Sequels Dear Fox, respect the continuity!

[Supermanreturns]

I don't know if Fox, mr. Singer or Mr. Vaughn, the screenwriters or Miss Shuler Donner will never read that topic but yes...

One thing that in X-cinematic Universe is made us fans crazy is apparently "lack" of continuity. From X-Men Origins: Wolverine to X-Men: First Class seems Fox ignored something about the previous three movies and they forget some lines or characters or events they said in previous movies.

This is a promemoria for producers, screenwriters or director(s) of next X-Movies to made the continuity works.

Every user can report his idea of "continuity works".
t:

- Wolverine's Emma, played by Tahyna Tozzi.
They can explain she's simply Emma Silverfox, Kayla's Sister, with the diamond's mutation (like Emma Frost). Like i have explained in X: FC's topics, the X-Universe is full of mutants with same mutations.

- The mutants' rescue in Wolverine
A bald but walking Xavier save the mutants from Stryker. They can remade this scene in next FC's movie with a bald but walking McAvoy's Xavier that rescue the mutants. They also can make Beast the pilot of the airplane!

- First Class, first costumes
In X1 (but also in X3) is clearly explained that the First Class is composed by Cyclops, Beast, Jean and Storm. So introduce Cyclops, Jean and Storm in next FC's movies. And set the dark black costumes before the end of third FC's movie.

- Beast must leave the team
In X1 Beast isn't in the team, in X3 is a politician. So before the end of the third FC's movie, he must leave the team to became politician.

- Banshee, Havok...Where they will go?
Banshee or Havok aren't in the trilogy. Explain where do they go before the start of X1. Banshee can dies (i know, it's a bad idea...but you know, they're movies), Havok can met Polaris in next FC's movies and join Moira in Muir Island.

- THE BROTHERHOOD
Before the end of third FC's movie, Magneto must form the Brotherhood: Mystique, Toad and Sabretooth.

- Victor Creed is...Sabretooth!
In X1 Sabretooth is a "no-brainer beast", he looks like to "know" Wolverine. In Wolverine's solo movie there is Victor Creed. If producers are smarts they will explain how Creed became Sabretooth, simple. In Wolverine's movie Creed wants the "same" Wolverine's experiment but Stryker said to him he will not survives. So Creed will get his experiment and became Sabretooth. They can recall Liev Schreiber and Tyler Mane, and made this "mutation".

- Xavier and Magneto meet Jean
In X3 a walking Xavier and Magneto meet a young Jean. In the end of FC, we know, they're not friends anymore. They haven't to show this scene again but in a Xavier's line he can say "Me and Magneto have meet Jean some years ago". Simple.

- Siryn is born
Before the end of third movie, Banshee can fall in love for a girl (Maeve Rourke?) and Siryn will born. Simple.

- Havok, this Cyclops' older brother!
In the comics Cyclops is older than Havok. In the movies makes Havok the older brother.

- Jason at school
A brief cameo, a brief sequence...But we want to see Jason, Stryker's son, at Xavier's school!

- Wolverine, cage's battle fighter
At the start of first X-Men, Wolverine is fighting on a cage. Before the end of a probably third Wolverine's solo movie, he must fight in that cage!

Your turn.

 

[The Morningstar]

Meh, the reason Wolverine Origins drove people bad was because it was a steaming pile, even in terms of an action movie, because the action was mediocre at best. Continuity problems weren't that big a deal.

First Class looks awesome. Who cares if it isn't perfectly in line with continuity?

 

[Lord]

Read the official X-2 prequel comics and you can get an idea of what happened to sabretooth in between the films.

 

[Supermanreturns]

Read the official X-2 prequel comics and you can get an idea of what happened to sabretooth in between the films.

Yep, he survived. But this not explain what happened to him between Wolverine and X1.

 

[henzINNIT]

I'd rather NO continuity with XOW, because it sucks harder than a Bangkok lady-boy.

