Daily Planet Redux: Man of Tomorrow News and Speculation Thread

[flickchick85]

I will never consider a Superman/Lex Luthor story any kind of “demotion” for Superman.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I hope this movie is that Empire Strikes Back type sequel. Darker, more complex, etc. Brainiac is the perfect villain for that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think I'd be less annoyed by the demotion if Superman didn't already have to share the spotlight with the Justice Gang on the first movie, and the fact that it's going to happen again frankly kinda tells me that Gunn is not really interested in telling a "fully" solo Superman story.

How in the world did Superman, "share the spolight" with the Justice Gang? Lex and Lois were a far bigger part of the movie. Is it because they also have super powers?

I am so perplexed by Superman fans. They turn everything into a dick measuring contest. He has to be the strongest, the tallest, he has to be the only one with superpowers.

It's Superman. He's the least insecure character in this regard. The guy who asks for help.

 

[Herolee10]

Yes. It is an equal parts Superman/Lex Luthor movie as described by James Gunn.

That's good to know. I kind of hope it's something along the lines like how Batman and Harvey Dent felt like the co-leads for The Dark Knight.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's good to know. I kind of hope it's something along the lines like how Batman and Harvey Dent felt like the co-leads for The Dark Knight.

This never happened.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Yeah, Luthor’s gonna be a way bigger part of this than Dent is in TDK. And that’s a HUGE role.

I like it, feels like a bold creative choice. I think it’d be cool if he was straight up THE LEAD. Like fully the POV character even if the story is about Superman in a lot of ways, you’re consistently seeing it through his eyes.

 

[Herolee10]

This never happened.

Disagree. I thought both of them came off as the co-leads for the film.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, Luthor’s gonna be a way bigger part of this than Dent is in TDK. And that’s a HUGE role.

I like it, feels like a bold creative choice. I think it’d be cool if he was straight up THE LEAD. Like fully the POV character even if the story is about Superman in a lot of ways, you’re consistently seeing it through his eyes.

As long as MOT does end with Superman dying, thus not being able to play an active role in forming the JL, or Lois getting pregnant with with Lex's kid while Superman was dead then I think we should be good.

 

[flickchick85]

Disagree. I thought both of them came off as the co-leads for the film.

They were in no way co-leads, but if you think that, you'll probably think think that about this too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Disagree. I thought both of them came off as the co-leads for the film.

This isn't really a feel thing. You'd have a better argument if you said it the story belonged to Bruce, Gordon, and Harvey. But even then, it doesn't. It's film about Bruce. The others are major supporting characters, but not close to co-lead status.

There is always talk of how little screen time Joker has in TDK. He has more then Harvey.

Another measure of screen time, where Bale is way out in front, Eckhart is comparable to Oldman, and Heath is in front of both.

The Dark Knight: 5 Characters With The Most (& 5 With Very Little) Screen Time

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[DarthSkywalker]

They were in no way co-leads, but if you think that, you'll probably think think that about this too.

About to find out folks thing Han and Leia are co-leads of the OT.

 

[Herolee10]

They were in no way co-leads, but if you think that, you'll probably think think that about this too.

Wasn't one of the main driving points for TDK about Harvey Dent's fall from grace? Hence, why they invested so much time in establishing his character as Gotham's White Knight before his turn to Two Face.

If I'm wrong in my assessment, would Deadpool and Wolverine be a better example for the whole co-lead situation (e.g., story told mainly through Deadpool's POV)?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wasn't one of the main driving points for TDK about Harvey Dent's fall from grace? Hence, why they invested so much time in establishing his character as Gotham's White Knight before his turn to Two Face.

If I'm wrong in my assessment, would Deadpool and Wolverine be a better example for the whole co-lead situation (e.g., story told mainly through Deadpool's POV)?

Harvey Dent is a contrast to THE DARK KNIGHT. Which is weirdly, the title of the film. They literally have him date Bruce's love interest.

Can you name a film you consider to be a two-hander that isn't a superhero, sci-fi or fantasy flick?

 

[Herolee10]

Harvey Dent is a contrast to THE DARK KNIGHT. Which is weirdly, the title of the film.

