Sequels Could a Sinister Six work in the MCU

[Tg11]

The 6 definitely would make sense and for them to show up one by one well have like 2 of the villains show up in the Homecoming sequel and I nominate Kraven and Mysterio

 

[MbJ]

Spoiler

Given the ending, I don't necessarily know if Toomes would be back. He seemed to be protecting Spider-Man's identity out of gratitude, so I can't see him joining a team of guys who are trying to kill him.

Scorpion is a definite, Shocker will likely be back and they could have Tinkerer providing tech again (but maybe not an actual member of the team). He could be the one to provide Scorpion's suit and another gauntlet for Shocker to complete the set.

Kraven would be a good addition. Maybe a non-sucky version of the Rhino.

 

[metaphysician]

Spoiler

Given the ending, I don't necessarily know if Toomes would be back. He seemed to be protecting Spider-Man's identity out of gratitude, so I can't see him joining a team of guys who are trying to kill him.

Scorpion is a definite, Shocker will likely be back and they could have Tinkerer providing tech again (but maybe not an actual member of the team). He could be the one to provide Scorpion's suit and another gauntlet for Shocker to complete the set.

Kraven would be a good addition. Maybe a non-sucky version of the Rhino.

Two thoughts on this matter:

Spoiler

One, I suspect that, while Toombes isn't going to be joining any Sinister Six, his operations tech and techie probably *will* factor in, as you suggested. After all, the Tinkerer is still on the loose, and they've apparently been supplying blackmarket supertech for quite a while. That can serve as an origin factor for villains well beyond the ones in the movie itself.

Two, I kind of hope Sony doesn't get dickish, because Toombes? Would be a *perfect* candidate for another team of villains: the Thunderbolts. Either the "we're basically the Suicide Squad" version, or the "Supervillain Work-Release Program" version. He's got that mix of legitimate villainous vices, plus legitimate respectable virtues, to produce good drama.

 

[writer0327]

The movie already had 3 of the 6. Not a stretch to think they could get 3 more.

Indeed. As soon as I saw the end credits, that's exactly where my mind went. These "friends" Gargan was referring to...? Who else could they be?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Spoiler

Given the ending, I don't necessarily know if Toomes would be back. He seemed to be protecting Spider-Man's identity out of gratitude, so I can't see him joining a team of guys who are trying to kill him.

Scorpion is a definite, Shocker will likely be back and they could have Tinkerer providing tech again (but maybe not an actual member of the team). He could be the one to provide Scorpion's suit and another gauntlet for Shocker to complete the set.

Kraven would be a good addition. Maybe a non-sucky version of the Rhino.

Maybe it's just me; I saw things very different. The look Toomes utterly gave Gargan after the suggestion that Toomes might know the identity of Spidey, imo was sheer, unabated angst, when Toomes subtle lean toward Gargan, and suggested, "if he did, he would be dead".

I undoubtedly got the impression, that Toomes does not want anyone to get their hands on Spidey, while he's locked up...because, he appear to have no plans on rotten in jail...with the comment to Gargan about having, "a date with seeing his family". Not the ones moving to Oregon; the other ones(criminal family:Mason, Herman, others on the team).

I know the feeling is that Toomes spared Spidey's identity, because Pete saved his & Liz life, on separate occasions...i'm not buying that. Toomes is after revenge. Lets take a look at it from Toomes perspective:*1st, he already gave Pete the "ONE" freebie for saving Liz...which he knew Peter would ignore & still come after him, reason why Shocker was Plan B.*2nd, not only did Peter ruin a successful business, that they where getting away with for a number of years, on top of stopping the latest big score against Stark plane, Peter also garnered the attention of Tony & the feds...Toomes, who wasn't before, is now a known federal criminal...he has no more "traditional family" life anymore. That's all gone.*Finally, on a personal matter, Toomes did not take it to well that Peter was doing an intern with the guy he despises more, Tony Stark...the guy he blame for ruining his legitimate business.*

 

[Tg11]

So either way that is why I think Toomes will be back in future sequels I mean it is inevitable

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I didn't think about his "family" visitors being the crew.

Spoiler

After all, his real family moving to Oregon. He didn't want them there, Liz said it herself.

 

[Guard82]

A Sinister Six in the MCU could certainly work if the groundwork for it is laid carefully and intelligently over time, introducing the different villains who would be a part of the group. They should avoid going the route that Sony was going back during the "Amazing Spider-Man" franchise days, because they were rushing everything and doing it nonsensically. I have more confidence that Marvel could guide the process in a way that makes a group of villains feel natural and organic.

I would prefer that they use Spidey villains who have never before appeared in movies prior to Homecoming. So that means that Vulture and Shocker can return, and they can add a few more villains who haven't been seen on the big screen before. My MCU Sinister Six lineup would be: Vulture, Shocker, Scorpion, Chameleon, Kraven, and Mysterio.

