Sequels Why Spiderman's presence in the MCU needs to be established, why SMCU is not enough

[jihado86]

Agreed. That's one reason why they should get it back.

yeah and it's obvious that Marvel always want their own background and their own and special take for their characters.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I personnally think if Marvel gets back the rights for Spider-Man they will reboot the whole franchise.

by the way, I found this in Trivia section for The Avengers IMDB page:
"The filmmakers secured the rights from Columbia Pictures to feature OsCorp Tower from The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) in New York. Unfortunately, by then digital rendering of the skyline was already complete and it could not appear."

that would be a big mistake imo

and yeah, the oscorp tower was supposed to and definitely should've been in avengers. if they were talking about making it happen why didn't they just delay the digital rendering of the skyline?

Yeah I refuse to believe that unless Kevin Feige or someone else actually acknowledges it.

I got news for you buddy, kevin feige did confirm that there was a conversation about getting oscorp into avengers, but the deal was "never close to happening." they did talk about it though.

http://reviewer.lavoixdunord.fr/fr/...hulk-ou-guardians-il-nous-dit-tout-interview/

I'm not sure why this is even a thread. We all know Spidey would be better off in the MCU. It doesn't matter. Marvel doesn't have the rights and Sony isn't about to give them up. End of story.

lemme make you sure. if you looked through this thread and the forums all around about the topic then you'd know there's people who don't want spidey in the mcu at all.

and the story doesn't end here. as long as they keep making spiderman movies without being part of the mcu, i'm going to keep saying one of the major flaws of the films are that they are being kept separate from the mcu.

yeah and it's obvious that Marvel always want their own background and their own and special take for their characters.

i didn't even know big hero 6 was based on marvel comics. but otherwise most of the time seems they are faithful, you know. sometimes they make changes to be more contemporary but that's what should happen since the comics are contemporary literature as well.

 

[Rorschach2012]

they can still incorporate the TASM movies into the MCU continuity. If something like AOS can be in continuity, these Spider-Man movies can be in continuity too.

 

[smallville fan]

As much as I love the idea of Spidey in the MCU, I would love something like the recent Spider-verse storyline(in the comics and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon) with solo films to supplement like Miles Morales or Spider-Man 2099. But noooo, we gotta deal with Avi Arad(the person who I feel is inhibiting progress and the guy who ruined Spider-Man 3 who's still screwing with Spidey) who's all like: "It's just too weird having another Spider-Man, the audience won't digest anything new and bold like that, so let's stick to what's familiar."

Meanwhile at Marvel Studios, their new and bold movie with the Talking Racoon and Tree becomes one of the best films of the year winning over audiences and critics. Also over at DC, they're attempting to put both Batman and Superman in the same universe and create an expanded DC Universe on film and television.

Sony has no excuse here. All they should do is fire Avi Arad and things should move up for Spidey.

 

[GuestStar2004]

they can still incorporate the TASM movies into the MCU continuity. If something like AOS can be in continuity, these Spider-Man movies can be in continuity too.

Sony and marvel would have to come to some serious agreements and apparently that sorta thing can take months to get anywhere since everyone has to come out of it happy

 

[Rorschach2012]

Sony and marvel would have to come to some serious agreements and apparently that sorta thing can take months to get anywhere since everyone has to come out of it happy

Yeah I know that, and i'm aware it'll likely never happen, but it should happen! And it could if the two parties were willing to work together

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

they can still incorporate the TASM movies into the MCU continuity. If something like AOS can be in continuity, these Spider-Man movies can be in continuity too.

wats aos?

i kinda want spiderman in the MCU but not just spiderman. i would like to see andrew garfield and his universe interact there. i really don't care when it takes place or why he wasn't in the invasion even though you should ask that about every character in the marvel universe that question but whatever. it'd be nice if he did beat up a couple of crooks and villains outside his rogues gallery and some even being involved in gang related stuff. i also want him as just a tv series instead of a movie because of how huge his mythos is

spidey's absence in avengers is easily explained. avengers took place beforehand, and that is the reason why there were so many cranes fixing manhattan in asm1.

all it could've taken was cranedad saying "if there's one thing an alien invasion is good for, it's creating tons of new construction jobs."

 

[Rorschach2012]

AOS is Agents of Shield. I personally am not a fan, so I was saying if that show is allowed to be in continuity, then the decent TASM and the boring TASM2 could fit right in to the MCU

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

AOS is Agents of Shield. I personally am not a fan, so I was saying if that show is allowed to be in continuity, then the decent TASM and the boring TASM2 could fit right in to the MCU

oh ok

lol wait are you saying asm would fit because it is boring just like the aos series?

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

AOS is Agents of Shield. I personally am not a fan, so I was saying if that show is allowed to be in continuity, then the decent TASM and the boring TASM2 could fit right in to the MCU

Okay, but regardless of how you feel about Agents of Shield, it's been under Marvel's creative control since it's conception. Nothing that's happened in the show conflicts what Marvel is doing in the MCU.

Who's to say Marvel would want Harry to be the one to kill Gwen, or even for Gwen to be dead? Incorporating the series limits what Marvel can do creatively.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Okay, but regardless of how you feel about Agents of Shield, it's been under Marvel's creative control since it's conception. Nothing that's happened in the show conflicts what Marvel is doing in the MCU.

