DC Relaunch: Of the 52 what'll be the first title to be late and/or get canned?

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Fifty-two titles. All monthly. All starting in September. All going day-and-date digital simultaneously - which can need a greater lead time than the printing press. Getting print dates and digital dates to match can be tricky when a publisher is dealing with Diamond on one side and Apple on the other.

Also, not every artist is as fast as they may need to be, some books have a greater lead in time than others, some writers were only attached to their respective comic a week ago.

And some books clearly have a greater appeal than others.

But rather than debate the pros and cons endlessly, we though we'd put out money where our mouth and organize a deadpool. From the list, make your choices...

1. Which book will first skip its solicited week of shipping?

2. Which book will first have a mismatch between digital and print availablity?

3. Which book will first skip the month it is solicited in?

4. Which book will first feature an unsolicited fill-in?

5. Which book will be cancelled first?

As such, I thought it would perhaps be fun to start a thread here on the hype. I will gather my thoughts and have my candidates up shortly.
 
Honestly, DC has been pretty good about their schedule. Once they start a comic, they usually manage to keep it on track. The only area where things might get dicey is same day digital release. I don't think they'll miss a step on paper. They managed to do 52 weekly after all.
 
Yeah Im aware of that and there's only a few really valid answers to the ones about lateness that I'm aware of (Hawk and Dove because of Liefeld, Batman Dark Knight because it already runs late and possibly JL due to Jim Lee). I was most interested in speculation on what was gonna be cancelled first.
 
If Lee is the only artist working on JLA, it will be late. Period. That's a fact, not a guess.

I'd say DC Universe Presents will probably be the first canceled. Anthology books pretty much never do well these days. If it's going to feature characters like Deadman, with no overt connection to major players, people will have even less interest in it. If not for that lack of connection, I would've said Batwing would probably be the first to get canceled, but that obviously has the overt Batman connection working for it.
 
True that on Justice League. Maybe DC will have a filler artist on standby though. It'd be the smart move to do. I mean, nobody cares about Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder, but DC's flagship title would do well to be on time. They could miss a month at the most.

As for titles getting cancelled? Mr. Terrific might make 12, but no more. Same goes for DC Universe Presents, although DC stuck by Brave and the Bold for quite a while. I don't see Sgt. Rock or Hawk and Dove staying around for any significant amount of time either.
 
Yeah, I suppose some of the comics might stick around purely out of DC trying to push them. Blue Beetle and REBELS' sales could've gotten them canceled long before they finally went down, but DC stuck with them for whatever reason in spite of that. So with that in mind, I doubt anyone could really call which relaunch comic will crash and burn first. DC works in mysterious ways. :ninja:
 
DC will force ALL the books to do anywhere between 24 to 36 issues, because a cancelled book will just make the entire relaunch look bad... they have a history of keeping low selling books on the market... hell, I think Jonah Hex was hovering around 15k, and I honestly believe we would have seen an issue #100 in 3 years had it kept going...

I'm going to call 24 issues minimum before a title gets canned, and they'll have a bunch of replacement titles already to go when this happens...
 
I kinda like that about Dc though. Gives a good book that isn't selling a lot to at least finish its story most of time.
 
It also keeps potentially more interesting books off the market because the higher-ups are too busy pushing what they think the readers want, never mind how loudly the sales numbers are shouting otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'd gladly take DC's method if it meant another few issues of SWORD or any number of other titles Marvel canceled after barely an arc, if that, but at the same time, you can only push something the majority of the audience doesn't want for so long before it goes beyond having faith in the book and becomes you simply pushing your own agenda.
 
If Lee is the only artist working on JLA, it will be late. Period. That's a fact, not a guess.
Not really. The only DC book that Lee has been late on is All Star Batman and Robin, a book that he essentially gave up on. His runs on Batman and Superman really weren't plagued with delays. It's really going to come down to how much Lee's workload is. If he just sticks with art and his co-publishing duties, I don't think that Justice League is going to have a lot of delays. If he does anything else on top of what he's doing now, absolutely for sure.
 
