Daredevil Daredevil General Discussion Thread

[Silvermoth]

It seems very odd to sell daredevil but not all the characters relating to him. It would be like buying the rights to superman but you can't use Lois lane.

I'm sure when marvel and Disney have a good look they'll find they're ok to use kingpin

 

[Crockett]

Didn't Kingpin appear first in Spider-Man? I could see this perhaps be the same situation as Wanda & Pietro as I guess Kingpin does frequently appear in Daredevil as his appearances in Spider-Man, it'd be nice to know for sure whether or not they might use him but luckily Daredevil is not restricted by lack of him, I wouldn't oppose of possibly seeing some new stories for the tv series.

 

[Gifford]

Can someone link to where Kevin Feige said Marvel "shares" the rights to Kingpin? I need a source for my news website. Thanks!

 

[Gr0oT]

Yes, but I don't think that response remotely indicates we'll probably be seeing the Kingpin anytime soon.

It's certainly less decisive than Avi Arad clearly stating the details of his conditional use but I'll be lauded as a fool up until Kingpin doesn't show up in the show... But then ppl will say he is being saved for season 2.

 

[Six]

I don't know why so many people have a hard on to see Kingpin stuck at Sony. If Feige said that he thinks the Kingpin rights are with Daredevil, and later Marvel go onto announce a Daredevil series, it sounds perfectly plausible that they can in fact use him.

 

[Gr0oT]

Please don't interpret my hardon or lack thereof.
Just because I'm quoting more sensible and affirmative sources doesn't mean I am happy about that possibility.

 

[Silvermoth]

Maybe we should stay away from the topic of other posters hardons in the near future?

 

[Six]

Prudes

 

[Matt312]

Anyone have any idea what studio there going to film at? All I read so far is their filming in NYC.

 

[cryptic name]

I'm vaguely disappointed that there isn't a "Matt Murdock" show focusing on his college years, Smallville style. But this will do.

This is the exact opposite of how I feel. Haha.

 

[Gr0oT]

Me too, Smallville was Superman Blue Balls the show, I think a proper DD show will give us plenty of character development as it is.

 

[gohei_]

There will probably be flashbacks every now and then, similar to Arrow, showing both his training and his time in law school.

 

[Team Andino]

I'm vaguely disappointed that there isn't a "Matt Murdock" show focusing on his college years, Smallville style. But this will do.

After a few basic references I really don't see how far or interesting that show can get. It reminds me of WB/CW's idea to do a Dick Grayson show set before his parents were killed, they quickly scratched that concept.

 

[Savage]

I wonder what the tone and style of this show will be. D'you think it'' be a primarily gritty and realistic gangland thriller with some stylized aesthetic thrown in on top, or will it go full on pulp adventure serial?

I'm thinking (re: hoping) it will be similar to Mark Waid's run which is very adventurous and episodic. I would not complain if we got something more akin to Bendis/Brubaker, though. Especially an episode adapting "Decalogue", six issues where Matt Murdock doesn't even show up in real time until the very end as people in a meeting similar to AA discuss how Daredevil has affected their lives, all while linking one villain within their stories. I can see this being kind of an epilogue episode to the season finale.

 

[Dark Raven]

Most of a college years Matt Murdock show would probably be with his powers not fully functioning, so it would mainly consist of him trying to find the right law books in the law library but having great difficulty.

 

[The Question]

I'm thinking (re: hoping) it will be similar to Mark Waid's run which is very adventurous and episodic. I would not complain if we got something more akin to Bendis/Brubaker, though. Especially an episode adapting "Decalogue", six issues where Matt Murdock doesn't even show up in real time until the very end as people in a meeting similar to AA discuss how Daredevil has affected their lives, all while linking one villain within their stories. I can see this being kind of an epilogue episode to the season finale.

I'm more of a Bendis or Miller kind of guy than a Waid kind of guy, myself. The pulpy fun episodic stuff is nice, but Daredevil was truly defined as a character and as a franchise when the comics became very dark and gritty crime thrillers with some stylized aesthetics thrown in on top.