 

[FVD]

I would prefer that they use Spidey villains who have never before appeared in movies prior to Homecoming. So that means that Vulture and Shocker can return, and they can add a few more villains who haven't been seen on the big screen before. My MCU Sinister Six lineup would be: Vulture, Shocker, Scorpion, Chameleon, Kraven, and Mysterio.

Somehow, Chameleon, Kraven and Mysterio would be ideal as Chameleon already has had connections to the other two in the comics. Is Chameleon still related to Kraven in the comics? That all been said, I would still prefer Doc Ock to still lead the Six though. Maybe he could be the one who creates the Scorpion suit for Gargan, as much as I want to see him involved with Jameson.

 

[Dasher10]

Just look at who's able to be part of the Six and why they'd join using the five-man band trope.

Vulture - The Leader. Knows how to run a team of villains. Leads a jailbreak and unites a team of villains.

Kraven - The Lancer. Expert tracker. Defeated Spider-Man and The Lizard in his own film and lived to tell about it. Joins the team since they need him as he actually knows how to defeat Spider-Man.

Scorpion - The Big Guy. Loose cannon. Bipolar with anger issues. Is impulsive and tends to completely ruin everybody else's plans but he provides the brawn that the team needs to be effective. Still winds up being sympathetic since he does have legitimate mental illness and his powers are slowly killing him. In it for revenge on Spider-Man.

Mysterio - The Smart Guy. Former special effects artist turned master thief. Lacks history with Spider-Man but is in it for the sheer thrill of it, along with the promise of money.

Shocker - The Heart. Team player. Resourceful. Keeps the others focused and in line. Provides ranged firepower in a fight and this time around gets two shocker gauntlets and a comic-accurate costume.


Venom - Sixth Ranger. Dangerous vigilante who wants to finally confront/eat Spider-Man and joins with the Sinister Six after their jailbreak since they share a common goal. Is more than a bit of a loner. Openly admits that he plans to murder the other five once Spider-Man is defeated.

And the Black Cat and Silver Sable are tasked with hunting down these dangerous fugitives despite them being the only ones capable of taking down the Spider-Queen.

Act 1- Jailbreak, Spider-Queen defeats Spider-Man and turns him into a Man-Spider, Black Cat and Silver Sable are hired by the NYPD to track down Spider-Man, fugitives meet Venom and form the Sinister Six only to see a newscast where they see a mutated Spider-Man controlled by the Spider-Queen.

Act 2 - Black Cat and Silver Sable do battle with the Sinister Six while the Spider-Queen starts creating an army of werespiders. The Sinister Six need to learn to put aside their differences and work together as a team since they're the only ones who can stop the Spider-Queen frequently clashing with both werespiders and

Act 3 - Sinister Six reach truce with Black Cat and Silver Sable. They manage to defeat Spider-Queen with Venom mortally wounding her. Spider-Queen grows to en enormous size and starts destroying Manhattan's financial district. Mysterio distracts her with an equally huge image of himself while Vulture flies himself and Venom into her mouth before bursting out of her. All the werespiders revert to being human again, including Peter Parker. Spider-Man fights the Sinister Six since they are still crooks and defeats all of them, leading to imprisonment in The Raft.

And this film could be done as early as 2021.

Look at where each gets introduced

2017 - Vulture, Shocker, Scorpion

2018 - Venom

2019 - Rematch with Scorpion and the Silver and Black film

2020 - Mysterio and Kraven spin-offs

2021 - Spider-Man 3 and another spin-off needed.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

I get the feeling that it's the route they're going for with these films, which makes me so stoked.
I am assuming Vulture, Scorpion, and Hobgoblin will be involved.

 

[Dasher10]

I get the feeling that it's the route they're going for with these films, which makes me so stoked.
I am assuming Vulture, Scorpion, and Hobgoblin will be involved.

Why Hobgoblin? He requires Norman Osborn to be the main villain for a film but it doesn't look like we'll see him any time soon since Marvel and Sony both said that they're interested in other villains for the time being and have little interested in the Green Goblin since he was part of the first two series. IMO, this is what's likely to happen with Sony's corner of the MCU.

2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming - Vulture and Shocker

2018
Venom - Carnage

2019
Silver and Black - not sure
Spider-Man 2 - Scorpion

That's confirmed.

Here's the speculation for the future.

