Dan DiDio on Matrix Supergirl's fate

[Kurosawa]

If Matrix and Linda Danvers are taken out of continuity, I will be EXTREMELY pissed off at DC.

That's exactly how I felt about all the Pre-Crisis stuff they threw out after COIE.

 

[The Question]

You have a point. But, the pre crisis stuff didn't really work. I mean, some of the stories were great. And those ones they kept. They only got rid of the REALLY cheesey aspects, like all those stories where Superman tried to kill Lois and Batman fought aliens.

 

[Anubis]

What are you talking about, Bats fought aliens post crisis too. White Martians anybody?

 

[The Question]

1) That was in a Justice League book, not his solo book.

2) Please, do not get me started on that fight.

 

[Anubis]

Hey, i'm just sayin. It's Batman. He's fightin aliens. Weather it's in one of his many solos is irrelevent. I wouldn't be surprised if Morrison has him fight an alien in his run. He does have that sci fi closet.

 

[The Question]

God damn the sci fi closset.



Anyway, Batman doesn't usually fight aliens on his own anymore except for that one time that I'm not going to get into.

 

[vog]

Yeah, that subject really irks me. Lex's radiation poisoning was the catalyst for almost ALL of the major events surround Luthor's character in the early post-crisis days.

Plus the fact that Lex didn't even take the time to dig up Conduit's body to add to his kryptonite collection puzzles me slightly. Not that I want to see Conduit again (he sucked; stay away from and back issues with him). It just seems like his body would possibly be a large source of green k radiation (which Lex is acquiring at the moment), and it would slightly ease my concerns about DC's seeming disregard for past continuity if we saw his corpse strung up in Lex's kryptonite storage chamber.

Didn't Conduit reduce himself to bones and ash in his final appearance? I suppose Lex could dig up the remains if they're still giving off radiation, but I doubt it'd be of much use to him considering how much kryptonite he has now. But yea, I agree, it would be cool if they'd just show his remains as part of the collection as a nod to past continuity.

 

[Harlekin]

I have to say I don't really care. Linda was retired anyway, and I really didn't want to see her again, because she had been written off so well. If nobody mentions her again, big deal, in my DCU, she still existed, and that's the point. People are pissed that removing her from contuinity means she can't re-appear. I don't want her to re-appear. So, no problem.

 

[Spike_x1]

see, so you can't blame the current writers for what they're doing if you'd do the same thing.

But there are ways to bring back your favorite aspects of the past without copping out and having the characters simply forget anything that transpired in past continuity in relation to the flipside of the retcon.

 

[The Question]

I have to say I don't really care. Linda was retired anyway, and I really didn't want to see her again, because she had been written off so well. If nobody mentions her again, big deal, in my DCU, she still existed, and that's the point. People are pissed that removing her from contuinity means she can't re-appear. I don't want her to re-appear. So, no problem.

Well, I don't want her to show up in costume again. Same way I don't want Arrowette to show up in costume again. But I assumes that Linda had some friends in the super hero comunity. They're just going to stop aknowleging her existence because she's not putting on a costume and fighting crime anymore?

 

[Assassin]

am i the only one who doesnt care?

 

[Kurosawa]

You have a point. But, the pre crisis stuff didn't really work. I mean, some of the stories were great. And those ones they kept. They only got rid of the REALLY cheesey aspects, like all those stories where Superman tried to kill Lois and Batman fought aliens.

That's your opinion. I feel they threw out more good stories than bad ones. Like every Siegel and Shuster Superman story, for instance. And every Finger and Kane Batman story. And every Moulton/Peter Wonder Woman story.

And either way, it's wrong.

They should have kept the Post-Crisis DCU Earth and brought back the Multiverse-and just kept the Multiverse 100% seperated from the DCU Earth. Then everyone would win.

Instead nobody wins.

 

[The Question]

That's your opinion. I feel they threw out more good stories than bad ones. Like every Siegel and Shuster Superman story, for instance. And every Finger and Kane Batman story. And every Moulton/Peter Wonder Woman story.

And either way, it's wrong.

I'm fairly certain they didn't get rid of all of the old golden age stories. And really, not all of them fit. In the origional Superman stories, he couldn't fly. How would they explain him just suddenly being able to fly one day? And, really, the old Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman stories weren't in continuity with the main titles for a long time. They just said that they happened in another universe.

They should have kept the Post-Crisis DCU Earth and brought back the Multiverse-and just kept the Multiverse 100% seperated from the DCU Earth. Then everyone would win.

Instead nobody wins.

What, you mean keep the JSA as another universe? The point of the Crisis was that the multiple Earths were way too damn confusing. So they fused them all together. Besides, it's not like the multiple Earths never happened. They've said many times before Infinite Crisis that they did. It's just that no one remembered them.

