Well done sir!
I agree but I still think that the lower than expected boxoffice numbers led to it's ruin.
Not true had Singer done what he was suppose to and taken on a smaller project I think we would have had a sequel with him having total control much like how Nolan did for the Dark Knight. However him doing what he did I think played a huge part into where we are. For example what people like to over look Justice League the treatment that started the whole thing really brought Superman Returns and Batman Begins together and was not suppose to be a reboot for both films as it later turned into and Singer's Superman sequel was suppose to lead into it (well that's what the WB wanted). But I am saying the movie was about to get the same treatment as Nolan got for the Dark Knight it was just Valkyrie that set off a chain event and killed it. It's a shame IMO because it looked like how Superman: The Movie and X-Men (first movie) was where they set you up for something big and you could see the ground work especailly if you read the shooting script (Which once again everything in that was shot for the movie but ended up on the cutting floor). I think a sequel would have been epic but we will never know.
Really I would like to how Earth One does if it does well I wouldn't mind seeing the new movie based off of that. Hell I always though JMS should have done a story treatment for a Superman movie. I mean I don't blame him for what happened to Spider-Man (in the comics) and I won't after I saw him come out and pubicly state he did not approve of what they wer doing to him and wanted his name off the comic. And I hope Spider-Man's sells continue to drop till they undo OMD.
I think it had more to do with egos then anything. When Singer pitched Superman he didn't just pitch SR he did a treatment for a sequel as well. By the time they got to sit down and talk about a sequel you had the whole JL:M thing happening and the writers talk and Singer being AWOL for a few months now. I think it had more to do egos then anything else. The only person truly gone was Kate.
Egos always have something to do with it in hollywood but I still think that the lack of boxoffice played a part in the sequel not coming about. Yes, he pissed Warner Brothers off when he went to do that Tom Cruise is german movie and yes I think that played a role but I think that WB wouldn't have been nearly as pissed at him if Superman Returns made Iron Man money.
Box office didn't play a factor into things until much much further down the line. What box office played a factor in was the budget for the sequel. What you have to remember is Batman Begins almost didn't get a sequel as well and when it did get one the WB was trying to be a little more controlling in that movie as well which is why Nolan almost walked from that movie and said he was not making a third Batman. Singer's Superman was in the same state as that movie. As said before the sequel was really suppose to come out in June 2009. However things changed when Valkyrie happened and sent the Superman movies in a tail spin mainly the WB saw how amp people were for the Dark Knight and wanted to get the next Superman movie off the ground ASAP. Singer and his crew didn't start any work on the next movie or any planing really until the WB started looking else where to get the movie off the ground because they were taking to long and never stayed in contact. Even the whole JL thing really was a way to help keep Siner's Superman out there at first when he did Valkyrie because if you remember the real story treatment was suppose to bridge the gap between Superman Returns and Batman Begins but when both directors said no to the idea. The WB went in a whole different direction where they were like we don't need Nolan or Singer which lead to JL:M.
GL will not have an effect on Superman to much right now they are dealing with the lawsuit and that is what is holding Superman up. Settle that you have a Superman movie, the longer it drags on the longer you go with out. GL will have more of an effect on people like Flash, Green Arrow, Captain Mavrel, etc.
Singer's crew did not walk out on him. I think you really need to go back and look and see how things went down regarding a sequel to Superman Returns. Once again for the last time. Singer and his crew were set to do a sequel after Singer finished the small movie he was suppose to do after Superman Returns. The only effect the box office had on a sequel was that the budget was going from 200 million to around 175 and Kate was suppose to be gone as Lois. Everything else was suppose to stay the same and Singer was suppose to give us more action. But once again things changed when his small movie turned into a a huge project and the WB wanted to get the sequel off the ground ASAP. But Singer's crew did not walk out on him they were let go however only after they dragged their feet for so long with out contact or progress. And even then the WB was still looking to do a sequel. As I said before be it that you like the movie or hated it a sequel was going to happen. Had Singer picked another project then Valkyrie 9 out of 10 we would be talking about wither we liked the sequel or not and how it just came out on DVD. As I said befor once again that movie was viewed in the same manor as Batman Begins the only difference between the two was Nolan kept in contact with the WB and worked on the movie while filming another one when Singer did neither which in turn started off a chain of events that lead us to where we are.
. I don't particularly like Superman at all. I just don't see much appeal in a guy who is pretty much godlike, at least thats how I (and lots of others) see him as. It's like a chuck norris joke "a plane is falling out of control and this guy flies up there faster than the plane WITH HIS OWN BODY grabs the plane and brings it to safety without killing anyone" what's next? He does a push up and the earth moves down instead of him moving up?, but the character itself just isn't as popular because of the character.
I think that the thread I made earlier can be put in here. If they can, someone should delete my other thread and I'll just post the idea here.
K, right now the masses don't really like Superman
So, my proposal is that you have to make Superman more vulnerable. Most hardcore fans seem dead set against another origin. So why not make this into Superman's supehero career a bit. Let's say that Lex Luthor has turned a lot of Metropolis against Superman and that the police force and various other people on the Luther payroll is armed with guns that shoot kryptonite.
This way superman doesn't seem so flippin invincible and is a little more relatable. I honestly don't think the problem is necessarily with who is making the movie
Also, maybe give Superman more of an edge. Long into his crime fighting career, maybe he occassionally gets sick of Luther's men trying to kill him and turning good citizens against him so he gets a little brutal (but not unneccessarily). Maybe even have Luthor kill Lois Lane and have Supes momentarily think about leaving the planet because he has no reason to live there.
This is just my opinion and I thought it'd be interesting to give you guys the opinion of "one of those people" who don't particularly care for the Superman character. I'm interested to see you thoughts on this.