Another question: How do you think they'll handle Daredevil's power levels? Daredevil's senses became increasingly potent over the years, he started out still needing electronic surveillance devices to listen in on conversations in a room one floor below him back when Stan Lee was still writing his book, and by the time Bendis was writing it he could sit on the roof of a six story building and listen in on a conversation going on in a locked and partially soundproofed room on the first floor with just his ears.

Personally, I vastly prefer the former take on his powers over the later. Making him too perfect at what he does gets kind of silly with very little gain beyond indulgence. It's a problem Batman stories fall into all the time that I'd rather see Daredevil avoid as often as possible.

 

[Dark Raven]

Marvel should put out a Braille version of the Daredevil comic.

 

[The Question]

Marvel should put out a Braille version of the Daredevil comic.

Better, Marvel should produce an audio-drama adaptation for each issue of Daredevil as it comes out.

 

[Gr0oT]

There will probably be flashbacks every now and then, similar to Arrow, showing both his training and his time in law school.

This would make sense especially for the introduction of Elektra, as they did in the comics.

I'm more of a Bendis or Miller kind of guy than a Waid kind of guy, myself. The pulpy fun episodic stuff is nice, but Daredevil was truly defined as a character and as a franchise when the comics became very dark and gritty crime thrillers with some stylized aesthetics thrown in on top.

Both are pretty good but as others have reminded me the Waid stuff would be harder to achieve on television and the noir stuff just seems perfect for t.v.

Another question: How do you think they'll handle Daredevil's power levels? Daredevil's senses became increasingly potent over the years, he started out still needing electronic surveillance devices to listen in on conversations in a room one floor below him back when Stan Lee was still writing his book, and by the time Bendis was writing it he could sit on the roof of a six story building and listen in on a conversation going on in a locked and partially soundproofed room on the first floor with just his ears.

Personally, I vastly prefer the former take on his powers over the later. Making him too perfect at what he does gets kind of silly with very little gain beyond indulgence. It's a problem Batman stories fall into all the time that I'd rather see Daredevil avoid as often as possible.

Somewhere in the middle would be best.
You do want him to come off as super, but it does seem ridiculous in the recent Waid run, I think it was anyways, when he locates a person who he has no clue where they are just by listening for their cough...
Amidst the cacophony of New York I can't suspend disbelief that much.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Miller's The Man Without Fear should definitely be the main inspiration for the beginning of the series

Marvel studios is going to be able to put A LOT of money behind this if they want to. If they want to make this show the same quality as their movies, they could afford to.

 

[The Question]

This would make sense especially for the introduction of Elektra, as they did in the comics.



Both are pretty good but as others have reminded me the Waid stuff would be harder to achieve on television and the noir stuff just seems perfect for t.v.




Somewhere in the middle would be best.
You do want him to come off as super, but it does seem ridiculous in the recent Waid run, I think it was anyways, when he locates a person who he has no clue where they are just by listening for their cough...
Amidst the cacophony of New York I can't suspend disbelief that much.

There are some real life blind folks who've adapted to using hearing as a way of getting around that they're able to function just about as well as a sighted person. They can walk around and avoid objects without a cane or a dog or any kind of aid just by listening to how sound bounces off of the objects around them. They can even play video games if the game in question has sufficient sound cues for every action (which a lot of them do these days). These people are very rare, granted, and they exist at a special intersection of skill, determination, and natural in born talents and unusually acute senses, but they do happen, and I think they should model what Daredevil is capable of on folks like them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation

Ben Underwood (who sadly passed away in 2009 from the cancer that took his sight) is a perfect example of what is technically possible, albeit very rare and quite exceptional, for the visually handicapped:

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[the gael]

Miller's The Man Without Fear should definitely be the main inspiration for the beginning of the series.

