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Denzel and Antoine Fuqua to ride with The Magnificent Seven

So the consensus on this one is what?


Western movies were the superhero movies of their day, and the vibe I get from this movie is that it is enjoyable along those lines. Don't expect Sergio Leone or an artistic tribute to Sergio Leone.
 
So it's pretty fun? Could they have released in summer and done pretty decent?
 
Seeing it tomorrow and I can't wait. Looks like a good time.
 
Does sound like something we could've used a couple months back. I'm still surprised they didn't release it then.
 
It's alright. Villain was weak. Most of the members of the seven are under-developed. A few subplots go nowhere.

It's entertaining at points. It's shot very well and the action is good. I was just never particularly inspired. The original 1960s theme sounded woefully out of place in this film.

Once again, it would be better if movies actually had opening credit sequences to play the theme to the audience. Does anyone like Highlander at all if they removed that opening with the Queen song? It loses a lot of its old school flair.
 
It's alright. Villain was weak. Most of the members of the seven are under-developed. A few subplots go nowhere.

It's entertaining at points. It's shot very well and the action is good. I was just never particularly inspired. The original 1960s theme sounded woefully out of place in this film.

Once again, it would be better if movies actually had opening credit sequences to play the theme to the audience. Does anyone like Highlander at all if they removed that opening with the Queen song? It loses a lot of its old school flair.

Off subject... Highlander would be a great fantasy film without Queen. If anything the WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER moment brings more to the film on an emotional level than the beginning sequence, and I freaking love PRINCES OF THE UNIVERSE but saying that without it the movie is lackluster or what have you? No.
 
I'll be honest, I've never been on the Fuqua bandwagon. To me, his films have been alright at best.

fuqua reminds me of tony scott in his later years

if he was still alive tony scott would of done something like the equilizer
 
Saw it tonight, pretty good overall. I still can't get over how much Haley Bennett looks like Jennifer Lawrence. One of the trailers was passengers so I had a fresh image of JLaw in my head as a comparison too.
 
Saw this tonight. Genuinely loved it. The cast had great chemistry and it was just a fun movie. 8.5/10
 
fuqua reminds me of tony scott in his later years

if he was still alive tony scott would of done something like the equilizer

I actually thought he's more Richard Donner, since his films tend to be a little bit more clasically made. Very straightforward.
 
Just saw this, a lot of fun, the villian was kinda weak and some of the members of the 7 didnt seem to have a clear motivation for wanting to be part of the team, BUT, when they get together they have great chemistry, theres some funny banter between them, and the action scenes were pretty damn entertaining, Haley Bennet was pretty good as well. 7.5/10
 
Saw it, loved it. I'm not sure why some of the reviews say it isn't fun.* There was a lot of fun in this movie.





*(The ol' "the movie could have used some fun" is a lazy film criticism cliche at this point anyways)
 
I do like that Fuqua has a very straightforward style. It makes his action sequences easy and fun to watch. I just think it wasn't a particularly great script.

Peter Sarsgaard's villain is a weak villain. They've made the story more politically correct and less complex.
 
At this point... I have to discount any review of a film that says "they made it more politically correct" without going to to details. For one... WHY do you think it's more politically correct than the Sturges film? (A film by the way in which the Mexican government insisted upon all Mexican characters other than the outlaws as always wearing pristine and clean clothing as much as possible... So... Yeah.)

Secondly, if it does do what you say it does... WHY is that a problem?

"It's no fun" and "It was too politically correct" have no meaning without some kind of context. They frankly feel cheap, and oft repeated rather than thought out as criticisms go.
 
At this point... I have to discount any review of a film that says "they made it more politically correct" without going to to details. For one... WHY do you think it's more politically correct than the Sturges film? (A film by the way in which the Mexican government insisted upon all Mexican characters other than the outlaws as always wearing pristine and clean clothing as much as possible... So... Yeah.)

Secondly, if it does do what you say it does... WHY is that a problem?

"It's no fun" and "It was too politically correct" have no meaning without some kind of context. They frankly feel cheap, and oft repeated rather than thought out as criticisms go.

I wrote a more detailed review, but I don't feel like posting it here. I never said it wasn't fun either. The action sequences in the movie are well shot and mostly fun to watch.

The Seven are a more ethnically diverse group this time. The villains are no longer empathetic figures. They are one-dimensional, cookie-cutter villains. The Mexican bandits in the original are harsh figures, but they are simply trying to survive in a harsh world. Calvera was an interesting character with some actual depth to him. The villains here have none of those qualities. They are basically the stand-in for modern, evil corporate CEO type villains usually found in modern action movies. But they have even less depth.

Fuqua never really challenges the audience here like I think a good western can do. Sturges' original film did challenge the audience at times and let them come to their own conclusions. Chisolm's reasoning is telegraphed early on in the movie. Sometimes, less can be more. Clint Eastwood understood that when he was making A Fistful of Dollars. And by that, there are moments there where his character reveals a lot with only minimal amount of dialogue. There's no heartbreaking monologue. Well there was one, but Eastwood hated it and shortened it to one simple line. But the line is effective so the audience can fill in the rest of the blanks.

To me this remake reminds me a lot of modern video games. Specifically, modern video games will more often than not hold your hand and tell you exactly what to do and how to play throughout the game. As a result, the game is more accessible and friendly to casual gamers. Some would argue that classic games where you had to figure things out and come up with your own strategies and plans of attack and their difficulty made them more appealing. There are times here where I feel like the plot and writing really holds the audience hands. The movie knows and tells us exactly how we should and have to feel all the time. Considering this is a remake of a classic movie, it's hard to ignore.

You talk about lack of context and things feeling cheap.

Well, there are a couple things there directly lifted from the original. However, their use and placement in the movie feels cheap and really has no context. It feels like they were stuck in there because "well we need to use this piece of music at some point" or "we need to use this classic line by this character at some point." When the new movie uses those specific elements from the original, they definitely lack context and feel cheap.
 
I never saw the original Magnificent Seven, but I saw Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai and love it. I may check this out but I'm not expecting this movie to have the same kind of depth and social commentary as the Japanese classic.
 
In all honesty the only characters with actual arcs are Denzel, Pratt and Hawke. I wasn't even entirely sure why Red Harvest joined up aside from it being alluded to that his tribe cast him out.
 
In all honesty the only characters with actual arcs are Denzel, Pratt and Hawke. I wasn't even entirely sure why Red Harvest joined up aside from it being alluded to that his tribe cast him out.

For Red Harvest, in addition to being cast out of his tribe and looking for purpose, I think it was the appeal of stopping "evil white men" from driving out a helpless group of people, something Native Americans know a lot about.
 

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