Could X3 Be Wolverine's "Last Stand"?

[D-Man22]

There will be a wolverine 2. I say this because I have seen the leak and the General Audience will really like this movie. It has everything for every audience, action, romance, comedy etc...

 

[Electrix]

If what I say does in fact happen, I think Wolverine 2 is doomed and will probably be the end to this franchise but I know that they will make one more X-Men movie even if this one bombs which it won't.

Josh Schwartz is writing X-Men: First Class as we speak. If Wolverine doesn't do that well they will probably go full steam ahead with that.

 

[Mike059jig]

X3 will have a impact on Wolverine.X3 made more than Iron man in its opening weekend but dropped off a lot, Word of mouth had something to do with it. If word of mouth was so good it would made as much as Iron man did,which was around 300 million and X-men is more popular than Iron man.

 

[chaseter]

Josh Schwartz is writing X-Men: First Class as we speak. If Wolverine doesn't do that well they will probably go full steam ahead with that.

Which is why I said that if this movie bombs we will still get another X-Men film because they will try one last time. If it does alright, we will get Wolverine 2 and I think that movie will be the final nail in the coffin.

 

[icelemt38]

I think regardless there will be a Wolverine 2 because this movie will not bomb, it'll have a big opening weekend and even with a big drop off it'll still make a good amount of money after all is said and done. Overseas will be fine, DVD sales will be fine.

The one thing about Wolverine 2 is that it'll be about Japan so I don't see how they're going to incorporate as many well known characters. Story wise that's probably a good thing as it can be more focussed but how big of a draw will that movie be with a mostly foreign cast? I don't know much about the Japan story but hear that its a good one.

 

[icelemt38]

double post.

 

[Electrix]

Which is why I said that if this movie bombs we will still get another X-Men film because they will try one last time. If it does alright, we will get Wolverine 2 and I think that movie will be the final nail in the coffin.

I think your mixing up what you want to happen and what might happen

The X-Men franchise won't be dying anytime soon. If the Wolverine route doesn't work the X-Men: First Class might, and Fox will turn that into a trilogy.

If Fox haven't got an X-Men movie in development every 4 years they lose the rights, so they will keep on milking the cow. X-Men isn't like other franchises, like Spider-Man, because there are so many characters...you can make a movie with any of them. Iron Man showed that a lesser known character can make big money, so Fox will find a way of getting an X-Men movie out every 3-4 years.

Lauren Shuler Donner has said in the past that she would be interested in doing Days of Future Past, so if all this prequel business doesn't work out they may go into the future.

Some would say Rise of the Silver Surfer was the final nail in the coffin for the Fantastic Four franchise, but apparently Fox are thinking about rebooting it (which seems likely unless they want to lose the rights).

 

[Downhere]

X3 will have a impact on Wolverine.X3 made more than Iron man in its opening weekend but dropped off a lot, Word of mouth had something to do with it. If word of mouth was so good it would made as much as Iron man did,which was around 300 million and X-men is more popular than Iron man.

Well, to say if word-of-mouth was so good it would have done what Iron Man did is a bit presumptuous. I mean, if that were the case X2 would have done $300 million because of the fantastic word-of-mouth and general critical praise. Yet, that film barely got a 2.5 multiplier on a huge (at the time) $86 million opening. Heck, the R-Rated Matrix Reloaded did better business with lackluster reviews and word-of-mouth. So I don't think it's fair to compare the X-Men franchise to Iron Man, or Indy, or Pirates.

 

[chaseter]

I think your mixing up what you want to happen and what might happen

The X-Men franchise won't be dying anytime soon. If the Wolverine route doesn't work the X-Men: First Class might, and Fox will turn that into a trilogy.

If Fox haven't got an X-Men movie in development every 4 years they lose the rights, so they will keep on milking the cow. X-Men isn't like other franchises, like Spider-Man, because there are so many characters...you can make a movie with any of them. Iron Man showed that a lesser known character can make big money, so Fox will find a way of getting an X-Men movie out every 3-4 years.