To be honest, not completely... The Man Without Fear has some very good ideas (the fact that Matt spend some years as a Young Lawyer outside NYC before opening "Nelson and Murdock". It's much more logical and "realistic", and it can be interesting to see Matt return in NYC in a post avenger NYC, in a place very different from the Hell's Kitchen he left to begins the serie. It's exactly what I would have done if I was the writer), some not that interesting to say the least (The revamp of the way Matt receive his powers, not by the isotope he received in his eyes but by his ninja training by Stick is exactly that. Miller, when he first took the title, increased slightly Matt's power to make him more unique and distinctive : "extraordinary enough to be exciting, but not on par with Superman". This choice is the exact opposite, sad, because he was for me completely right on the powers in his first run, and that's how I want them portrayed : More powerful than the ones from the Lee years, but also with flaws and drawbacks (the pacemaker that trick the "lie detector", Daredevil being able to perceive the world better than the "normal" guy, but being unable to "see" a picture, the problem to have, on certain conditions, his senses overload, or the exacerbed sensibility to feel pain (even the other pain or, worst, the death of his loved one in his arms like with Elektra) or to drug / poison (I guess it was Lee's idea)) and some terrible (The way he rewrote Elektra, his own creation. We can feel the begining of his misogynistic view in the terrible alley scene with the naked Elektra murdering the thugs... WTF)

 

[Rorschach2012]

There are some real life blind folks who've adapted to using hearing as a way of getting around that they're able to function just about as well as a sighted person. They can walk around and avoid objects without a cane or a dog or any kind of aid just by listening to how sound bounces off of the objects around them. They can even play video games if the game in question has sufficient sound cues for every action (which a lot of them do these days). These people are very rare, granted, and they exist at a special intersection of skill, determination, and natural in born talents and unusually acute senses, but they do happen, and I think they should model what Daredevil is capable of on folks like them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation

Ben Underwood (who sadly passed away in 2009 from the cancer that took his sight) is a perfect example of what is technically possible, albeit very rare and quite exceptional, for the visually handicapped:

[YT]r9mvRRwu5Gw[/YT]

Wow that video was really inspirational. That's so tragic that he died, i wish i didn't see that :/

 

[Savage]

I'm more of a Bendis or Miller kind of guy than a Waid kind of guy, myself. The pulpy fun episodic stuff is nice, but Daredevil was truly defined as a character and as a franchise when the comics became very dark and gritty crime thrillers with some stylized aesthetics thrown in on top.


Another question: How do you think they'll handle Daredevil's power levels? Daredevil's senses became increasingly potent over the years, he started out still needing electronic surveillance devices to listen in on conversations in a room one floor below him back when Stan Lee was still writing his book, and by the time Bendis was writing it he could sit on the roof of a six story building and listen in on a conversation going on in a locked and partially soundproofed room on the first floor with just his ears.

Personally, I vastly prefer the former take on his powers over the later. Making him too perfect at what he does gets kind of silly with very little gain beyond indulgence. It's a problem Batman stories fall into all the time that I'd rather see Daredevil avoid as often as possible.

I like his powers when they're amped up the most. I like seeing that his powers are amazing in their own right and to be admired even as a person with all five working senses. His loss of sight should still be tragic and that should be emphasized (not being able to know color or watch movies and see nature and such) but his remaining four senses should be admirable. Not to the point where he can read invitations by just being in the vicinity, though. That became a little much. I'm willing to accept him reading by passing his hands over print. I want his four senses to be as amazing as Luke Cage's super strength or Spider-man's agility. Something that makes even other heroes say "woah".

 

[gohei_]

This would make sense especially for the introduction of Elektra, as they did in the comics.



Somewhere in the middle would be best.
You do want him to come off as super, but it does seem ridiculous in the recent Waid run, I think it was anyways, when he locates a person who he has no clue where they are just by listening for their cough...
Amidst the cacophony of New York I can't suspend disbelief that much.

Yeah I would like to see the part where he rescues Elektra from some thugs and he breaks his staff in two pieces.


That cough thing was in Miller's run and it's actually something I would like to see on screen. Maybe not the exact same thing but have him sit on top of a high building/skyscraper looking around for a specific sound, and make him really push his limits in order to find it, cycling through a lot of different noises.