Sequels If I would've been in charge of the X-Men series, this would've been the rosters...

[Canemacar]

Cuz it makes sense.

No it doesn't. You're holding out on everyone who likes the popular characters and instead giving them a team few people care about. Theres a reason the original X-men got cancelled and they were forced to bring in a new team to save the franchise. chances are, if you tried to do an O5 movie; it would tank and leave you unable to make another one with more popular characters.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'm pretty sure the terrible writing on the comic had more to do with the cancellation of the original series then the team line up. If they had Wolverine and Storm in the 1960s comics, I don't think they would have sold any better.

 

[Canemacar]

I'm pretty sure the terrible writing on the comic had more to do with the cancellation of the original series then the team line up. If they had Wolverine and Storm in the 1960s comics, I don't think they would have sold any better.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Nuff said.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

You seriously come across way too arrogant when you make comments like that.

It's not arrogance, its logical thinking. Arrogant would be giving how i would want the x-men movies to be and not listening to others.

So far ive listen to your ideas, explained mine as i've used them in the principle to please both fan and business sense.

Yet, your idea is only designed from A fan, not the mass of fans but just your idea and have tried to impose this is the way it should work, when it would only work for you.

Im not trying to get at you, or sound arrogant, im just being logical.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Nuff said.

If that's a point that the writing is good, then the Incredible Hulk alone is proof alone that the two of them are not infallible. The original Incredible Hulk series lasted six issues and it was terrible. I read both it and the first 20 issues of the X-Men and they were both painful to read. Most of the elements that fans enjoy about the X-Men aren't even present in the early issues, as Magneto is a purely evil villain and it even takes a couple of the issues for mutant persecution to start becoming a theme. Not to mention the X-Men changed personalities from issue to issue.

From what I heard the book didn't really start falling apart until Stan and Jack left, and seeing as I didn't like their run on the book I shudder to think what the bad runs on the book are like. And from what I heard by the time the best run by Roy Thomas and Neal Adams occurred the title was already approaching cancellation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Adams

 

[bullets]

I would keep in line with the series but never would of killed cyclops

X4..the two teams

Cyclops
Iceman
Beast
Kitty Pryde
Angel

Wolverine
Collosus
Rogue
Gambit
Jubilee
Storm
I would have an X-Factor movie be separate

 

[Julio Alejandro]

It's not arrogance, its logical thinking. Arrogant would be giving how i would want the x-men movies to be and not listening to others.

So far ive listen to your ideas, explained mine as i've used them in the principle to please both fan and business sense.

Yet, your idea is only designed from A fan, not the mass of fans but just your idea and have tried to impose this is the way it should work, when it would only work for you.

Im not trying to get at you, or sound arrogant, im just being logical.

As am I, and I'm sure alot of fans would actually agree with me and alot of them won't, but here you come acting like your ideas are the gospel. I actually question the validity of your claims of what you do for a living even.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

I dont act like there gospel, thats certianly what i dont want you to think, but when you know how a franchise like this is seen to a movie industry you would be talking exactly like i do... I hate it. I hate the idea of how it operates, but we live in that world and so you can either be peed off with each movie they make because it doesnt meet your standards, or you can accept it.

I dont want to get in a fight with you, but i do feel you let your own emotions and oppinions cloud how you view these movies.

I've been working in the industry for sometime... ive seen may people like yourself come up with your ideas and preach them like gospell. So far i havent seen you waver from your original idea. so to me you sound very arrogant to other peoples ideas and info.

As i said before i think you a good person, with a good idea, but maybe instead of fighting off other ideas maybe look at them and see it in another point of view.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

I dont act like there gospel, thats certianly what i dont want you to think, but when you know how a franchise like this is seen to a movie industry you would be talking exactly like i do... I hate it. I hate the idea of how it operates, but we live in that world and so you can either be peed off with each movie they make because it doesnt meet your standards, or you can accept it.

OK. This makes me like you again. t:

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

lol trust me, im a fan first, company guy second

 

[Julio Alejandro]

My reasoning for my ideas is cuz I would like each movie to just basically go era by era when it comes to the characters without necessarily subtracting like the comics did.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

The trouble with that is were talking different era's, The original x-men were created in the 60's they had there own generation, then we have the second geniuses which was done in the 70's, the 80's had another shake up followed by the 90's and 00's... We couldnt explain that big of a gap between the trilogies... Thats kind of why the x-men movies are set one after the other... Look at it this way If it was better structured, we should of ended up with 9 X-Men Movies...

Think of the star wars trilogys, the idea was this... Lucas didnt want to make star wars 4, he wanted to do a prequel, so he did a prequel trilogy, but now were looking at eras, The prequel Trilogy are now listed as star wars 1,2,3 and they renamed the original trilogy as 4,5,6... the idea was then to make part 7,8,9 - the whole vader clone saga which was only told in novels i think, with Luke Solo or whatever the childs name was of Han and Laiya

So this is how x-men movie history should role...

The Original Trilogy...

X-Men The Movie (rename...X-Men part 4)
X2: X-Men United (rename...X-Men part 5)
X-Men: The Last Stand (rename...X-men part 6)

Then the prequel trilogy...

