CW Kids Programing getting taken over by 4Kids TV

[JCam4]

What in the worlkd is wrong with this picture. I really like watching Legion of Super Heros, The Batman, and I'm looking forward to The New Spider-Man cartoon comeing to the CW Saturday morning lineup, but 4Kids TV offers some crappy cartoons that don't have the same feel and look. There needs to be a petition to put a stop to this garbage. If 4Kids wants to work with the CW, then they need to continue with the shows that the CW offers, and no one else will. The Batman needs to stay, as well as LSH, and Spider-Man.

 

[KenK]

Don't hold out much hope for the Batman. It's lucky to have made it this far. Usually they cut the show off after they hit that magic "52 episodes for syndication" marker. After that, they could care less how successful the show is.

 

[Prison Mike]

so what does this mean? Will all the superhero cartoons be cancelled because of the takeover? That would majorly suck!

 

[Hush]

I just read the report and this is so ****ing ******ed, when will american animation stay american based? Dont get me wrong some Anime is cool but seriously animation is ingrained in our culture as something america is good at why do we have to outsource this aswell?

 

[gqxsensazn]

I'm really sad to hear this. I really got into The Batman and I was just starting to like Legion of Super Heroes.

 

[xScarletSpiderx]

Man, I just started watching LSH and The Batman... this saddens me...

 

[dsfjr1190]

I thought 4Kids had sunday mornings. What, are they going to switch days or something? Batman, Legion, SM, on sundays now?

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

What'll happen to Spectacular Spider-Man?! This is the worst news of the year so far for me !!!

 

[Hypestyle]

I hope that 4Kids continues the superhero shows, and develops more of them-- especially Marvel shows (wanted: Power Man/Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Blade, Avengers). I hope that 4Kids continues the syndicated Sunday programming, so it won't mean that all those shows get forced into Saturday.. (though I wouldn't mind the Turtles getting a slot)..

 

[Uncle Sam]

I just read the report and this is so ****ing ******ed, when will american animation stay american based? Dont get me wrong some Anime is cool but seriously animation is ingrained in our culture as something america is good at why do we have to outsource this aswell?

Because American animation is arguably inferior both stylistically and thematically. Don't get me wrong, I HATE outsourcing. But as long as American shows continue to use corny dialogue and cookie-cutter plots, animé will win. Then there's the matter of what kids consider "cool" nowadays. Even the most dumbed down, kid-oriented Japanese show will have more physical contact than the average American cartoon. Take the 4Kids show Sonic X for instance. In my opinion, the show is absolute garbage. However, even this kiddy-show's anthropomorphic animals pack more of a punch than Superman did in his latest "The Batman" debut. That is both SAD and PATHETIC. Until the powers that be realize that flashes are not substitutes for actual punches, they will continue to lose out. Everyone made such a big deal out of Superman Doomsday being "mature" and whatever else. I hate to say it, especially considering how much I enjoyed Superman Doomsday, but its content doesn't exactly rate as mature nowadays. Have you seen Naruto? I'm not much of a fan of this show either, but look at the action scenes... THAT is what attracts people. Kids (and adults!) want REAL action. Kids aren't so stupid or oblivious to violence as their elders seems to think (or perhaps WANT to think). Give us a real story with depth and substance. Gives us more realistic-looking characters, as opposed to cost-effective streamlined caricatures. When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé.

 

[Abaddon]

where's the article?

 

[Anubis]

Because American animation is arguably inferior both stylistically and thematically. Don't get me wrong, I HATE outsourcing. But as long as American shows continue to use corny dialogue and cookie-cutter plots, animé will win. Then there's the matter of what kids consider "cool" nowadays. Even the most dumbed down, kid-oriented Japanese show will have more physical contact than the average American cartoon. Take the 4Kids show Sonic X for instance. In my opinion, the show is absolute garbage. However, even this kiddy-show's anthropomorphic animals pack more of a punch than Superman did in his latest "The Batman" debut. That is both SAD and PATHETIC. Until TPTB realize that flashes are substitutes for actual punches, they will continue to lose out. Everyone made such a big deal out of Superman Doomsday being "mature" and whatever else. I hate to say it, especially considering how much I enjoyed Superman Doomsday, but its content doesn't exactly rate as mature nowadays. Have you seen Naruto? I'm not much of a fan of this show either, but look at the action scenes... THAT is what attracts people. Kids (and adults!) want REAL action. Kids aren't so stupid or oblivious to violence as their elders seems to think (or perhaps WANT to think). Give us a real story with depth and substance. Gives us more realistic-looking characters, as opposed to cost-effective streamlined caricatures. When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé.