 

[S. Grundy]

- First Class, first costumes
In X1 (but also in X3) is clearly explained that the First Class is composed by Cyclops, Beast, Jean and Storm. So introduce Cyclops, Jean and Storm in next FC's movies. And set the dark black costumes before the end of third FC's movie.

Well, all Xavier says is that Jean, Scott etc... were some of his first students, not the first students, they have wiggle room on when/if they want to bring those characters in.

- Victor Creed is...Sabretooth!
In X1 Sabretooth is a "no-brainer beast", he looks like to "know" Wolverine. In Wolverine's solo movie there is Victor Creed. If producers are smarts they will explain how Creed became Sabretooth, simple. In Wolverine's movie Creed wants the "same" Wolverine's experiment but Stryker said to him he will not survives. So Creed will get his experiment and became Sabretooth. They can recall Liev Schreiber and Tyler Mane, and made this "mutation".

They are fine just being separate characters for now.

I don't know if Fox, mr. Singer or Mr. Vaughn, the screenwriters or Miss Shuler Donner will never read that topic but yes...

One thing that in X-cinematic Universe is made us fans crazy is apparently "lack" of continuity. From X-Men Origins: Wolverine to X-Men: First Class seems Fox ignored something about the previous three movies and they forget some lines or characters or events they said in previous movies.

This is a promemoria for producers, screenwriters or director(s) of next X-Movies to made the continuity works.

Every user can report his idea of "continuity works".
t:

- Wolverine's Emma, played by Tahyna Tozzi.
They can explain she's simply Emma Silverfox, Kayla's Sister, with the diamond's mutation (like Emma Frost). Like i have explained in X: FC's topics, the X-Universe is full of mutants with same mutations.

- The mutants' rescue in Wolverine
A bald but walking Xavier save the mutants from Stryker. They can remade this scene in next FC's movie with a bald but walking McAvoy's Xavier that rescue the mutants. They also can make Beast the pilot of the airplane!



- Beast must leave the team
In X1 Beast isn't in the team, in X3 is a politician. So before the end of the third FC's movie, he must leave the team to became politician.

- Banshee, Havok...Where they will go?
Banshee or Havok aren't in the trilogy. Explain where do they go before the start of X1. Banshee can dies (i know, it's a bad idea...but you know, they're movies), Havok can met Polaris in next FC's movies and join Moira in Muir Island.

- THE BROTHERHOOD
Before the end of third FC's movie, Magneto must form the Brotherhood: Mystique, Toad and Sabretooth.

- Xavier and Magneto meet Jean
In X3 a walking Xavier and Magneto meet a young Jean. In the end of FC, we know, they're not friends anymore. They haven't to show this scene again but in a Xavier's line he can say "Me and Magneto have meet Jean some years ago". Simple.

- Siryn is born
Before the end of third movie, Banshee can fall in love for a girl (Maeve Rourke?) and Siryn will born. Simple.

- Havok, this Cyclops' older brother!
In the comics Cyclops is older than Havok. In the movies makes Havok the older brother.

- Jason at school
A brief cameo, a brief sequence...But we want to see Jason, Stryker's son, at Xavier's school!

- Wolverine, cage's battle fighter
At the start of first X-Men, Wolverine is fighting on a cage. Before the end of a probably third Wolverine's solo movie, he must fight in that cage!

Your turn.

Just get over this minutia of continuity, some things will fit others won't just like the actual comics. People really just need to get over this and enjoy an apparently great, well made fun film.

 

[psylockolussus]

As long as they keep making good movies like X-Men: First Class, I'm happy.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Treat X-Men First Class as prequel to X-men and X2 with a few libieties taken.

Just Ignore X-Men The Last Stand and X-Men Origins:Wolverine.

This Is best way to handle contunity In films.

 

[OoAnd1]

I enjoyed X3 overall. Worst thing about it was Cyclops dying and not being the leader of the X-Men at the end. But I enjoyed seeing a lot of the other characters.. Beast, Juggs, Kitty etc.

And Wolverine wasn't terrible. The story and pacing was a mess, but I did feel for Wolverine during the movie.

