpha and Omega]

Hmmm, thankless, low-income position where the occupant does 60-80+hrs / weekly. You do the math on how long it will take for more officers to crack and put some rounds through a citizen's skull.

Oh yeah, somewhere's. . . Sen. Craig is trying to use this as an excuse to claim that he wasn't really trying to solicit that cop gone wild.

 

[Mike_D202]

Its a sad world we live in Alpha and Omega when people feel sorry for little keniving teen-angst asshats for being treated like how he WANTED for his little movie.

People were saying that another cop over-reacted when he got a salt-burger from McDonalds in another thread. When your a police officer, the duty obviously comes with a lot of patience. But sometimes people crack under the disrespect from the younger generation who think they're some kind of nazis, especially when they receive psychological backhands from society upholding the law..no matter how silly the law is.

With that said, I will say this probably for the 10th time in this thread: I was not defending the officer who lost his cool in this situation, I was looking at it from a different perspective. And that perspective is this: the kid tried suing the department for $$$ for an alleged assault. The case was dropped. Now he goes to a vacant parking lot late at night with a police car in plain view watching the area with his music blaring and night-vision camera on..then parks it and sits there until the cop pulls up behind him and then refuses to answer his questions. He baited, the cop bit, and the goal has been achieved.

 

[carrrnuttt]

the kid tried suing the department for $$$ for an alleged assault. The case was dropped.

I drive a 2002 Nissan Maxima as my commuter vehicle.

"How is that relevant?" you ask. Because I have read this kid's story firsthand.

The kid in question was a member of a forum called Maxima.org. He DID get assaulted by an off duty, wasted cop who chased after him after he made a U-turn. The off duty cop ended up getting out gun drawn when they both pulled into a parking lot. Mind you, the cop was in civies, in his POV. The kid ended up defending himself with a Police issue baton that he had (illegally, of course).

He was arrested at first for assaulting an officer and for the weapon he wasn't supposed to have. But when all the facts of the case came out, all charges were dropped.

He DIDN'T sue the city. You know why? They pre-empted him, and gave him an undisclosed sum so that he wouldn't sue and make the issue public instead.

Your presumptions are getting ridiculous.

As you have probably deducted right now, I have had experience with being an LEO.

Instead of "hating on" the kid, why not thank him for weeding out ****birds like the one in the video, before he actually causes some real damage?

Is your guilty conscience unconsciously guiding you to defend the officer in this case? Okay fine. You're "not defending" him. How about "Is your guilty conscience unconsciously guiding you to antagonize the victim in this case?

 

[Mike_D202]

Ohhh, so the kid told you this personally then? I guess that makes it okay.

If you go back and re-read my posts, I even say "I applaud the kid for baiting out a bad cop, but I'm not gonna send him flowers for how the cop treated him."

 

[carrrnuttt]

If you go back and re-read my posts, I even say "I applaud the kid for baiting out a bad cop, but I'm not gonna send him flowers for how the cop treated him."

If you know ANYTHING about investigating, then you [should] know that pre-supposing anything about any party's intentions without supporting evidence is what gets you in trouble, and innocent people in jail.

Basically, at this point, you are simply inventing/imagining this kid's motivations. Why? To make yourself feel better about something?

There is a large issue here: The issue of a bad cop, and apparently, a bad department.

All you're doing is deflecting from the larger, ACTUAL issue, by focusing on a contrived, but inherently minor issue.

What ARE you trying to make yourself feel better about?

 

[chaseter]

I hate cops...

 

[sinewave]

Its a sad world we live in Alpha and Omega when people feel sorry for little keniving teen-angst asshats for being treated like how he WANTED for his little movie.

People were saying that another cop over-reacted when he got a salt-burger from McDonalds in another thread. When your a police officer, the duty obviously comes with a lot of patience. But sometimes people crack under the disrespect from the younger generation who think they're some kind of nazis, especially when they receive psychological backhands from society upholding the law..no matter how silly the law is.

With that said, I will say this probably for the 10th time in this thread: I was not defending the officer who lost his cool in this situation, I was looking at it from a different perspective. And that perspective is this: the kid tried suing the department for $$$ for an alleged assault. The case was dropped. Now he goes to a vacant parking lot late at night with a police car in plain view watching the area with his music blaring and night-vision camera on..then parks it and sits there until the cop pulls up behind him and then refuses to answer his questions. He baited, the cop bit, and the goal has been achieved.

maybe the younger generation would have more respect for cops if *******s like this guy weren't so prevalent within their ranks. i've seen too many cops who only got into that line of work for the amount authority they gained from it. most of them aren't intelligent or emotionally mature enough to handle that level of authority and cases like this are the result.

 

[Mike_D202]

What ARE you trying to make yourself feel better about?

LOL I'm not trying to make myself feel better about anything, your the one that seems upset with me that I dont believe the kid's motives are totally innocent.

maybe the younger generation would have more respect for cops if *******s like this guy weren't so prevalent within their ranks.

Thats like saying "we have no respect for american soldiers cause they rape women in other countries" when thats not the case and only a few bad apples.

I've seen too many videos of teen punks purposely pushing authority figure's buttons to gain a reaction for film. Now everybody is suprised that a cop flipped his lid?!

Was the police officer in the wrong? YES. Do I agree with his actions? NO.

 

[sinewave]

Thats like saying "we have no respect for american soldiers cause they rape women in other countries" when thats not the case and only a few bad apples.

I've seen too many videos of teen punks purposely pushing authority figure's buttons to gain a reaction for film. Now everybody is suprised that a cop flipped his lid?!

Was the police officer in the wrong? YES. Do I agree with his actions? NO.

it doesn't matter that it's a relative few who behave this way, what matters is the amount of instances like this that get exposure. if a great deal of people are already fearful and leery of the authority that the police wield, when stuff like this happens it's just re-enforcing those concerns and fueling more anti-police attitudes. cops are like any other public servants, they should always maintain a level of professionalism when they're performing their duties. if a guy is going to fly off the handle because he thinks someone is being a smartass then he probably shouldn't be dealing with the public. that's how a lot people see cops, as corrupt authoritarians who act as though they're above the law. it doesn't matter that it may be only a small amount of cops who act that way. until there are no more instances like this one, cops are always going to be seen this way by a large chunk of the population.

 

[carrrnuttt]

LOL I'm not trying to make myself feel better about anything, your the one that seems upset with me that I dont believe the kid's motives are totally innocent.

Then why are you insisting on making the kid in question as bad as you can possibly portray him?

Did some teens piss you off on your beat/patrol? Can't take it anymore? Maybe you need to break away?

I know I did. I went back to college.

ARE you an LEO? Or are you a rent-a-cop who's been harrassed by teens one-too-many times?

 

[Mike_D202]

Then why are you insisting on making the kid in question as bad as you can possibly portray him?

Did some teens piss you off on your beat/patrol? Can't take it anymore? Maybe you need to break away?

I know I did. I went back to college.

ARE you an LEO? Or are you a rent-a-cop who's been harrassed by teens one-too-many times?

I think you need to take a breather from this discussion before you pop a blood vessel.

If you cant see that the kid went there looking for trouble then you have no justification for your debate. I agree that the police officer was a dick and should have never done/said those things, and hes getting his punishment. But I also agree that the kid just didnt turn on his night-vision camcorder out of the blue before turning into a vacant parking lot being patrolled by a police officer blaring his music to garner his attention, then not complying to the questions being asked...just to pick up his friend that was never there and didnt seem to materialize even after the incident occured.

And its none of your business what I do for a living, obviously your the kind of person that cant stand it when somebody doesnt agree with them then resort to personal attacks.