Well, you do make a fine point.

 

[batnkevlar]

The Timmverse was the best... real punches, real themes... problem is, Cartoon Network gave them the **** end of the stick by putting Bo bo bobobo on instead... kids these days have the worst ****ing cartoons...

 

[Anubis]

He makes a better one. For every Cowboy Beebop, you get twelve Yu Gi Oh's, six Pokemon's, and a Bo Bo BObobo to stink up the joint.

Anime, at least the crap they show over here, is overrated. (Though I recently have started to like Naruto. )

 

[Hush]

Because American animation is arguably inferior both stylistically and thematically. Don't get me wrong, I HATE outsourcing. But as long as American shows continue to use corny dialogue and cookie-cutter plots, animé will win. Then there's the matter of what kids consider "cool" nowadays. Even the most dumbed down, kid-oriented Japanese show will have more physical contact than the average American cartoon. Take the 4Kids show Sonic X for instance. In my opinion, the show is absolute garbage. However, even this kiddy-show's anthropomorphic animals pack more of a punch than Superman did in his latest "The Batman" debut. That is both SAD and PATHETIC. Until TPTB realize that flashes are substitutes for actual punches, they will continue to lose out. Everyone made such a big deal out of Superman Doomsday being "mature" and whatever else. I hate to say it, especially considering how much I enjoyed Superman Doomsday, but its content doesn't exactly rate as mature nowadays. Have you seen Naruto? I'm not much of a fan of this show either, but look at the action scenes... THAT is what attracts people. Kids (and adults!) want REAL action. Kids aren't so stupid or oblivious to violence as their elders seems to think (or perhaps WANT to think). Give us a real story with depth and substance. Gives us more realistic-looking characters, as opposed to cost-effective streamlined caricatures. When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé.

You bring a good point about in your statement on violence but i would like to say that my 10 year old brother finds The Batman much more entertaining than anything ANIME has to offer. Is this because he was raised on my dvd's from B:tas and S:tas, then proceeded to watch JL and JLU? Maybe. He likes seeing superheroes he actually has the action figures of, not some Japanese cartoon he has never heard of, seeing Doomsday get animated was awesome for his age group just as much for my age group. Fans of ANIME sometimes come from reading the Manga version of the story and love seeing there characters come to life well that is the same way it is for american comics and such. SO the plan for 4KIDS to come in and take over the Saturday morning cartoon block that houses some of the only Super-hero cartoons on the net that have to deal with American hero's will prolly not help with getting more childeren viewers but viewers that like ANIME. I could be very wrong and prolly am but i just have to stand by what i see in my home and that is my brother being bumed when i told him the news that his shows MAY not be on any more. On the violence issuse you have to consider that these shows are aimed at kids that wake up early in the moring well those kids are rather young and by the age of 12 kids more prefer to stay in bed or at least later than 7 am. Dragonball Z ,im a self proclaimed super fan, was aired in the afternoon on CN during there Toonami hour and that is the time when middle schoolers watch TV,kids watch disney channel. So the idea of putting so much ANIME on so early makes little sense to me considering if you want to hit your key demograph you would just air it in the afternoon block of television after school.

Not sure if any of that makes sense but to be honest all im trying to say is this is a dumb move by cancelling these shows, if they do. Oh and if youw ant real punches and deep stories just watch the Timmverse and argue that its not violent at all or dramatic in any way.

 

[KenK]

I hope that 4Kids continues the superhero shows, and develops more of them-- especially Marvel shows (wanted: Power Man/Iron Fist, Moon Knight, Blade, Avengers). I hope that 4Kids continues the syndicated Sunday programming, so it won't mean that all those shows get forced into Saturday.. (though I wouldn't mind the Turtles getting a slot)..

The last thing I want is for 4Kids Entertainment to develop something like Moon Knight or especially Blade! Any popularity that would warrant Blade existing outside of the comics medium revolves around the films, and their content, which was decidedly adult.

Because American animation is arguably inferior both stylistically and thematically. Don't get me wrong, I HATE outsourcing. But as long as American shows continue to use corny dialogue and cookie-cutter plots, animé will win. Then there's the matter of what kids consider "cool" nowadays. Even the most dumbed down, kid-oriented Japanese show will have more physical contact than the average American cartoon. Take the 4Kids show Sonic X for instance. In my opinion, the show is absolute garbage. However, even this kiddy-show's anthropomorphic animals pack more of a punch than Superman did in his latest "The Batman" debut. That is both SAD and PATHETIC. Until TPTB realize that flashes are substitutes for actual punches, they will continue to lose out. Everyone made such a big deal out of Superman Doomsday being "mature" and whatever else. I hate to say it, especially considering how much I enjoyed Superman Doomsday, but its content doesn't exactly rate as mature nowadays. Have you seen Naruto? I'm not much of a fan of this show either, but look at the action scenes... THAT is what attracts people. Kids (and adults!) want REAL action. Kids aren't so stupid or oblivious to violence as their elders seems to think (or perhaps WANT to think). Give us a real story with depth and substance. Gives us more realistic-looking characters, as opposed to cost-effective streamlined caricatures. When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé.

