Dawn of the Planet of the Apes - Part 1

[Supernova]

thats the one thing I dont get with these new films, we root for the apes that are in the now but in the originals I hated them with a passion. Not too mention we know where this is all going so Its not like the humans have a fair chance for winning.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

We know the destination but not the journey. The journey is the best part.

 

[DA_Champion]

Did you really hate the Apes in the 1960s/1970s movies "with a passion"?

If they make a movie where the audience is cheering for the extinction of the human race, then that's a creative achievement.

 

[Supernova]

Did you really hate the Apes in the 1960s/1970s movies "with a passion"?

If they make a movie where the audience is cheering for the extinction of the human race, then that's a creative achievement.

passion is a strong word but I didnt like them that much outisde of ceaser. Not alot of them were very interesting ethier or deep character wise.

I think Andy Serkis has to get the most credit for helping to turn this franchise around and make people actually root for the apes to wipe the humans out. To me this franchise was dead after Burton's terrible take and I honestly thought we would never see another one for atleast 20 years.

 

[DA_Champion]

The credit goes to Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver.

 

[MrMaooz]

I felt bad for the Apes at times in the previous film, but I was rooting for the humans. Most of my friends says they're rooting for the apes. We'll see how things are presented in this next film, but as of right now, I'm rooting for the humans.

I feel like I'm kind of in the minority on this.

 

[Hyde]

Because you are

 

[Loki882]

Well it's hard not to. Pretty much all of the Apes were presented as victims. Locked up, abused, horribly experimented on, etc. Caesar had it better than most because Franco, Lithgow, and later on Pinto's characters actually cared about him, but he still went through his far share of crap. And it was the stupid humans who started the pandemic that nearly wiped them out.

 

[Lord]

I haven't watched the last film in a while, but wasn't the Pandemic caused by James Franco's character? His neighbour was kind of innocent, he only ended up having hte bad luck of living near Caesar.

passion is a strong word but I didnt like them that much outisde of ceaser. Not alot of them were very interesting ethier or deep character wise.

I think Andy Serkis has to get the most credit for helping to turn this franchise around and make people actually root for the apes to wipe the humans out. To me this franchise was dead after Burton's terrible take and I honestly thought we would never see another one for atleast 20 years.

To be fair, before Burton's remake, the franchise was already dead, his adaptation was also very successful and probably the reason we ended up getting these movies.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In the first film I saw the apes as stand ins for "insert oppressed minority here." I'm black so that's probably the minority that I would use even though that's kinda funny because racist a-holes refer to us as apes as an insult but whatever I'm going with that probably cringeworthy comparison. That and the human characters being poorly written is why my sympathy was with the Apes.

This new film doesn't look as clear cut as the original, it seems like both sides are in the wrong to a certain degree. The Apes are cool though so I'll probably still continue to root for them over the humans.

 

[DA_Champion]

I haven't watched the last film in a while, but wasn't the Pandemic caused by James Franco's character? His neighbour was kind of innocent, he only ended up having hte bad luck of living near Caesar.

Yes and no, Oyewolo's character proceeds with human trials as fast a spossible over the objections of Franco's character, who thinks that the company should take their time to better understand things.

Oyewolo's character was really dumb in the first film, he's the weakest link narratively.

 

[Hyde]

I mean, it's always going to be morally complex with something like this; sure, we've basically ****ed up the environment (which the Apes live in) and Caesar and co were abused in the Apes care place thing, but that was just a small portion of the population we saw. Not all the humans are like that. So there's also the question of did we really deserve to be completely wiped out by the Apes? It's interesting, but I'm still rooting for Caesar.

 

[Lord]

I root for Caesar, but not for Koba

 

[DA_Champion]

I mean, it's always going to be morally complex with something like this; sure, we've basically ****ed up the environment (which the Apes live in) and Caesar and co were abused in the Apes care place thing, but that was just a small portion of the population we saw. Not all the humans are like that. So there's also the question of did we really deserve to be completely wiped out by the Apes? It's interesting, but I'm still rooting for Caesar.

#notallhumans

 

[Loki882]

Well the first movie made it clear that not all humans were bad. Franco, Pinto, and Lithgow all showed that. Heck even Brian Cox's character didn't seem particularly "bad." Maybe a bit insensitive, but not a bad guy.

 

[dark_b]

I root for Caesar, but not for Koba

Koba is a victim. i feel sorry for him and i understand him.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

In the first film I saw the apes as stand ins for "insert oppressed minority here." I'm black so that's probably the minority that I would use even though that's kinda funny because racist a-holes refer to us as apes as an insult but whatever I'm going with that probably cringeworthy comparison. That and the human characters being poorly written is why my sympathy was with the Apes.

This new film doesn't look as clear cut as the original, it seems like both sides are in the wrong to a certain degree. The Apes are cool though so I'll probably still continue to root for them over the humans.

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

 

[Schlosser85]

Caesar was the only character I felt anything for in the first film. The human characters were too bland and one-dimensional to get a reaction.

 

[Lord]

Koba is a victim. i feel sorry for him and i understand him.

He's a victim that has become an opressor, and now reflects the worst in mankind.

 

[Schlosser85]

"became what he beheld"

 

[Supernova]

To be fair, before Burton's remake, the franchise was already dead, his adaptation was also very successful and probably the reason we ended up getting these movies.

which blows my mind because I flat out hated burtons take and knew a bunch of people who felt the same. I thought it was bland and had fake looking sets and flat human characters. The only redeeming factor in that movie for me was Tim Roth and the ape suits which were leaps and bonds ahead of the originals.

 

[Supernova]

He's a victim that has become an opressor, and now reflects the worst in mankind.

I can see Koba being one of the apes that in the event of ceasers death would lead us down the path to the original movie where as long as ceaser is alive and leading then humanity has a chance to live in peace with apes.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

And some people aren't intellectually curious.

 

[Schlosser85]

Apes as stand ins for oppressed minority? Really? Some people just like to see metaphors everywhere it seems.

...it's not exactly a subtle metaphor.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Not everything has to be metaphors. Those movies exist because it's interesting to see how our cruelty to animals (which is obviously very much reality based) turns against us, just a classic theme that has always worked.

@ I SEE SPIDEY: or some people aren't so susceptible.