 

[Kurosawa]

I'm fairly certain they didn't get rid of all of the old golden age stories. And really, not all of them fit. In the origional Superman stories, he couldn't fly. How would they explain him just suddenly being able to fly one day? And, really, the old Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman stories weren't in continuity with the main titles for a long time. They just said that they happened in another universe.

Yeah, they happened on Earth-Two, and those characters were removed from Earth-Two history. that plus the Byrne revamp of the current Superman=not a single Jerry Siegel Superman story was DC canon from COIE-IC. Same goes for Finger and Moulton.

What, you mean keep the JSA as another universe? The point of the Crisis was that the multiple Earths were way too damn confusing. So they fused them all together. Besides, it's not like the multiple Earths never happened. They've said many times before Infinite Crisis that they did. It's just that no one remembered them.

Anyone who is too stupid to understand Multiple Earths and dopplegangers has bigger problems than choosing what comics to read. It never confused me. I don't think Marvel's Ultimates confuse people.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, they happened on Earth-Two, and those characters were removed from Earth-Two history. that plus the Byrne revamp of the current Superman=not a single Jerry Siegel Superman story was DC canon from COIE-IC. Same goes for Finger and Moulton.

But they really wouldn't work otherwise. If you get rid of the mutliple Earths, then you really can't have the origional stories that are so very different remain.

Anyone who is too stupid to understand Multiple Earths and dopplegangers has bigger problems than choosing what comics to read. It never confused me. I don't think Marvel's Ultimates confuse people.

True. Still, it's not like they completely disregarded the multiple Earths. More than a few stories made mention of the fact that they did exist, but no one remembers. Works fine, I think. Besides, having the JSA in the same universe as the Justice League works better. Has an interesting generational dynamic.

 

[Lackey]

But there are ways to bring back your favorite aspects of the past without copping out and having the characters simply forget anything that transpired in past continuity in relation to the flipside of the retcon.

so then you shouldn't complain about what they're doing, but the way it's done.

 

[Spike_x1]

Why shouldn't I complain? They're doing exactly what I said in my previous post that they shouldn't do (ie-copping out and having the characters simply forget). What reason don't I have to complain?

 

[Anubis]

Because it serves no purpose other than getting your blood presure up and possibly causing you a massive stroke or heart attack.

 

[Green Lantern]

Ding dong the witch is gone

 

[Kurosawa]

But they really wouldn't work otherwise. If you get rid of the mutliple Earths, then you really can't have the origional stories that are so very different remain.

That was one of the many reasons I was opposed to getting rid of the multiple Earths. But now those stories are back in, perhaps. At least the Golden Age stories. Still no signs of the Silver Age Superman-and that was the most successful version.

True. Still, it's not like they completely disregarded the multiple Earths. More than a few stories made mention of the fact that they did exist, but no one remembers. Works fine, I think. Besides, having the JSA in the same universe as the Justice League works better. Has an interesting generational dynamic.

If they had brought back the Multiverse, they could have had the original JSA on Earth-Two and kept the post-Crisis version on the DCU Earth. Although the generational thing was a big part of the relationship even when there was a Multiverse as well.

Anyway, now the Earth-Two characters seem to remember their past and their Earth. That's progress actually.

 

[The Leaguer]

Just for the record, the sci-fi closet kicks ass.

 

[The Question]

That was one of the many reasons I was opposed to getting rid of the multiple Earths. But now those stories are back in, perhaps. At least the Golden Age stories. Still no signs of the Silver Age Superman-and that was the most successful version.



If they had brought back the Multiverse, they could have had the original JSA on Earth-Two and kept the post-Crisis version on the DCU Earth. Although the generational thing was a big part of the relationship even when there was a Multiverse as well.

Anyway, now the Earth-Two characters seem to remember their past and their Earth. That's progress actually.

I'd really rather not have that. In past comics, they've aknowleged the multiple Earths and simply had the characters not remember them. The way the JSA were normally post crisis, I much prefered to the multiple Earths thing. I never saw the post crisis DCU as saying "those stories are no longer cannon" as much as "this is a new universe."

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Just for the record, the sci-fi closet kicks ass.

If Morrison gave Batman a closet full of poop, you'd think it kicked ass. Your man-crush on Morrison knows no bounds.

 

[The Leaguer]

The poop closet is between the midget porn closet and the Slim Jim wrapper closet.

 

[Spike_x1]

Because it serves no purpose other than getting your blood presure up and possibly causing you a massive stroke or heart attack.

Wanna know something funny? I'm actually studying to be an air traffic controller. I've got a lifetime of those symptoms to look forward to. I might as well get used to it now.