DeSanto and Murphy off of Transformers 2?

[Figs]

I dunno. I think producers are very important. They meddle. Often to a film's detriment. I think they're more important than the Director because they're responsible for keeping EVERYBODY on the same page. Obviously some producers are allowed to exert more influence than others.... and Bay wisely shut Murphy out. Thank god.

As for Don Murphy, I direct you to this book: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,289436,00.html
Anybody that's as low-class as this guy shouldn't be making movies. No wonder Quentin Tarantino punched him in the face for ruining his Natural Born Killers script and for sending fake letters to magazines claiming to be Tarantino's business partner.

I know there important, what I meant to say was I just don't follow producers that closely as I do Directors and actors.

That article seems to talk crap about Quentin more than it does Don. I have seen some of his postings on his website to fans and he definetly is a bag of ****.

 

[Figs]

Bay isn't some innocent victim. He has more pull with the Paramount execs at this point and he's using this opportunity to get rid of the producers he didn't agree with.

His problems with DeSanto and Don Murphy seem petty. It's easier to cut 30% of your salary when you know your going to get a bigger percent from royalties and you're already the 2nd richest person on the crew. Then he bashes them because they had the audacity to insist he stay true to the source material even though he acknowledges himself it didn't effect his movie.

and they call G1 purists "crybabies".

Sorry but I don't see anything that makes him sound or act like a crybaby. He's basically telling it like it is.

 

[Marvin]

Producer:

I want to make a superman movie

I want it to be directed by bay
I want it to be written by Mark Millar/Grant morrison and M. Puzo
I want Routh, and Ashley Judd, and Hopkins

I'm going to raise $300 for the budget and i'm going to take it to Warner Brothers

I'm a Producer
(for those that don't know what one is)

not sure how it works when there's as many as this film has/had

 

[CFlash]

I know there important, what I meant to say was I just don't follow producers that closely as I do Directors and actors.

That article seems to talk crap about Quentin more than it does Don. I have seen some of his postings on his website to fans and he definetly is a bag of ****.

I know. Because the book is told from the point of view of Don and his partner at the time (she wrote the book). It's still interesting to see what producers do and how they affect (or dont affect at times) movies.

 

[Golgo-13]

Don Murphy is basically a prick. His message board is ruin like a Nazi concerntration camp, where all it's 'prisoners' must stay in line. Did you guys know i was banned from there just 2 weeks..that's right 2 weeks after joining, because i got into it, with another poster (Who had been there for years) because i called Don out about his input pertaining to the robot designs...?

 

[Marvin]

Bay isn't some innocent victim. He has more pull with the Paramount execs at this point and he's using this opportunity to get rid of the producers he didn't agree with.

His problems with DeSanto and Don Murphy seem petty. It's easier to cut 30% of your salary when you know your going to get a bigger percent from royalties and you're already the 2nd richest person on the crew. Then he bashes them because they had the audacity to insist he stay true to the source material even though he acknowledges himself it didn't effect his movie.

and they call G1 purists "crybabies".

I'm not going to pretend i have all the info and go on to name call...

but seems to me that bay's main gripe is that these two...that he's never worked with before, weren't really all that involved in what we're seeing on the big screen(tho they were integral in getting it off the ground)...

and now they want to slap their names all over the success it's shaping up to be

-the fact that they wanted something else(call it g1 purisms if u want) but now their super gung ho...wanting writing credit and all that..

the one thing that u can always trust out of bay is that he's honest and tells it like it is
(even when answering all the b1tching or rather fan questions about his vison..."I wanted a green house" lol)

 

[CFlash]

Sorry but I don't see anything that makes him sound or act like a crybaby. He's basically telling it like it is.

Well... there's always two sides to every story... sometimes 3. B_F brings up a good point (about salary). Having said that, I think Transformers would have been a better movie without Don Murphy. He's probably responsible for souring relationships and causing DeSanto to lose influence with Bay. He's that type of guy.

After League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the many production problems with Bryan Singer's Apt Pupil, the broo-ha-ha with Natural Born Killers, etc, I'm surprised the guy gets any work. At least Desanto has a fairly flawless X1 and X2 under his belt without Don Murphy.

 

[CFlash]

Don Murphy is basically a prick. His message board is ruin like a Nazi concerntration camp, where all it's 'prisoners' must stay in line. Did you guys know i was banned from there just 2 weeks..that's right 2 weeks after joining, because i got into it, with another poster (Who had been there for years) because i called Don out about his input pertaining to the robot designs...?