Yet, even though I didn't especially "like" either one.. I can't just ignore they happened. Even if I hated them, it'd be tough. And very tough since I own all 4 X-movies.

I really want to be able to enjoy all 5 films in a single continuity. I'm trying to find excuses to everything to make it fit in my head. But I'll have to watch FC before I can manage that. Fingers crossed!

 

[henzINNIT]

Wolverine was terrible. It is so bad that even FOX are disowning it, which is just incredible.

 

[Eelectro 2]

is that official? if fox were to disown x-men 3 and wolverine, have somebody like bryan singer remake his version of x-men 3 and continue on with further movies in that direction as well as prequels i think thatd be incredible. if studios can reboot franchises left and right these days why couldnt they try to get all the main actors and actresses back with a better script and continue on where x2 stopped? unfortunately i dont think this would ever happen and they might even make a sequel to x4 that makes it even worse.
i just wonder if the people that portrayed wolverine, storm, xavier, magneto, pyro, iceman, rogue, mystique, jean, cyclops, nightcrawler and whoever else would come back? im sure most of them wouldnt just because they arelady did those things in the past and wouldnt want to go back and redo something because lets face it, when franchises get weird sequels like superman returns that ignores other films at a halfway point orare rebooted, the actors and everybody involved are never the same. i wouldnt want to see everybody recast. hugh jackman seems all too willing to return as the character and recently patrick stewart said he would want to return. and ian mackellan is reprising a younger version of gandolf so i just wonder about if they were convinced enough if they would come back

 

[Eelectro 2]

if they decided to abandon wolverines origins and left it at what we saw in flashbaks in x2 i could live with that because that was enough of an emotional response for it to work properly and move on. a character like sabretooth could also be shown recruited by magneto in a future first class film which maybe would just make him a feral creature or something so we could see more of him. OR he could return in an official sequel to x2 and be a bigger character to make up for x1s lacky version cuz that and viktor creed just dont match up whatsoever. and i would love to see rogue finally embrace her powers like the tv show as well as bring in juggernaut as xaviers relative and not a mutant. i think if a proper x3 was made (maybe slap the number on it so its official) with the right amount of returning actors they could open up so many other doors for the franchise.

personally i think itd be cool to see a series of films like the avengers and how they are all a giant universe and you can play with the timeline depending on the characters but what if x-men did something different? where you would be watching two timelines ever other year? after first class a new x3 be made then a sequel to first class, x4, the final first class film tying up into x1 and then an x6 to finish the franchises overarcing storyline? thats only 9 films, the avengers series is going to go over that within 5 years in half the time that x-men has existed in film

 

[Majik1387]

Considering the Wolverine sequel isn't even acknowledging the first, there's no reason for the other good movies to either.

 

[Timstuff]

The problems in X3 would be easy to bounce back from in a hypothetical X4, so I doubt we will see it get shucked from continuity even if a lot of the fans got pissed about the movie. XMOW was panned by critics as well as most of the fanbase, and I am glad to see that Fox is disowning it. XMOW had almost no continuity with the trilogy, so I don't see why it should be expected for future prequels and sequels to the trilogy to bend over backwards to accommodate it into the canon. First Class wisely chose to ignore XMOW, and it sounds like the new "Wolverine" movie will, as well, so it looks like XMOW is in fact the bastard child of the franchise.

There is speculation as to whether or not First Class will have continuity problems with the opening flashback from X-men TLS. That would be unfortunate, but I do not expect that is the case. We'll find out this week when the movie comes out, but I would be pretty surprised if they made such obvious errors as to expose Magneto's villainous nature and put Charles in a wheelchair before either of them has met Jean Grey. I would certainly not put it past them, given all the continuity errors in XMOW, but I would still be surprised since this one is supposed to be the 'proper prequel' to the trilogy that XMOW was not.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't think FOX is disowning XOW. What are they gonna do, give Wolverine another origin movie? What happened to Wolverine in that happened will stay in stack for the future X-movies.

The only big continuity problem I had with X3 is when Professor X visited Jean Grey, Magneto was with him and they were already really old.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I don't know if Fox, mr. Singer or Mr. Vaughn, the screenwriters or Miss Shuler Donner will never read that topic but yes...