Can you name a film you consider to be a two hander that isn't a superhero, sci-fi or fantasy flick?

Heat (Robert De Niro & Al Pacino)

Rush Hour (Jackie Chan & Chris Tucker)

Twins (Arnold Schwarzenegger & Danny Devito)

Lethal Weapon (Mel Gibson & Danny Glover)

Fight Club (Edward Norton & Brad Pitt)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Heat (Robert De Niro & Al Pacino)

Rush Hour (Jackie Chan & Chris Tucker)

Twins (Arnold Schwarzenegger & Danny Devito)

Lethal Weapon (Mel Gibson & Danny Glover)

Fight Club (Edward Norton & Brad Pitt)

Now compare these to The Dark Knight.

 

[flickchick85]

Wasn't one of the main driving points for TDK about Harvey Dent's fall from grace? Hence, why they invested so much time in establishing his character as Gotham's White Knight before his turn to Two Face.

If I'm wrong in my assessment, would Deadpool and Wolverine be a better example for the whole co-lead situation (e.g., story told mainly through Deadpool's POV)?

What you just described there is a subplot. And a good one. It's there to show a parallel/reflection on our hero. As is the Joker.

Deadpool and Wolverine is definitely a bit MORE of a co-lead situation, because their relationship and their scenes TOGETHER are what drive the movie, but it's still a Deadpool movie at the end of the day 100% imo.

Other characters having big arcs does not signify a co-lead scenario, just good writing. If your supporting characters don't have proper arcs/journeys, you have a pretty flat movie, imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What you just described there is a subplot. And a good one. It's there to show a parallel/reflection on our hero. As is the Joker.

Deadpool and Wolverine is definitely a bit MORE of a co-lead situation, because their relationship and their scenes TOGETHER are what drive the movie, but it's still a Deadpool movie at the end of the day 100% imo.

Other characters having big arcs does not signify a co-lead scenario, just good writing. If your supporting characters don't have proper arcs/journeys, you have a pretty flat movie, imo.

I feel like Deadpool 3 is a really good movie to test the idea with. Because while they sold it as "their" movie, it's clearly Wade's. it's revolves completely around Deadpool. It's his style (super meta), it opens and closes on him, and even Logan's story is told through Wade's lens, and Logan's "growth" is directly tied to Wade who himself is looking for that same growth.

 

[Herolee10]

Now compare these to The Dark Knight.

 

[STARMAN]

I understand some of the trepidation as I have a little bit myself. It isn't so much the amount of screen time but the quality. I felt the best scenes in Superman involved Clark and Lois and whatever we got from The Daily Planet. Granted, I'm partial to those elements to begin with and am predisposed to like them. I was underwhelmed by many other aspects including the Justice Gang other than Mr. Terrific. I was a little mixed about Hoult's Lex although I can see me liking him more in the sequel.

A Superman/Lex team-up from Lex's point of view can work. Especially, with at least a slight adjustment in tone. But I'm less confident in Gunn than I was before.

 

[dhandler01]

I will never consider a Superman/Lex Luthor story any kind of “demotion” for Superman.

That would be like people being mad Batman and Joker were the headliners of a film.

Maybe I would worry if this was like post MOS where the audience was split but Superman was not that and garnered huge praise from the majority of the audience and critics. It outdueled Fantastic Four with its cast and lead in to the next Avengers. (And it wasnt close) I trust that Gunn has a story that won't short change Superman and will highlight the chemistry Houkt and Corenswet have.

 

[B]

According to a recent interview, much of MOT will be told from Lex's perspective.

Thoughts?

I don't mind it in theory but as always, it depends on the execution & the actual validity of what has been said.

Some of the best episodes of the likes of Lois & Clark, Smallville & Lois & Superman are when, it at least seems anyway as your watching, the story is being told more from the perspective of the villain even if in reality they maybe had no more actual screen time than Superman.

I actually would like if the Daily Planet cast & Clark got a lot more focus this go around. I was a bit underwhelmed with both their usage & Clark's involvement with them in the first film, which I think was limited to a singular scene.