He also didn't have as active a hand in running the company when he drew Batman and Superman. I will be very, very surprised if every issue of JLA comes out on time.
 
He also has gone on record saying that his new duties allow him more time to actually get back to what he does best. DC Universe Online is what has kept him out of the game lately, I don't think there was a single Delay on Hush or For Tommorrow.
 
wont last more than a year....

1 ALL-STAR WESTERN
2 ANIMAL MAN
3 AQUAMAN
4 BATGIRL
5 BATMAN
6 BATMAN AND ROBIN
7 BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT
8 BATWING
9 BATWOMAN
10 BIRDS OF PREY
11 BLACKHAWKS
12 CAPTAIN ATOM
13 CATWOMAN
14 DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS
15 DEATHSTROKE
16 DEMON KNIGHTS
17 DETECTIVE COMICS
18 FLASH
19 FRANKENSTEIN, AGENT OF S.H.A.D.E.
20 FURY OF FIRESTORM
21 GREEN ARROW
22 GREEN LANTERN
23 GREEN LANTERN CORPS
24 GREEN LANTERN: THE NEW GUARDIANS
25 GRIFTER
26 HAWK & DOVE
27 I, VAMPIRE
28 JUSTICE LEAGUE
29 JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK
30 JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL
31 LEGION LOST
32 LEGION OF SUPERHEROES
33 MISTER TERRIFIC
34 NIGHTWING
35 OMAC
36 RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS
37 RED LANTERNS
38 RESURRECTION MAN
39 SAVAGE HAWKMAN
40 SGT. ROCK AND THE MEN OF WAR
41 STATIC SHOCK
42 STORMWATCH
43 SWAMP THING
44 TEEN TITANS
45 VOODOO
46 WONDER WOMAN
47 BLUE BEETLE
48 SUICIDE SQUAD
49 SUPERMAN
50 ACTION COMICS
51 SUPERBOY
52 SUPERGIRL
 
1. Which book will first skip its solicited week of shipping?
Batman: The Dark Knight - David Finch has always, always, ALWAYS been absurdly slow. I wouldn't be surprised to see his first issue end up getting delayed.

Hawk & Dove - Rob Liefeld is another Image artist who has a tradition of being rather late with his books. Hell, he ended up being late with a two issue arc of Teen Titans for crying out loud.

The Savage Hawkman
- It really looks like this book has been put together at the last minute due to James Robinson's departure. Maybe since he's just writing it, Tony Daniel can make a couple of scripts on time, but will Philip Tan be able to do so?

Justice League - I know that a lot of people are saying that this book is guaranteed to be late, but I think that this one is going to come down to just how much Jim Lee is working. If he does anything beyond just his co-publishing duties and art, this book is going to end up being late. But if he sticks with what he should be doing, this book will probably be as timely as his runs on Batman and Superman.

2. Which book will first have a mismatch between digital and print availability?
This one can go with any book. I don't think it'll be Justice League on account that DC is really promoting this one with their digital initiative and selling the physical and digital copies together, but the rest, who knows.

3. Which book will first skip the month it is solicited in?
Batman: The Dark Knight - This book really is a joke in regards to scheduling. Finch not being able to put out a monthly book makes me surprised that DC decided to relaunch it as opposed to just simply putting the book out of its misery the way they did with All Star Batman and Robin.

4. Which book will first feature an unsolicited fill-in?
Batman: The Dark Knight - DC appears to be clamping down on this book by making David Finch work with Jay Fabok in order for the book to come out as much as possible. In case if you haven't noticed, I really don't have any faith in this book.