Lauren Shuler Donner has said in the past that she would be interested in doing Days of Future Past, so if all this prequel business doesn't work out they may go into the future.

Some would say Rise of the Silver Surfer was the final nail in the coffin for the Fantastic Four franchise, but apparently Fox are thinking about rebooting it (which seems likely unless they want to lose the rights).

I said that if Wolverine bombs, which it won't, then they would try one last time to churn a profit. If X-Men first class bombs, then Wolverine 2 will be their final shot. See what I am saying? If one movie bombs, I think it would unwise to not try once more before giving up such a well known franchise. However, I don't expect the quality to be good and this further pushed that nail down farther so if they do make a good movie, it will take a lot of work to get that nail out.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I think your mixing up what you want to happen and what might happen

The X-Men franchise won't be dying anytime soon. If the Wolverine route doesn't work the X-Men: First Class might, and Fox will turn that into a trilogy.

If Fox haven't got an X-Men movie in development every 4 years they lose the rights, so they will keep on milking the cow. X-Men isn't like other franchises, like Spider-Man, because there are so many characters...you can make a movie with any of them. Iron Man showed that a lesser known character can make big money, so Fox will find a way of getting an X-Men movie out every 3-4 years.

Lauren Shuler Donner has said in the past that she would be interested in doing Days of Future Past, so if all this prequel business doesn't work out they may go into the future.

Some would say Rise of the Silver Surfer was the final nail in the coffin for the Fantastic Four franchise, but apparently Fox are thinking about rebooting it (which seems likely unless they want to lose the rights).

Part of me really wants this film to fail just so FOX can finally give it up and let Marvel take over.

 

[Electrix]

Part of me really wants this film to fail just so FOX can finally give it up and let Marvel take over.

Marvel are busy with Iron Man/Captain America/Thor/Avengers. Even if they got the rights back tomorrow we probably wouldn't see anything of it for years. (Unless Marvel find lots of money from somewhere )

 

[chaseter]

Part of me really wants this film to fail just so FOX can finally give it up and let Marvel take over.

All of me wants that

 

[danoyse]

Part of me really wants this film to fail just so FOX can finally give it up and let Marvel take over.

I don't want it to fail. If it fails, it means the audience has burned out on X-Men and it will be a long time before we get a new film. With all the projects on Marvel's slate, I doubt they'll drop everything and start rebooting X-Men just because Fox gave up on it.

I would prefer a more graceful transition from Fox back to Marvel.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Marvel are busy with Iron Man/Captain America/Thor/Avengers. Even if they got the rights back tomorrow we probably wouldn't see anything of it for years. (Unless Marvel find lots of money from somewhere )

All of me wants that

I want it too. Bad.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't want it to fail. If it fails, it means the audience has burned out on X-Men and it will be a long time before we get a new film. With all the projects on Marvel's slate, I doubt they'll drop everything and start rebooting X-Men just because Fox gave up on it.

I would prefer a more graceful transition from Fox back to Marvel.

I dunno. I think it would mean the audience has burned out on FOX's treatment of X-Men...just like audiences burned out on Star Trek.

As The Dark Knight, Hulk, etc. have shown, in the right hands and with new casts, this franchise could really do well...just somewhere else. Unfortunately, we have to see the thing run into the ground before this current studio loses interest in it.

 

[chaseter]

Just because a movie fails doesn't mean the audience is tired of it...it means they are tired of that treatment. Look at Batman

 

[spideyboy_1111]

X3 honestly isn't regarded honestly as much of a bad film as it is to fanboys... So no, i don't think it will effect Wolverine at all, and if it does? just a teenie bit.

 

[PWN3R]

First off, I miss you doing threads like this, LS. :heart:

You have a point with the momentum, specifically the lack of momentum going into Wolverine. When X3 was about to hit, X-Men was still hot, it was following what was considered the best comic book adaption at the time, X2. So to say the buzz was extremely high, would be an understatement.

