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Defining Superman's Powers In A Reboot

I know I'm not Showtime, but, might we consider getting back on topic instead of just criticizing Superman Returns in a very general way?

I said that the reason we think they failed with the powers is because Singer's focus was on what makes Superman tick. It didn't address what he can do but rather why he does it. And people wanted to see the opposite. Hancock seems to focus on the right thing and I'll probably enjoy it more... Hell, Smiths last eight films were better than SR.
 
I said that the reason we think they failed with the powers is because Singer's focus was on what makes Superman tick. It didn't address what he can do but rather why he does it. And people wanted to see the opposite. Hancock seems to focus on the right thing and I'll probably enjoy it more... Hell, Smiths last eight films were better than SR.

Stupid lag, :cmad:!
 
Just thought I might start a thread on this, because these are details that should in theory be hammered out before the onset of a full on franchise.

My Perspective on Superman's Powers:

there is no magical forcefield, or energy field that his body produces that give him his powers. His powers are a result of nothing more than his advanced physiology and his ability to absorb energy through sunlight, rather than ingesting food. So starting in order of appearance:

1) invulnerability: superman's first power. Superman is not literally invulnerable, but rather, his 'flesh' is made of some material that is far more impervious to damage than normal human skin. Looks and feels the same as human skin/flesh... but it is infinitely stronger, resistant to damage and resiliant. He is invulnerable because he is made of stronger stuff than us, not a force field. Inborn power

2) strength: superman's strength is a function of his ability to absorb sunlight. Simply put, the larger his store of energy, the greater the output of muscle strength: see invulnerability, he is made of better material than us humans. However, this is a power that requires larger amounts of solar charge... meaning it takes his young body a number of years before he can start displaying superstrength. He is super strong because his muscles are made of stronger stuff than us, coupled with growing solar energy stores. Inborn power, that requires energy, will develop over time

3) speed: pretty much the same as strength. His speed is a function of how charged with sunlight he has become. Over his childhood and youth, his speed would slowly grow until in adulthood he is superfast. He is superfast because his physiology, muscles, nerves etc. are made out of more advanced material than us, coupled with growing solar storage. Inborn power, that requires energy, will develop over time

4) Supersenses, Superbrain: He's born with these outright. They don't need to develop as his other powers, they are always on. Just like a dog's ear can hear more than a human's ear, Superman's ear can hear more than a dog's ear can. Just like humans can only see visible (to human) light(the rainbow), Superman's rods and cones are far more advanced, and therefore see a greater spectrum of radiation as 'visible' (obviously all the way up to X-rays, don't know about the other direction). Microscopic and macroscopic vision is a result of his cornea being made of the same advanced non human material that his body is made from... allowing for greater focus and zoom.

most importantly about these, which was touched upon in SR,,, Superman cannot turn off these senses. They are not magical on off powers. They are always operating, but superman's brain is able to deal with the greater amount of info that his senses are delivering him. Moreover, his brain is also 'superfast', otherwise when moving at high speeds, he would be bumping into everything, ie. he has to be able to think faster than he moves.

His sight was well explained in Superman: Birthright, and his hearing was well explained in SR.

These are all inborn powers, they do not develop over time, he always has them.

5)Flight: IMO, superman's ability to fly should not be a result of some magical energy field that makes him float. But rather a result of his superspeed. flight should actually be one of the first powers he begins to have, as this would offset his emmense weight (generally, materials that are stronger, are also more dense, and heavier). However, as his solar storage grows, and his superspeed grows, Superman should be able to vibrate his body in such a way that he can actually defy gravity, but this would all be happening so fast, that it would not be visible to the human eye. This would mean that Superman's flight is more like swimming in air, rather than actually defying gravity. A result of his inborn superspeed ability, requires energy, and will be available as actual flight, rather than offsetting weight or long jumps, when his energy stores have reached appropriate levels


6)heat vision: this is the only power that really lacks any explanation. He just has it. But it requires the highest level of charge from his solar battary, and is therefore one of the last powers he should develop.


That's my perspective. No magical energy fields and what not. Just that his body gives him these advantages. And that in order to power that body, he must absorb sunlight. He is stronger, faster, tougher, more sensitive than us because of his physiology and the material he is made up of.
 
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I think you are touching on this, but to clarify..........Kryptonians are not only technologically superior to humans, but also physically. Even without the super-enhancment of the yellow sun's radiation Kryptonians are innately more powerful, faster, and more resilient than humans. Krypton is much larger than earth with gravitational forces on Krypton many times greater than that of Earth, therefore Kryptonians have evolved a much sturdier skeletal frame and musculature to compensate said forces.