5. Which book will be cancelled first?
Instead of guessing which one will get cancelled first, I'll just go over what will get cancelled quickly.
Batman: The Dark Knight - I'm just ****ing with y'all. :awesome:. This book will probably be a top 10 seller with Johns' Green Lantern, Morrison's Action Comics, Johns and Lees' Justice League, and Snyder's Batman. Even if it will be crap.

Batwing - Out of all the various Batman, Inc. members to make a book out of (El Gaucho, Knight and Squire, Nightrunner), DC decided to make a book out of this one :dry:

Blackhawks - Who was asking for a Blackhawks book set in the modern day?

DC Universe Presents - Just what is this book going to be about. Anthology titles just aren't selling well these days.

Demon Knights - Despite having some greater exposure thanks to Action Comics, I don't think that even Paul Cornell can sell a book like Demon Knights, based on how poorly Knight and Squire sold. It will be awesome though.

Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E. - Unlike Paul Cornell and Scott Snyder, I don't think that Jeff Lemire has had a DC Universe title to boost his career and name recognition. Cornell being on Stormwatch makes me think that there will be at least some life to that title while Lemire on Frankenstein, while most likely being awesome, will probably sell very low. If only he had gotten the exposure that Cornell and Snyder have.

Grifter and Voodoo - It would have made more sense to have integrated the WildStorm properties in the DC Universe with Ron Marz on WildC.A.T.S. as opposed to giving Grifter and Voodoo their own solo titles. Ron Marz on WildC.A.T.S., Paul Cornell on Stormwatch, and Gail Simone on Gen13, along with being set in the DC Universe could have done wonders for the WildStorm properties as opposed to solo titles some of these characters.

I, Vampire - I don't think that comic book readers, dominated by Twilight hating male readers, don't want to read girly looking vampire books.

Mister Terrific - I can understand DC wanting to try out a Mister Terrific book considering how well liked the character is and wanting to promote more minority superheroes, but with Eric Wallace of Titans on this book....PASS :o

O.M.A.C. - The Dan DiDio and Keith Giffen writing team produced one of DC's lowest selling books with Outsiders. Considering that demand for O.M.A.C. is even lower, this is going to be one of the first cancelled titles, if not THE first.

Red Hood and the Outlaws - Instead of a new Red Robin book, we're getting this. And even worse, Judd Winick isn't even writing this, and a Jason Todd that is not written by Judd Winick, tends to be written horribly. On the bright side, at least it looks like Roy is getting his arm back, but looking at that trucker hat, maybe I would prefer the missing arm :csad:

Resurrection Man - Even though DnA are a great creative team, they aren't exactly a creative team that comic book readers go out in droves to buy, even when they're on books that have well known characters like Iron Man/Thor, Heroes for Hire, Nova, etc. DnA on a book based on a character that very few people outside of the hardcore geeks, is going to sell poorly. Regardless of how good it is.

Sgt. Rock and the Men of War and Suicide Squad - These are books that I think with different creative teams would have seen some decent small scale success like Secret Six, Jonah Hex, Blue Beetle, and R.E.B.E.L.S. With the creative teams chosen for these books however....no way in hell.
 
He also didn't have as active a hand in running the company when he drew Batman and Superman. I will be very, very surprised if every issue of JLA comes out on time.

Even with his duties of running the company is still significantly less than what he tried to do when he was on All Star Batman and Robin. He did all the design work for DC Universe Online, tried to do WildC.A.T.S. with Grant Morrison, tried to revitalize the WildStorm imprint, plus variant covers for multiple books. That is just waaay too much art for one man to do at the same time.
 
Man, I would kill for a Wildcats series with Hadrian as some hotshot new CEO of Halo, Inc. in the DC universe, rubbing elbows with the likes of Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor while running his secret covert ops squad out of Halo's sublevels.
 
Man, I would kill for a Wildcats series with Hadrian as some hotshot new CEO of Halo, Inc. in the DC universe, rubbing elbows with the likes of Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor while running his secret covert ops squad out of Halo's sublevels.

