Cop killer on the run calls out to celebs

I don't understand why anyone thinks this is justifiable to get attention drawn to the corruption of the LAPD.

First, the corruption of the LAPD isn't a secret. Let's not act like this guy revealed a well kept secret.

Second, through his actions, if he had any credibility as a whistleblower or a witness, he's pretty much lost it now. Whether he's crazy or not, he's made himself look like an absolute nutjob. He's taken the focus OFF the LAPD's actions and put it on HIMSELF. That's what the media will delve into, not the LAPD's actions and recent history.

It boggles the mind that people don't understand this.
 
It's nothing new. Bad guys like Dorner have been romanticized throughout history. Bonnie and Clyde are probably the best example. People take the most basic facts about a person (or persons) and turn them into some sort of folk hero. If they even took a moment to put some actual thought into what they're saying they'd realize there's nothing even remotely heroic about people like Christopher Dorner. Dorner is a murderer, a taker of innocent life. Anything beyond that shouldn't even be taken into consideration, his motives are completely irrelevant.
 
Out of curiosity, has any evidence been released that clearly proves Dorner actually killed his ex-captain's daughter and fiance? And he more or less has already owned up to killing those 2 cops...right?
 
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Out of curiosity, has any evidence been released that clearly proves Dorner actually killed his ex-captain's daughter and fiance? And he more or less has already owned up to killing those 2 cops...right?

No that's been established by the media and public outrage already so no trail or investigation needed.
 
I don't understand why anyone thinks this is justifiable to get attention drawn to the corruption of the LAPD.

First, the corruption of the LAPD isn't a secret. Let's not act like this guy revealed a well kept secret.

Second, through his actions, if he had any credibility as a whistleblower or a witness, he's pretty much lost it now. Whether he's crazy or not, he's made himself look like an absolute nutjob. He's taken the focus OFF the LAPD's actions and put it on HIMSELF. That's what the media will delve into, not the LAPD's actions and recent history.

It boggles the mind that people don't understand this.
He went to many channels to bring attention to the racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD including the media and was shut down every time.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK
 
He went to many channels to bring attention to the racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD including the media and was shut down every time.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK

Ah but he didn't try Hollywood...until now.
 
He went to many channels to bring attention to the racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD including the media and was shut down every time.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK

I don't think JFK was talking about murdering innocent civilians when he said that.
 
No that's been established by the media and public outrage already so no trail or investigation needed.

As a culture, we really need to spend more on quality education through taxes and other means...because, for example, this culture of "someone said, so it must be true because i like drama" or "the news said so it must be true," ignoring the fact that the major 24 hour news outlets are out for ratings and report things incorrectly all the time in order to be the first to say it...I often see a lot of these knee-jerk reactions and it's not intelligent.

now, back to the issue at hand...from Dorner's manifesto...this does sound contradictory:

"To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older, you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who lost their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf's. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer."

but he then goes on to say "I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours."

Makes it sound like he's saying "hey kids and family members of corrupt cops, they are bad people...oh btw I'm going to kill you too because I'm actually a total dick and all my talk of morals and clearing my name is bullcrap." Though he could be stating "I'm terminating yours by killing the corrupt cop in your family" and not the entire family...time will tell I guess.

CNN goes on to state "This is perhaps the most direct threat, one that police say Dorner has carried out already.

He is telling LAPD officers that he will target their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and children. He names some of them, including retired officer Randy Quan, whose daughter may have been the first victim."

So yeah...that doesn't sound good. It's still possible he didn't kill those innocent people...for all we know some corrupt cops did it and are blaming it on him...which, according, to him as well as some actions we've witnessed from the LAPD, sounds within the realm of possibility.

In any case anyone here who doesn't doubt either side (cops or Dorner) to some degree and is 100% on one side...well they can't possibly know 100% so they are kidding themselves. The only side I'm 100% on is innocent people (civilians, cops, you name it) and I hope Dorner gets captured and this all stops.
 
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]He went to many channels to bring attention to the racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD including the media and was shut down every time.

Then he was shut down and he should have tried other means. Instead, he chose to go on a killing spree, and any credibility he would have had in terms of addressing the issue is more or less gone.

Again, telling the media that there's racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD isn't new. People have known about it for decades. And there are two sides to every story.
 
I don't think JFK was talking about murdering innocent civilians when he said that.

Well if he did it I think is was a gross mistake on his part.

but revolution is only picture perfect in the story books.

It often takes scary people to get their hands dirty.
 
Then he was shut down and he should have tried other means. Instead, he chose to go on a killing spree, and any credibility he would have had in terms of addressing the issue is more or less gone.