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (rename...X-Men part 1)
X-Men Origins: Magneto (rename...X-Men part 2)
X-Men Origins: First Class (rename...X-Men part 3)

The future trilogy?

X-Men part 7 - (probably moving towards the creation of X-Factor or being unrelated stories like X-Men: Chronicles or X-Men: Legacy)
X-Men part 8 -
X-Men part 9 -

Now if we take a step backwards a second and apply your idea...

The Prequel trilogy should focus on the characters from the 60's original story... Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Professor X, Magneto, Toad

The Original trilogy should focus on the characters from the 70's line up...
Wolverine, Storm, Sabretooth, Nightcrawler, Deathstrike,

The Future trilogy should focus on the characters from the 80's and beyond line ups...
Rogue, Gambit, Shadow Cat, Psylocke...Sinister, Apocalpyse

So from the movie industry point of view although they havent stuck exactly to the comic time line, they kind of have provided us with the basic line up minus a few characters.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Holy crap! That's brilliant, now that I look at that. Is this what you've been trying to tell me all along and I'm just now realizing it, or did you combine my ideas with a new structure?

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Bit of both really, logically time frames and story structure would withhold the timelines of the characters from the x-men.

When they made x-men 1, they had to decide what mutants were in it, there first original concept was to have the original five, but other than professor x and cyclops the other mutants were lessier known to an unknown audiance, However out of all the era's the most popular characters or rememberable characters were those mostly found in the 70's which Wolverine being the number 1 face of x-men as it was. When you look at that and see what they did, between x1 and x2, we had wolverine, storm, nightcrawler, colossus, - Sabretooth, Deathstrike, Stryker... all characters relating to 70's line up... get to last stand, they start to make plans to focus on the next line up, with Cyclops, Jean and Professor X dead, characters from the 60's line up, they are now left with Rogue, Shadow Cat, yeah Angel and Iceman have been wrongly placed in this timeline but its not really about who they are as to what they represent, the future x-men... If it was better planned they should of had Iceman and Angel right at the begining either explained in x1 that Iceman left because of a dispute and Angel is now in politics. Then had gambit replace what Icemans role was, probably morph replacing Angel's role... that way when it came to x-men 4 if it happend we would of had Rogue, Gambit, Shadow Cat, Morph, sort of moving towards the 80's line up.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Regardless if it was mine or your idea, that is brilliant! That's how the series should've been.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

agreed, so do you still question my validity of my job LOL

 

[Julio Alejandro]

After that, I think you need a promotion!

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

ha - if only... sadly my knoweldge of comics doesnt really come into my work place. The studio i work for doesnt have the rights to any comic book movies sadly but they use the same work ethic that all the other studios do... what makes money over what makes sense...LOL

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Don't you think what makes sense would make more money? Just look at The Dark Knight.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Its more about risk, if someone gave you 100 million to make the next box office movie, do you A. demand a movie to be faithful to the story in the adaptation, considering there was no market before or interest so its a high risk if its a success or B. do you demand they play it safe?

Its more of an ethical question, or a gambling question... not to sure on the right term...

 

[Julio Alejandro]

I agree, it's a risk, but what if the series has already been launched? Batman Begins wasn't much of a gamble, since Batman & Batman Returns were such successes.

 

[Canemacar]

I agree, it's a risk, but what if the series has already been launched? Batman Begins wasn't much of a gamble, since Batman & Batman Returns were such successes.

Batman and robin single-handedly killed the comicbook movie genre until Blade and X-men helped revive it.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Yeah, but Batman Begins redeemed it cuz the fans want the dark Batman we love from the comics.

 

[insane polaris]

X1 – X-men
Prof x
Cyclops
Jean
Beast
Storm
Wolverine (Joins the team)

X1 – Brotherhood
Magneto
Mystique
Polaris
Blob
Toad
Avalanche

__________________________________________________________
X2 – X-men
Prof x
Cyclops
Jean (Sacrifies herself at the end)
Colossus (Beast goes and does Politics, so Colossus replaces him)
Storm
Wolverine

X2 – Brotherhood
Mystique (Magneto supposedly dead, so Mystique takes over)
Blob
Toad
Avalanche
Rogue
Sabretooth (hired to counteract Wolverine)
___________________________________________________________
X3 – X-men
Prof x
Cyclops
Shadowcat
Nightcrawler
Colossus
Storm
Wolverine

Polaris (not a Team member, but is around)(Can form as X-factor Spin-off with Havok)
Havok (same as Polaris)

X3 – Brotherhood
Mystique
Toad
Sabretooth
Rogue
Gambit

X3 – Hellfire Club
Magneto (Returns as the White King)
Emma Frost
Sebastian Shaw
Leland
Jean(Phoenix) (Corrupted by Hellfire, Rejoins the X-men as Good phoenix at the end)
Other Hellfire members (can’t remember their names)

 

[Canemacar]

You know, i'm really glad comic fans aren't in charge of the movies. Arbitrarily following the lineups of the comics for no reason would be a big turnoff.