If done right, I think that the WildStorm characters can fit in just as well as the Fawcett, Quality, Milestone, and Charlton characters have.
 
If done right, I think that the WildStorm characters can fit in just as well as the Fawcett, Quality, Milestone, and Charlton characters have.

They've done nothing but crap on those characters for the most part, the Fawcett characters in particular. As long as Lee is around they'll get decent treatment I suppose.
 
Batman: The Dark Knight - David Finch has always, always, ALWAYS been absurdly slow. I wouldn't be surprised to see his first issue end up getting delayed.

Finch isn't penciling his work alone anymore due to his slowness.

The Savage Hawkman
- It really looks like this book has been put together at the last minute due to James Robinson's departure. Maybe since he's just writing it, Tony Daniel can make a couple of scripts on time, but will Philip Tan be able to do so?

Daniel started writing both Hawkman and Detective Comic scripts early this year, i think he also said Tan is mostly if not completely done with issue one.
 
Man, I would kill for a Wildcats series with Hadrian as some hotshot new CEO of Halo, Inc. in the DC universe, rubbing elbows with the likes of Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor while running his secret covert ops squad out of Halo's sublevels.

That would be a fab idea for a series. Now that their bringing the Wildstorm characters into the DCU I hope something like that will happen :up:
 
Finch isn't penciling his work alone anymore due to his slowness.


Daniel started writing both Hawkman and Detective Comic scripts early this year, i think he also said Tan is mostly if not completely done with issue one.

Well, at least the first issue will come out on time.

I'm glad they just punted and started over with Hawkman. His history was waaayyy to f'd up for him to ever have a chance of catching on. Best move of the reboot along with not ending the Batman, INC idea and of course making Supes the first ever superhero again.
 
1. Which book will first skip its solicited week of shipping?
Hawk and Dove or Batman: Dark Knight.

2. Which book will first have a mismatch between digital and print availablity?
Not sure about this one.

3. Which book will first skip the month it is solicited in?
Batman: Dark Knight. It already has a history of lateness and I doubt even Liefeld (since supposedly he's been working on Hawk and Dove for awhile) can make Hawk and Dove as late as Dark Knight is gonna be.

4. Which book will first feature an unsolicited fill-in?
I'm gonna say Justice League will have an artist to finish a couple pages for Lee early on. As for somebody else doing a full issue? I'm gonna go ahead and say Hawk and Dove with Liefeld leaving abruptly to to focus on his thing with Kirkman over at Image.

5. Which book will be cancelled first?
There's a ****ton of candidates for this. I'm gonna just pick which I think are most likely to be cancelled from each announcement group.

Justice League Books:
Mister Terrific and DCU Presents both are high risks. Anthology books don't do well and Mister Terrific just doesn't have enough pull to last all that long.

Batman Books:
A few solid candidates here. Batwing which was ill advised to begin with. Red Hood and the Outlaws has its work cut out for it, especially without Winick writing and similarly I don't know that a Oracle and Gail Simone-less Birds of Prey is gonna make it when the writer and the character are so heavily associated with the book.

Supernatural Books:
Frankly as excited as I am about most of these I don't see anything but Swamp Thing and Justice League Dark making it very long. However, I, Vampire has the least appeal of any of these with everybody hating Vampire romance and absolutely no characters with a fanbase.

"Next Generation of Justice" books:
Hawk and Dove without question will be the first of these to go.

The "Edge" books:
Most of these probably won't make it for very long but I think OMAC will probably be the first to go.
 
They've done nothing but crap on those characters for the most part, the Fawcett characters in particular. As long as Lee is around they'll get decent treatment I suppose.

I would say that only until recently were they treated pretty well. I think really only the recent stories of such characters have been harsh on them. While Ted Kord died a heroic death and his successor is very enjoyable, the Question died horribly and his successor is incredibly boring at the same time, she used to be awesome. Captain Marvel was introduced very well in the DCU until Infinite Crisis screwed everything up.
 

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