dceu DOES needs to be fixed, But copying Marvel won't help

[Boy Scout]

I wouldn’t describe any Marvel movie I’ve seen as somber.

 

[Frodo]

Funny and upbeat: GOTG, Ant-Man, Thor: Ragnarok

Somber and serious: CA:TWS, CA:CW, Black Panther

Hmm, it's almost like MCU has done it already.

Black Panther isn't somber. Its certainly one of the best superhero films to date and is capstone and milestone in the genre in general.

It's deep, and its speaks to me on a deep level, but its not somber. If anything, I walked out inspired by it.

The other two cap films are serious but they aren't somber as well, nor do they even try to be.

My argument isn't that Marvel films aren't serious. My argument is that they all tend to have a similar tone to each other though I consider Black Panther to be more of a break and demarcation from the other Marvel films. But that's just me.

 

[blackdragon6]

I consider Black Panther to be more of a break and demarcation from the other Marvel films. But that's just me.

I still can't help but think some suite at either Marvel Studios or Disney was squirming in their seats at what Coogler was doing.

 

[ernesth100]

I feel like they just need pacing, timing and faithfulness to the comics. That's all.

 

[Frodo]

I still can't help but think some suite at either Marvel Studios or Disney was squirming in their seats at what Coogler was doing.

I wouldn't be surprised if some at Disney and Marvel studios were , though it seems like Feige was confident enough in Coogler.

If anything , I hope Black Panther will make them more confident in leaning into a more filmmaker driven approach to their characters.

 

[Eldenfirefly]

From the perspective of a person here who knew about DC and marvel comic books, yet never really read most of them. Nothing which some of you guys are talking about like flashpoint actually registers high on any of the non-comic book fan's conscience. You have have to be a DC comic book fan to know about flashpoint, but I will bet that the number of potential superhero movie goers is far more than the number of comic book fans.

This is why I feel that they just have to make good movies. Its not about killing yourself trying to create a coherent universe (though that helps abit). Its about making a good movie and telling a good story.

Too many superhero movies are relying on an origin story, and how the superhero beats some CGI heavy big baddie to tell the story. Its overused and rehashed to be point where its no longer a draw anymore. If you are introducing a lessor known superhero that the non comic book fans don't know about, then their origin story has to be interesting enough on its own. It can't be the only selling point. Meanwhile, the known heroes origin stories are already well known. How many times do you want to rehash how batman or superman came about ?

So, tell a good story and make a good movie. It doesn't need to be so closely linked to the DCEU at all. Look at how successful the movie Black Panther was, and yet, it didn't really have any mention or link to the Marvel universe at all. It would have made all the money it did even if it was a standalone. And for all respects and purposes, it was a standalone movie.

 

[Frodo]

From the perspective of a person here who knew about DC and marvel comic books, yet never really read most of them. Nothing which some of you guys are talking about like flashpoint actually registers high on any of the non-comic book fan's conscience. You have have to be a DC comic book fan to know about flashpoint, but I will bet that the number of potential superhero movie goers is far more than the number of comic book fans.

This is why I feel that they just have to make good movies. Its not about killing yourself trying to create a coherent universe (though that helps abit). Its about making a good movie and telling a good story.

Too many superhero movies are relying on an origin story, and how the superhero beats some CGI heavy big baddie to tell the story. Its overused and rehashed to be point where its no longer a draw anymore. If you are introducing a lessor known superhero that the non comic book fans don't know about, then their origin story has to be interesting enough on its own. It can't be the only selling point. Meanwhile, the known heroes origin stories are already well known. How many times do you want to rehash how batman or superman came about ?

So, tell a good story and make a good movie. It doesn't need to be so closely linked to the DCEU at all. Look at how successful the movie Black Panther was, and yet, it didn't really have any mention or link to the Marvel universe at all. It would have made all the money it did even if it was a standalone. And for all respects and purposes, it was a standalone movie.

That's pretty much the perspective I come from as well.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

the DCEU should copy the perfect template in front of them that was the DCAU

they had critical and fan loved gold and STILL haven't used that as the well of ideas

 

[Johnglen]

Bingo.

DC don’t need to copy Marvel to be successful. They just have to make movies that don’t suck.

So much truth in so few words.

 

[blackdragon6]

the DCEU should copy the perfect template in front of them that was the DCAU

Now THIS i can get behind.