2020

Mysterio's Menace - Silvermane

Kraven's Last Hunt - Lizard (and Spider-Man as antagonist in first five minutes and third act)

2021

Spider-Man: Ends of the Earth - Doctor Octopus and Spencer Smythe. (Peter Graduates High School)

Sinister Six in Spider Island: Spider-Queen (Black Cat and Silver Sable in 2nd Act, Spider-Man for last ten minutes of 3rd Act)

2022

Venom: Lethal Protector - Life Foundation Symbiotes

Sequel to Silver and Black

2023

Spider-Man: Invasion of the Spider-Slayers - Alistair Smythe. Norman Osborn briefly introduced along with his son Harry. Beginning of Phase 5 of MCU. Peter now attending ESU. Peter begins dating Gwen. Norman is the big bad of all of MCU Phase 5.

Spider-Woman - Brothers Grimm

(Can't see a sequel to Mysterio, Kraven or Sinister Six.)

2024

Spider-Man 2099 - Doc Ock 2099 as the villain

Venom Funeral Pyre - Pyre. Introduce Mania (Patricia or Andrea) as a sidekick.

2025

Spider-Man: The Goblin's Last Stand - Green Goblin. Gwen dies but Norman manages to get away with everything. Peter graduates college. Mostly setup for Avengers: Siege.

Silver and Black 3

2026

Spider-Woman 2 - Needle. Madame Web (Julia Carpenter) is a major supporting character.

Agent Venom - Crime Master. Flash Thompson becomes Venom.

2027

Spider-Man: Shadow of Evil's Past - Hobgoblin. Peter Parker is now a high school teacher in Queens. Miles Morales becomes his student/protege. It's mostly a mystery movie where we try to figure out who the Hobgoblin is but he gets away at the end and we see that it's Rod Kingsley after the credits. Ned dies. We see Donald Glover return Aaron Davis in the Prowler costume. We also meet the REAL Mary-Jane Watson. MCU Phase 6.

Anti-Venom: Nights of Vengeance - Stalkers. Eddie Brock gets an inverted version of the symbiote attached to him.

2028

Miles Morales Movie - Prowler. Assuming that Miles won't be known as Spider-Man in the comics at this point and will have his own codename which is why I'm saying, "Miles Morales Movie" instead of, "Ultimate Spider-Man."


2029

Spider-Man: The Wedding - Mister Negative. Peter and MJ tie the knot.

Venom: The Hunted - Xenophage. Eddie Brock gets the Venom symbiote back and is now having to deal with an alien who hunts symbiotes.

After this, do the Clone Saga where you still have Spider-Woman, Venom and Miles Morales doing their own thing but you also get Ben Reilly in his own spin-off series as Scarlet Spider which is intertwined with the Peter Parker films since by this point, most of the big stories have been adapted and Scarlet Spider is the only major spin-off series to not happen by this point. New villains would be Jackel (Miles Warren), Doctor Octopus (Caroline Trainer), Scorpia (Elaine Coll), Judas Traveller, Kaine, Spidercide, Scrier and eventually Norman Osborn returning. The series will be mature enough by this point that audiences can take a mystery unfolding over multiple films. The only other alternative is the supernatural stuff from the JMS run and I don't want Spider-Man going supernatural.

 

[Web-Head]

In regards to Toomes return, I wish they would've added Drago as a member of his crew and he could've taken up the mantle.

 

[Darepool]

Why Hobgoblin? He requires Norman Osborn to be the main villain for a film but it doesn't look like we'll see him any time soon since Marvel and Sony both said that they're interested in other villains for the time being and have little interested in the Green Goblin since he was part of the first two series. IMO, this is what's likely to happen with Sony's corner of the MCU.

2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming - Vulture and Shocker

2018
Venom - Carnage

2019
Silver and Black - not sure
Spider-Man 2 - Scorpion

That's confirmed.

Here's the speculation for the future.

2020

Mysterio's Menace - Silvermane

Kraven's Last Hunt - Lizard (and Spider-Man as antagonist in first five minutes and third act)

2021

Spider-Man: Ends of the Earth - Doctor Octopus and Spencer Smythe. (Peter Graduates High School)

Sinister Six in Spider Island: Spider-Queen (Black Cat and Silver Sable in 2nd Act, Spider-Man for last ten minutes of 3rd Act)

2022

Venom: Lethal Protector - Life Foundation Symbiotes

Sequel to Silver and Black

2023

Spider-Man: Invasion of the Spider-Slayers - Alistair Smythe. Norman Osborn briefly introduced along with his son Harry. Beginning of Phase 5 of MCU. Peter now attending ESU. Peter begins dating Gwen. Norman is the big bad of all of MCU Phase 5.

Spider-Woman - Brothers Grimm

(Can't see a sequel to Mysterio, Kraven or Sinister Six.)

2024

Spider-Man 2099 - Doc Ock 2099 as the villain

Venom Funeral Pyre - Pyre. Introduce Mania (Patricia or Andrea) as a sidekick.