Who's to say Marvel would want Harry to be the one to kill Gwen, or even for Gwen to be dead? Incorporating the series limits what Marvel can do creatively.

it's what happened in the mainstream comics of spiderman. just like in the mainstream iron man comics, he was stuck in a cave with a man named yinsen.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

it's what happened in the mainstream comics of spiderman. just like in the mainstream iron man comics, he was stuck in a cave with a man named yinsen.

Harry did not kill Gwen in the comics.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Harry did not kill Gwen in the comics.

but the goblin at the time did. and gwen did die.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

yinsen was also Asian, not middle eastern. but they made that changed to be more contemporary which is fine because like I said, comics are contemporary literature.

 

[Rorschach2012]

oh ok

lol wait are you saying asm would fit because it is boring just like the aos series?

Yeah that's what i'm sayin

The most ideal scenario for Spidey in the MCU is a HUGE budgeted Netflix series.

Spidey has so many amazing villains, a show is the best way to get to all of them

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

yinsen was also Asian, not middle eastern. but they made that changed to be more contemporary which is fine because like I said, comics are contemporary literature.

You're missing the point. Marvel is the one who decided to make that change, not another studio.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yeah that's what i'm sayin

The most ideal scenario for Spidey in the MCU is a HUGE budgeted Netflix series.

Spidey has so many amazing villains, a show is the best way to get to all of them

I dunno man, I feel like spidey deserves the big screen treatment just like the rest of the marvel doodies

You're missing the point. Marvel is the one who decided to make that change, not another studio.

I ain't missing the point. marvel made those changes yes, and sony made their changes but they both pretty much still follow the mainstream events of the comics.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Spider-man needs to run its course with Sony. They made their bed. Now they have to lie in it.

If Marvel Studios ever gets the rights back, I doubt they'd want to limit themselves creatively by adapting Sony's TASM continuity to fit their own universe. If anything, they'd probably be more inclined to let Spider-Man rest for several years while focusing their energies on other properties. Honestly, giving the character an extended vacation is probably what he needs the most.

Theres not exactly much continuity to worry about really. With Mary Jane,Jameson,Eddie Brock etc all yet to come.

Plus they have a great Peter Parker/Spider-Man that would play VERY well off of the main characters of the MCU.

 

[TheVileOne]

that would be a big mistake imo

and yeah, the oscorp tower was supposed to and definitely should've been in avengers. if they were talking about making it happen why didn't they just delay the digital rendering of the skyline?

I got news for you buddy, kevin feige did confirm that there was a conversation about getting oscorp into avengers, but the deal was "never close to happening." they did talk about it though.

http://reviewer.lavoixdunord.fr/fr/...hulk-ou-guardians-il-nous-dit-tout-interview/

Yeah, "never close to happening" is exactly what I mean.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah that's what i'm sayin

The most ideal scenario for Spidey in the MCU is a HUGE budgeted Netflix series.

Spidey has so many amazing villains, a show is the best way to get to all of them

in terms of daredevil and spider-man... which one do you think would be cheaper to make?

it certainly would have to be a huge budget, and i don't know how tv works but they would certainly have to be worth their time in terms of however they make their money back in tv

 

[Destructus86]

I cannot believe there is even talk of rebooting spiderman. AGAIN. Sony is brutalizing the character. :/

 

[W/ Great Power]

I cannot believe there is even talk of rebooting spiderman. AGAIN. Sony is brutalizing the character. :/

While I think it would hurt the character to a certain extent, I also think an exceptionally well-made product can make the audience forget about this series. I never imagined even envisioning a different Spidey than Tobey's after the original trilogy, but I support Garfield's Spider-Man now and both will always hold an equal place in my memory as a fan.

 

[sl500jazz]

Theres not exactly much continuity to worry about really. With Mary Jane,Jameson,Eddie Brock etc all yet to come.

Plus they have a great Peter Parker/Spider-Man that would play VERY well off of the main characters of the MCU.

Regardless of which characters have or haven't been introduced, Sony's (controversial) decisions regarding the Osborns, the Stacys, Connors, the Oscorp villains, etc. would restrict future Marvel stories. Adapting the Ditko-Romita years (largely considered to be the Golden age of Spider-Man lore) with all of the major players in tow would be completely out of the question, and this does place HUGE limitations on them creatively.

With regards to Peter Parker/Spider-Man, I get it. Some people really like Spidey's quipping fun-loving attitude in the Webbverse, and to a certain extent, I do too. But, at the end of the day, it's superficial, and could easily be portrayed (and perhaps more effectively utilized) in another adaptation.

To be honest, I think this Peter Parker/Spider-Man is far from being the best adaptation of that character. Imo, Josh Keaton's portrayal in TSSM easily wears that crown.

Btw, I DO NOT think that Sony's TASM should be rebooted anytime soon. They should continue with their plans, let this version of Spidey run it's course. Then, if/when Marvel gets their hands on the character, which probably won't happen until the 2020's at the earliest, they should do their own thing.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yeah, "never close to happening" is exactly what I mean.

but there WAS a conversation about it. if they at least talked about it once (which means at one point they thought it was a good idea), I do not see why they cannot talk about it again.

 

[Gr0oT]

Because at this point Sony has crafted an inferior Spider-Man.
Everything they've brought to the table so far just isn't that great.
If ever Spidey ends up in the MCU start him off like they did the Hulk and plan to do Doctor Strange.