Pretty much how I would have put it. Amercian society is still in the dark ages when it comes to animation. Hell, I wouldn't even say "still", because in the early days, American animation did have its bolder, more provacative moments. Somewhere along the lines, entertaining children became the primary goal.

 

[Nibune]

"When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé."
Bold statement considering how tightly parents associates watch for violence.
There are 2 unfortunate points to this story.
1. Where has all the american animation gone from saturday morning cartoons?
2. Would you call this another form of outsourcing American jobs to reduce production costs?
So what we can expect to be cut? Scooby Doo, Tom and Jerry, Loonatics U, LOS, the Batman, Spectacular Spiderman (basically all american animation)
We keep all anime based cartoons + the junk we never knew about to fill in the 5 hour gap, i mean i tuned in over the weekend, and oh how the voiceovers and completely off.
I can't say im surprised that much LOS and Batman got put in the worst saturday morning timeslot there is, the last hour...
I believe the shear fact that Bruce Timm's JLU Batman was still on air @ same time as the Batman hindered the shows fanbase, hard to make the switch. Additionally since Timm had also been able to setup a LOS timeline in JLU and for that version not to be used i think was another blow to Timm followers
Overall look @ how things have changed, Fox Kids used to dominate Saturday morning tv, like how ABC did with TGIF
Things change, and these 2nd generation superhero incarnations have VERY high standards to live up to, which they arent necessarily able to do

 

[3dman27]

yes the cw should 86 this crappy plan ASAP

 

[bulletbillx]

"When there's an action scene, give us real violence. When buildings are destroyed, don't say people weren't hurt. Give us a good show or lose to animé."


Then 4kids is the last company you'd want to dub anime. they censor all violence and pretty much everything to an absurd extreme. they turn good anime into terrible shows with completely different plots.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I agree. 4Kids is notorious for ruining animé. However, even their censored trash has more action than an American cartoon show. There is no reason for this to be the case.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

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4Kids Entertainment will begin programming The CW Network’s Saturday morning schedule in September 2008. Until then, the schedule will most likely remain as it is now (with the exception of midseason replacements The Spectacular Spider-Man and The World of Quest entering the slate in early 2008). But what of some of the network mainstays, like The Batman and Legion of Super Heroes? Their situation does not change. Their continued production has always been dependent on a distributor/network placing an order for episodes. Warner Bros. Animation produces animated entertainment for a wide variety of distribution platforms, such as broadcast and cable television, direct-to-DVD, broadband, wireless, etc. So, as many feared, they will likely find a new home, so don’t worry about that. If anything, this could produce some exciting developments for the series.

And remember, 4Kids is an acquisition/distribution company. Warner Bros. Animation is an animation studio. If 4Kids wants to acquire and distribute WBA productions, the option is there. Of course, that’s not the only option for WBA. Within recent months, the barriers between production companies and distributors completely blurred. Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series are both currently airing on JETIX, a part of Toon Disney. Plus, we got Pinky and the Brian joining the Toon Disney lineup in the near future. Who would have thought we’d see three decidedly Warner Bros.-branded series airing on a Disney-owned network. Just a few years ago, a deal like that was unthinkable. Now it’s a sign that anything is possible. Things are changing and doors are opening, no question.

At this time, in terms of television series animation, there is no answer as to what will be produced for next fall. A number of projects are in development, and any WBA series currently in production can be extended. But typically, November and December are the months when those decisions begin to be formulate. However, series pick-ups are not announced until February, so those answers will probably not be finalized until early in 2008.

And just remember, WBA has a lot of productions beyond television to look forward to. WBA thriving in the direct-to-DVD market — Superman Doomsday sales are outstanding, as are the current numbers for our latest Scooby-Doo release. WB in full production on New Frontier and the third film in the DCU series. WBA is also finalizing scripts and development on several others. Another Scooby DVD is in production, and others are being developed. Take into consideration all that AND WB’s upcoming original animated productions for T-Works and you’ll see that it’s a busy time at WBA.

 

[Anubis]

Well, I suppose that's good.