One thing that in X-cinematic Universe is made us fans crazy is apparently "lack" of continuity. From X-Men Origins: Wolverine to X-Men: First Class seems Fox ignored something about the previous three movies and they forget some lines or characters or events they said in previous movies.

This is a promemoria for producers, screenwriters or director(s) of next X-Movies to made the continuity works.

Every user can report his idea of "continuity works" t:

a lot of this stuff doesn't really need to be necessarily be explained, or shown, some of it is self explanatory, most of it can just be left up to speculation...

- Wolverine's Emma, played by Tahyna Tozzi.
They can explain she's simply Emma Silverfox, Kayla's Sister, with the diamond's mutation (like Emma Frost). Like i have explained in X: FC's topics, the X-Universe is full of mutants with same mutations

- The mutants' rescue in Wolverine
A bald but walking Xavier save the mutants from Stryker. They can remade this scene in next FC's movie with a bald but walking McAvoy's Xavier that rescue the mutants. They also can make Beast the pilot of the airplane!.

- Siryn is born
Before the end of third movie, Banshee can fall in love for a girl (Maeve Rourke?) and Siryn will born. Simple.

-that Emma as you said could easily be just a mutant with similar power, same first name (quite the coincidence, but, not impossible) or Emma could of also had a child at some point that she gave up, or abandoned, that sliverfox’s family took in…
-Xavier walking could of been a mental projection (maybe, he wasn't there at all, but, mentally guiding young Cyclops, an the rest, to the helicopter) I personally don't think this scene needs to be re-done...
-given, Banshee, being part of this new timeline, I actually had a theory that maybe in this version, Siryn, could be the third generation, an actually his granddaughter, an he will have a son instead (who could be the young captured mutant we saw in XO:W that people speculated at being Banshee) it fits the time line better

- First Class, first costumes
In X1 (but also in X3) is clearly explained that the First Class is composed by Cyclops, Beast, Jean and Storm. So introduce Cyclops, Jean and Storm in next FC's movies. And set the dark black costumes before the end of third FC's movie.

it was never actually said that, "Cyclops, Beast, Jean and Storm were the first class" he actually said "Cyclops, Jean were some of my first students" which this can still be true, as this new team are not actually his first students, the school has not been official established, nor is he the technically the professor, yet... this is just a group of young mutants that he recruited an trained, which was probably his inspiration behind opening the school (that he learned he has a knack for teaching)

- Beast must leave the team
In X1 Beast isn't in the team, in X3 is a politician. So before the end of the third FC's movie, he must leave the team to became politician.

- Banshee, Havok...Where they will go?
Banshee or Havok aren't in the trilogy. Explain where do they go before the start of X1. Banshee can dies (i know, it's a bad idea...but you know, they're movies), Havok can met Polaris in next FC's movies and join Moira in Muir Island.

I don't think that their leaving really needs to be shown or explained... there's a nearly 40 year time gap between this movie and X1... they grew up, got older and moved on... they probably stuck around long enough to help train the new recruits (ie. Jean, Scott,
Storm...ect) but, once they (Jean, Scott, Storm) grew up and started taking on teaching poisons of their own, they retired and went on with there life’s (they would of been in their mid 50's at that point, anyway) isn't that the ultimate goal, to go on to being functional members of society

- THE BROTHERHOOD
Before the end of third FC's movie, Magneto must form the Brotherhood: Mystique, Toad and Sabretooth.

- Victor Creed is...Sabretooth!
In X1 Sabretooth is a "no-brainer beast", he looks like to "know" Wolverine. In Wolverine's solo movie there is Victor Creed. If producers are smarts they will explain how Creed became Sabretooth, simple. In Wolverine's movie Creed wants the "same" Wolverine's experiment but Stryker said to him he will not survives. So Creed will get his experiment and became Sabretooth. They can recall Liev Schreiber and Tyler Mane, and made this "mutation".

this I would actually like to see with in this trilogy...