With Wolverine the situation is vastly different for two reasons:

1) The Dark Knight and Iron Man. These two films blew the lid off the comic book genre, and frankly, make the X-films look poor in comparison. General audiences expect better and bigger, and from what I've seen off the leak, Wolverine isn't going to hold a candle to the quality of those films.

2) Fox's shenanigans. We all knew the bitter, nasty, hairy story behind the making of X3, and despite all that most of us were still optimistic. X3 was a like biting into a jelly doughnut and tasting ketchup.

Anyway, my thoughts on this is that Wolverine won't do all that great. It'll have a decent opening then drop off like nobody's business. I love the X-Universe but I'm done with Fox's versions of these films. They butcher and castrate all that is good, and eventually even the general audience is going to catch on. The bad taste of X3 will hurt Wolverine, just like Ang Lee's Hulk hurt The Incredible Hulk.

It's all a shame because Hugh Jackman is a really awesome guy, and I only wish he could be in a Marvel-made film.

 

[chaseter]

I know...we all missed LS and I am happy he is back. This brings me back to the good 'ole days:heart:

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Wolverine will be a front-loader just like X3 was. It will drop significantly by the second weekend because of poor word of mouth once people find out the final version isn't much different from the workprint. Star Trek will take over the #1 spot.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

PWN3R: :heart: It's good to see you. And I agree with everything you said here.

 

[danoyse]

I dunno. I think it would mean the audience has burned out on FOX's treatment of X-Men...just like audiences burned out on Star Trek.

As Batman, Hulk, etc. have shown, in the right hands and with new casts, this franchise could really do well...just somewhere else. Unfortunately, we have to see the thing run into the ground before this current studio loses interest in it.

You rarely see the kind of studio bashing from general audiences that you see from a fanboy perspective. They'll get tired of the series as a whole before you see a regular audience member actually go after a studio.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

another significant reason i think wolverine will do fine, is that the X-men fanbase is full of 3 types of people

-Comic Fanboys (like majority of us on here)

-Animated Series Fans (these are people who loved the show, know the characters, but there fandom does not shape, nor does it affect there lives

-Movie Fans. (these people consist of the General Audience, who knew either very little or nothing at all about X-men. They fell in love with Hugh as Wolverine, Loved the Jean/wolverine relation ship, and could care less about cyclops)

Fanboys are honestly the only group imo that will lose some numbers, but even so, there will be fanboys like me, who didn't hate X3 (didn't think it was great either, but saw several things i did enjoy about it) but will see Wolverine anyway...

TV show fans, will flock to this film. Many LOVE gambit (infact i'd guarantee he's a huge selling point for them to see the film, they LOVE the wolverine/sabertooth dynamic, and they Love other characters like Deadpool and Cyclops. They also have enjoyed the previous films)

Movie fans (will again see this, it's more hugh as wolvie, and it fits in formula to the past films they enjoyed)

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Wolverine will be a front-loader just like X3 was. It will drop significantly by the second weekend because of poor word of mouth once people find out the final version isn't much different from the workprint. Star Trek will take over the #1 spot.

honey, you also have to understand ALOT of people did not see he leak. Not everyone 1) got to it in time, 2) wanted to look at it 3) even new there was a leak

people have to realize that the online community who knew about the leak, and found and watched is pretty small compared to those who didn't.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You rarely see the kind of studio bashing from general audiences that you see from a fanboy perspective. They'll get tired of the series as a whole before you see a regular audience member actually go after a studio.

Well, I didn't mean it would be studio-specific hate from the audience's perspective. Just that moviegoers do tend to pick up on certain common elements in films.

For example: Look at 2005's Fantastic Four. By time the sequel had come out both comic fans AND moviegoers turned on the franchise because...well, it sucked. Perhaps moviegoers didn't know specifically WHY it sucked, but they knew that the first film sucked...and that the second film likely wasn't going to be an improvement. As a result, Rise Of The Silver Surfer could not outperform its predecessor.

That's why I am concerned that X3 might have a residual impact on Wolverine.