Again, telling the media that there's racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD isn't new. People have known about it for decades. And there are two sides to every story.

This is exactly the problem and why a radical solution was bound to be attempted at some point.
 
Well,one of the most important revolution in American history, the freedom riders, managed to force an important change without uisng violence.

So it can be done.
 
Well if he did it I think is was a gross mistake on his part.

but revolution is only picture perfect in the story books.

It often takes scary people to get their hands dirty.

Are you saying Dorner is leading some sort of one-man revolution?

Actually, scratch that. What I really want to know is, when everything boils down to it, do you personally believe that killing innocent civilians is morally justifiable under any given circumstances? Based off your posts so far it certainly seems like the answer would be yes, although I'm sincerely hoping the discussion has just become over-complicated and your answer is no.
 
He went to many channels to bring attention to the racism, corruption and abuse in the LAPD including the media and was shut down every time.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK

Stop using historical quotes as if they somehow pertain to this piece of trash. He's nothing but a killer.
 
So yeah...that doesn't sound good. It's still possible he didn't kill those innocent people...for all we know some corrupt cops did it and are blaming it on him...which, according, to him as well as some actions we've witnessed from the LAPD, sounds within the realm of possibility.

You think it's possible corrupt cops randomly killed some woman and her fiance and then decided to frame an ex-cop they didn't have any reason to hate yet?
 
You think it's possible corrupt cops randomly killed some woman and her fiance and then decided to frame an ex-cop they didn't have any reason to hate yet?

Anything's possible in Hollywoodland.
 
Are you saying Dorner is leading some sort of one-man revolution?

Actually, scratch that. What I really want to know is, when everything boils down to it, do you personally believe that killing innocent civilians is morally justifiable under any given circumstances? Based off your posts so far it certainly seems like the answer would be yes, although I'm sincerely hoping the discussion has just become over-complicated and your answer is no.

Could Dorner's action result in social revolution? It's possible. Alot of eyes and minds are watching this play out and thinking about what they'd be willing to do to impact change.

I'm against torture (which the government does), I'm against police brutality/abuse, I'm against racism, I'm against any police state, I'm against corruption, and yes I'm against murder (including the death penalty and most wars).

But Dorner is allegedly guilty of one of those things and the LAPD is guilty of just about all of them. So why should I root for the LAPD to capture or kill him?
 
You didn't answer my question.

Do you personally believe that killing innocent civilians is morally justifiable under any given circumstances?

Yes or no.
 
Could Dorner's action result in social revolution? It's possible. Alot of eyes and minds are watching this play out and thinking about what they'd be willing to do to impact change.

As a cautionary/tragic/what-not-to-do/evil-begets-evil reaction, sure. As inspiration, no.





Unless it stars The Rock.
 
Going on a killing spree and murdering innocent civilians is not a revolution to impact change, it's being a crazy lone gunman and eradicating any shred of moral credibility you had to try to expose the corruption you were fighting against once upon a time.

If you watch this and think to yourself "gee, I wonder what I'd be willing to do to impact change....I know! I'll go to the grocery store down the street and shoot everyone! FIGHT THE MAN!", then you've got a few screws loose.
 
The LAPD is not corrupt, some officers within the LAPD are corrupt, get it straight, and NONE of it has anything to do with what this guy is doing, this attempt to paint him as anything but the scum he is, is ridiculous, it's like saying the Columbine killers were just sticking it to the bullies and high school cliques..
 
I'm just done with this thread, because I can't read the inane ramblings of a mentally five-year-old boy who's watched Rambo and/or Dirty Harry too many times anymore.
 
I'm just done with this thread, because I can't read the inane ramblings of a mentally deficient five-year-old boy who's watched Rambo and/or Dirty Harry too many times anymore.

Oh sure...go ahead and turn your back on the needy...you and your big brain cells in a position of rational authority, you'll get yours and let's see who's laughing then...!
 
Stop using historical quotes as if they somehow pertain to this piece of trash. He's nothing but a killer.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Can I use that one?

Cause that's the reason this is bound to remain a divisive issue. I wouldn't have it any other way. People need to realize there may come a time when a person labeled a domestic terrorist may have similar moral reasoning as a large segment of the American population.

Because it will happen again and next time you may be the one who sees a "terrorist" as a potential freedom fighter.

and the government is preparing for it.
 
How does going around shooting innocent civilians make Dorner a freedom fighter?

Murdering the captain's daughter and her fiance is not striking a blow against LAPD corruption.

You really have no idea what you're talking about at all.
 

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