I kind of always pictured a scene, of magneto breaking into a lab that he finds out has been experimenting on mutants, and there he finds Sabretooth, floating in a tank...or something like that

- Xavier and Magneto meet Jean
In X3 a walking Xavier and Magneto meet a young Jean. In the end of FC, we know, they're not friends anymore. They haven't to show this scene again but in a Xavier's line he can say "Me and Magneto have meet Jean some years ago". Simple.

Xavier and Magneto never really stopped being friends, they just went there separate ways... though, they are on opposite sides of the same battle, they aren't really enemy’s… Xavier remains ever hopeful that his old friend can be brought around to see his way, again... I wouldn't be surprised, if Xavier reached out to him over the years... so, when he started the school, and started to recruit young mutants, again, he might of asked Magneto to help (Magneto probably played along, in hopes of recruiting some of these mutants to his side, but, needed Xavier to find them) this is also probably when Magneto, helps him make the new cerebro...
(an as for Xavier walking during this time, maybe, while temporarily working with his old friend again, he would wear metal braces on his legs, and Mags would work them for him)
This could have been his way of earning back Xavier’s truth, as well as a way to distract him, an to keep him in control

 

[Majik1387]

Those are all horrid ideas.

 

[chaseter]

Dear Fox, Vaughn, and Singer...don't pay attention to this thread. Thanks.

 

[psylockolussus]

Actually this thread has a point.

Its easy for Fox to ignore the continuity because they make money with these movies but how about the fans who cares about these movies. It makes me scratch my dead when I see a continuity problem in every X-movie.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Ehhh, I just take First Class as some type of reboot.

I enjoy X1, X2 and X3 and I take that trilogy as its own thing aside from First Class. And...the cameos in FC? Just fun tidbits, imo. Plus, Jackman is still Wolverine and will be for the future as of right now, so it's just a nice touch.

Wolverine Origins, however, that movie just sucked. Can't wait to see The Wolverine though.

 

[Timstuff]

XMOW had so many continuity problems that it would be easier just to ignore it going forward than to try and explain away all the inconsistencies. However, I hope that they do show in the upcoming movies that Magneto's morality slider does not stay in one place all the time, and that he does occasionally try to give Charles' way of dealing with normal humans a chance. Also, Charles could be shown trying to cure his paralysis in the 80s but it ends up not being permanent. Those are the two big issues, because we still need to establish that Erik helps Charles rebuild Cerebro (for cotinuity with X1) and the two of them recruiting Jean (X3).

I think they should set the last film in the XMFC in the early 80s, with the Jean recruitment scene happening in the film similar to how the holocaust scene from X1 happens in XMFC, but with the new actors (obviously).

 

[Silvermoth]

No Fox don't listen to the continuity! By all means, do your best to work with X-men and X2 but don't be restricted by it! As for the other two, they are not real X-films. They are ersatz X-films and should be treated as such.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Meh....I liked The Last Stand, lol.

 

[OoAnd1]

I enjoyed X3 overall. Worst thing about it was Cyclops dying and not being the leader of the X-Men at the end. But I enjoyed seeing a lot of the other characters.. Beast, Juggs, Kitty etc.

And Wolverine wasn't terrible. The story and pacing was a mess, but I did feel for Wolverine during the movie.

Yet, even though I didn't especially "like" either one.. I can't just ignore they happened. Even if I hated them, it'd be tough. And very tough since I own all 4 X-movies.

I really want to be able to enjoy all 5 films in a single continuity. I'm trying to find excuses to everything to make it fit in my head. But I'll have to watch FC before I can manage that. Fingers crossed!

Well, I did watch FC. And it fixed many of the inconsistencies I was fearing. Mystique's age makes sense, Stryker is Stryker Senior, Pro X can make people hallucinate about his appearance (or lack thereof).

Those where my major ones. A 5-film series spanning 60 years isn't going to be water-tight. I just didn't want to see any huge deliberate errors.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men: First Class is not a reboot!

And after the box-office estimates!

No way that Fox would continue on making a trilogy about this timeline!