Somewhat on topic is what happens to Superman's powers when exposed to Green K. They do not vanish, however Superman's weakness is so profound upon exposure that he is incapable of any active use of his power, however he remains protected from physical harm by the passive nature of his invulnerability.
 
Powers from yellow sun radiation and earth's lower gravity (so bombing him with red sun rays will only solve half of the fiend's problems :hehe: ).

Superbrain, Superintellect is a must.

The Byrne "Force Field" to explain his "invulnerability" can be used, it's not that bad, although his skin should be super-hard, too.

Faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than a locomotive.

Must not be on "god-level" as long as there aren't any heroes around that are as strong as him or even stronger. Then he must be pumped up.

His main abilities should be everything a normal human being can do but SUPER. Super-Sight, Super-Strength...even ice-breath is something that could fall into this category + some extras (flying, heat vision, x-ray).
 
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So no supermemory wipe kiss power:woot: i kid those are all great lets see a movie where he actually uses all the abilites (the word powers feels like little kids playin with action figures, sorry not demeaning your topic title thats actully the only time it makes sense to me to hear it referred to as that) at his disposal in ways better then have been shown, no corny cop outs
 
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I think you are touching on this, but to clarify..........Kryptonians are not only technologically superior to humans, but also physically. Even without the super-enhancment of the yellow sun's radiation Kryptonians are innately more powerful, faster, and more resilient than humans. Krypton is much larger than earth with gravitational forces on Krypton many times greater than that of Earth, therefore Kryptonians have evolved a much sturdier skeletal frame and musculature to compensate said forces.

Somewhat on topic is what happens to Superman's powers when exposed to Green K. They do not vanish, however Superman's weakness is so profound upon exposure that he is incapable of any active use of his power, however he remains protected from physical harm by the passive nature of his invulnerability.

precisely on the first point. Kryptonians are naturally superior, but not super. For the above reasons, and because their made of some 'other' alien material. But most important, when they get charged by the yellow sun, their bodies feed off the energy intake. So perhaps kryptonian 'skin' is/can be like steel, but skin. But that it also benefits from the solar charge.

defining the effects of kryptonite would be useful too. I think it should make him sick, and weapons made from kryptonite trump his defences. But as for GK making him his powers null to 'conventional' attack, I'd say no (if your hold a chunk of kryptonite, he'd be sick from the radiation poisoning, unable to function because of it. If you stabbed him with a steel knife, it wouldn't do anything. But if you had a sharp bit of kryptonite, slice and dice)
 
precisely on the first point. Kryptonians are naturally superior, but not super. For the above reasons, and because their made of some 'other' alien material.

Kryptonians are supposed to be the peak of human evolution.
 
...peak of human evolution, on Krypton.

Kryptonias are more or less supposed to be Humans. It's a little bit of a fantasy aspect here. Although you could come up with some "pre-historic alien visitors on earth" theories. Or take the Man of Tomorrow literally - like in
Millar's Red Son
or one of the early concepts of Superman -
Krypton being Earth-in-the-future
.
 
Superman is perceived as the Man of Steel but neither his skin nor his suit is anything special-- his speed, his resistence to high velocity impacts (bullets), his ability to fly, and his perceived strength are all just expressions of his telekinetic (if not tactile telekinetic) powers-- the sun basically makes him posthuman.
 
The Science of Superman,by Mark Wolverton.
It's all there.
 
What about his rebuild-the-Great-Wall-of-China-vision? Or is that from the sun.
 
or one of the early concepts of Superman -
Krypton being Earth-in-the-future
.

That sh#* is amazing. I actually go crazy with this teory, thinking of implications it can ahve on stories. And i think it would be an AWSOME twist.

Sad thing is that i was developing something very similiar to this until this story come to public last month, about original ideais of Siegel for Superman strips. Oh man, i was so pissed when i found out! :(
 
There is no force field in the Byrne thing that creates his invulnerability. I wonder where people came up with that.

What Superman has is an aura that prevents his clothes that are tight from being ripped and thats all.

His powers came from the sun just like all eras of the comics.

People should read the comics instead of talking **** .
 
There is no force field in the Byrne thing that creates his invulnerability. I wonder where people came up with that.

What Superman has is an aura that prevents his clothes that are tight from being ripped and thats all.

His powers came from the sun just like all eras of the comics.