2025

Spider-Man: The Goblin's Last Stand - Green Goblin. Gwen dies but Norman manages to get away with everything. Peter graduates college. Mostly setup for Avengers: Siege.

Silver and Black 3

2026

Spider-Woman 2 - Needle. Madame Web (Julia Carpenter) is a major supporting character.

Agent Venom - Crime Master. Flash Thompson becomes Venom.

2027

Spider-Man: Shadow of Evil's Past - Hobgoblin. Peter Parker is now a high school teacher in Queens. Miles Morales becomes his student/protege. It's mostly a mystery movie where we try to figure out who the Hobgoblin is but he gets away at the end and we see that it's Rod Kingsley after the credits. Ned dies. We see Donald Glover return Aaron Davis in the Prowler costume. We also meet the REAL Mary-Jane Watson. MCU Phase 6.

Anti-Venom: Nights of Vengeance - Stalkers. Eddie Brock gets an inverted version of the symbiote attached to him.

2028

Miles Morales Movie - Prowler. Assuming that Miles won't be known as Spider-Man in the comics at this point and will have his own codename which is why I'm saying, "Miles Morales Movie" instead of, "Ultimate Spider-Man."


2029

Spider-Man: The Wedding - Mister Negative. Peter and MJ tie the knot.

Venom: The Hunted - Xenophage. Eddie Brock gets the Venom symbiote back and is now having to deal with an alien who hunts symbiotes.

After this, do the Clone Saga where you still have Spider-Woman, Venom and Miles Morales doing their own thing but you also get Ben Reilly in his own spin-off series as Scarlet Spider which is intertwined with the Peter Parker films since by this point, most of the big stories have been adapted and Scarlet Spider is the only major spin-off series to not happen by this point. New villains would be Jackel (Miles Warren), Doctor Octopus (Caroline Trainer), Scorpia (Elaine Coll), Judas Traveller, Kaine, Spidercide, Scrier and eventually Norman Osborn returning. The series will be mature enough by this point that audiences can take a mystery unfolding over multiple films. The only other alternative is the supernatural stuff from the JMS run and I don't want Spider-Man going supernatural.

I love how your mind just continually runs like a faucet about these scenarios. lol.

 

[andymcqueen]

who would you guys cast as the Sinister Six? I would go for these guys.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Hmmmm.....I don't know about Keaton as the Vulture.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Statham as Mysterio? Awful choice

 

[Darepool]

Statham is definitely more Sandman.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

Why Hobgoblin? He requires Norman Osborn to be the main villain for a film but it doesn't look like we'll see him any time soon since Marvel and Sony both said that they're interested in other villains for the time being and have little interested in the Green Goblin since he was part of the first two series. IMO, this is what's likely to happen with Sony's corner of the MCU.

I guess I'm just anticipating what they're going to do with Ned. As Homecoming showed us, Marvel isn't going to be afraid to shy away from the source material if it means making a better story. Also, Hobgoblin is in the Sinister Six in the comics, so I wouldn't say it's completely out of the question. This is purely speculation, though.

 

[2kt09]

Statham is definitely more Sandman.

He's more Kraven with his skill set.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I've always saw Jason Statham as the Chameleon...besides, it would give Chameleon a little more umf when fighting.

 

[Darepool]

He's more Kraven with his skill set.

It's the acting that would kill it for me. I'd want a guy with a big personality, an expressive performer who could be charismatic and flamboyant as well as a purely physical grunt.

 

[Dasher10]

Also, here's who I'd choose for Spider-Man's villains.

Tombstone - Denzel Washington
Doc Ock - Bryan Cranston
Shriek - Aisha Tyler
Silvermane - Joe Pesci
Carnage - Cameron Monaghan (and he wants the part, too)
Alistair Smythe - Jim Parsons
Calypso - Cynthia Addai-Robinson
Beetle/Mach - DeRon Horton
Mr. Negative - Daniel Wu
Joystick - Felice Herrig
Kraven - Pyotr Fyodorov
Mysterio - Zachary Quinto
Green Goblin - Stephen Dillane
Hobgoblin - Neil Patrick Harris

I'm drawing blanks on Lizard, Electro and Shathra. Not even going to bother with Jackal since the Clone Saga is hopefully a long, long way away. I dislike the Christpher Walken choice though since he's too old for the role. Also just noticed that other than Scorpion (in the MCU and Ultimate Universes), Spider-Man has no major Hispanic villains and zero Asian female villains.

Dear Marvel, please create some since it's glaringly obvious.

 

[Dasher10]

He's more Kraven with his skill set.

He's not. Statham can't do anything other than a British accent and Kraven is Russian.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Zachary Quinto also not a great Mysterio. Mysterio above all needs to be theatrical and over the top, not timid and reserved. This is why Bruce Campbell would have been perfect.