People should read the comics instead of talking **** .

an aura is just another fancy word for force field dan
 
Superman is perceived as the Man of Steel but neither his skin nor his suit is anything special-- his speed, his resistence to high velocity impacts (bullets), his ability to fly, and his perceived strength are all just expressions of his telekinetic (if not tactile telekinetic) powers-- the sun basically makes him posthuman.

see, this I don't like. Just my opinion. Psychic powers. Just doesn't fit.
 
"What about his rebuild-the-Great-Wall-of-China-vision? Or is that from the sun."

I'd go back to the old days when he wasn't carrying around the Statue of Liberty. I want to see displays of (tactile telekinetic) strength involving him lifting cars (rather than airplanes) and punching villains through walls. When they write him as too powerful-- it just gets boring.

Without telekenesis-- how does he fly, how does he go into space, fly through rock without tearing his suit; move faster than a bullet without his suit bursting into flames?


"Krypton being Earth-in-the-future"

If that were true-- then kryptonite could be an Earthly element-- uranium (hence, Superman would have to worry about uranium tipped shells).
 
"What about his rebuild-the-Great-Wall-of-China-vision? Or is that from the sun."

I'd go back to the old days when he wasn't carrying around the Statue of Liberty. I want to see displays of (tactile telekinetic) strength involving him lifting cars (rather than airplanes) and punching villains through walls. When they write him as too powerful-- it just gets boring.

Without telekenesis-- how does he fly, how does he go into space, fly through rock without tearing his suit; move faster than a bullet without his suit bursting into flames?


"Krypton being Earth-in-the-future"

If that were true-- then kryptonite could be an Earthly element-- uranium (hence, Superman would have to worry about uranium tipped shells).


TTK, if it's essentially psychic ability, then how come kryptonians can't fly on krypton?
 
Because the energy from a yellow sun energizes Superman in a way that Krypton's red sun did not. It essentially "charges his batteries".
 
The Aura thing never meant anything about his invunerability, Superfreak. It was just an explanation about the tight clothes not being ripped.

It was always the energy from Earth's yellow sun that gave him powers.
 
I wanted the flight to involve antigravity(hey, if you can shoot concentrated heat out of your eyes, manipulating the force of gravity isn't a stretch) but that's hard to apply in space. Whoever, the vibration theory kinda doesn't work if you don't see him vibrating. I dunno, i got nothing.
 
Somehow I see the “vibrating flight” far less plausible... I mean, if it was like that, when he caught a man free falling, he'd shake the hell out of him :D

I think that telekinesis is the least far-fetched explanation, if any future movie should try explaining it at all -and I don't think it should, for obvious reasons. Anyway, it would have to be “explained” as a kind of instinctive power, and thus largely undeveloped (so as to avoid the question of why he doesn't do other forms of telekinetic feats, such as moving objects -other than himself- with the mind, etc).


Y'know, for all the purposeless of trying to rationalize Superman's powers, I think that if any future movie tried that, and while we're kind of rebooting, they might as well considering borrowing a bit from other fantasy sagas which have explained all sorts of superhuman abilities as stemming from a relatively simple, yet mysterious enough thing: what the Star Wars universe calls “The Force”, and what many other oriental-born fantastic universes, such as Dragon Ball, calls “Ki”. Indeed, many Dragon Ball fans will easily see several parallel powers between the characters from that saga, and Superman: super-speed, super-strength, invulnerability, levitation/flight... hell, even heat vision (though in Dragon Ball, when displayed, seemed more like raw energy, or lasers, than heat beams).
 
TTK, if it's essentially psychic ability, then how come kryptonians can't fly on krypton?

Edit: I didn't see that The Guard already answered.

"as to avoid the question of why he doesn't do other forms of telekinetic feats, such as moving objects -other than himself"

I would argue that he must touch other objects in order to make use of his power (hence the term tactile telekinesis). It's about range-- why can't he just pull the gun out of the robber's hand with his telekinesis, because of range-- he always lets them shoot him but the bullets can't penetrate his field (how he uses his powers is partly an expression of perhaps the brutishness or arrogance of Clark Kent-- Superman always muscles through any problem). This also allows him to hold an unstable object together (such as a car) when lifting it from a part that should simply tear off under the weight.


Back on the subject of him being literally, The Man of Tomorrow-- it just seems to make sense, I always just explained to myself that humans were on Krypton because of aliens visiting Earth in the past-- an astronaut from the future is way simpler. It's a great idea to begin the film with the end of Earth, the sun is dying, and like a story from Arthur C. Clarke's 3001, the star system doesn't explode from the center-- the planet blows up first triggering a supernova.
 
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