You got it easy. Just a few days after I joined, one of the mods (I suspect it was Don Murphy himself) hijaked my account and posted some really MESSED UP stuff that anyone who has seen my posts here knows I would never do (cursing, calling his sister a ****... I didn't even know he had a sister...etc etc). Of course, he responded (to himself) and created a fake argument. My sig was changed to "I like it up the A**" .... It was kinda funny.... but I was horrified.

I rejoined from my work computer (different IP) to clear my name. Of course... bang! it happened again.

 

[Figs]

You got it easy. Just a few days after I joined, one of the mods (I suspect it was Don Murphy himself) hijaked my account and posted some really MESSED UP stuff that anyone who has seen my posts here knows I would never do (cursing, calling his sister a ****... I didn't even know he had a sister...etc etc). Of course, he responded (to himself) and created a fake argument. My sig was changed to "I like it up the A**" .... It was kinda funny.... but I was horrified.

I rejoined from my work computer (different IP) to clear my name. Of course... bang! it happened again.

I remember that. One of the few times I lurked over there I remember reading a thread about that. Didn't know it was you.

 

[Forever is over]

Blind fury, I didn't say my respect for Bay came from the pay cut. I agree that Bay is not gonna be hurting after a 30% pay cut but the gesture was nice all the same. And it has nothing to do with the disagreements over designs and what not. I respect that he is speaking his mind about producers who are attempting to take more credit for something then they should. A lot of people worked really hard to make this movie and many of them will not get the credit they deserved. But these guys want to come out and try to take a story credit based on some original treatment that was never used? I think that sucks.

 

[blind_fury]

You got it easy. Just a few days after I joined, one of the mods (I suspect it was Don Murphy himself) hijaked my account and posted some really MESSED UP stuff that anyone who has seen my posts here knows I would never do (cursing, calling his sister a ****... I didn't even know he had a sister...etc etc). Of course, he responded (to himself) and created a fake argument. My sig was changed to "I like it up the A**" .... It was kinda funny.... but I was horrified.

I rejoined from my work computer (different IP) to clear my name. Of course... bang! it happened again.

I got banned at his stooge recruitment website because when he attacked Jon Favreau for being a poor choice for Iron Man (this was when Jon was first hired) I confronted him and told him at least Jon Favreau respects the fans and the source material.

At the time he was mad because he wanted to be involved in making Iron Man and didn't like Jon Favreau for some reason. Yes, I got banned, but it was a proud moment for me.

 

[Figs]

I got banned at his stooge recruitment website because when he attacked Jon Favreau for being a poor choice for Iron Man (this was when he was Jon was first hired) I confronted him and told him at least Jon Favreau respects the fans and the source material.

At the time he was mad because he wanted to be involved in making Iron Man and didn't like Jon Favreau for some reason. Yes, I got banned, but it was a proud moment for me.

Being able to tell off his fatass is worth being banned.

 

[blind_fury]

Sorry but I don't see anything that makes him sound or act like a crybaby. He's basically telling it like it is.

What does he have to complain about?

He said himself they were just annoying to him but didn't control any of the movie making process. What is he whining about?

They made him feel uncomfortable? Who cares, he still retained control of the movie. Why slander them publicly?

He sounds like a spoiled brat who got everything he wanted but didn't want other kids watching him play with his toys.

 

[blind_fury]

Being able to tell off his fatass is worth being banned.

Yes, I did enjoy it. t:

 

[CFlash]

What does he have to complain about?

He said himself they were just annoying to him but didn't control of the movie making process. What is he whining about?

They made him feel uncomfortable? Who cares, he still retained control of the movie. Why slander them publicly? S

He sounds like a spoiled brat who got everything he wanted but didn't want other kids watching him play with his toys. The ultimate crybaby.

He might be setting the stage to combat the inevitable "Steven Spielberg actually made this movie- at least the first half" rumors. Ha ha. t:

 

[Figs]

What does he have to complain about?

He said himself they were just annoying to him but didn't control any of the movie making process. What is he whining about?

They made him feel uncomfortable? Who cares, he still retained control of the movie. Why slander them publicly? S

He sounds like a spoiled brat who got everything he wanted but didn't want other kids watching him play with his toys. The ultimate crybaby.

That's more than a little farfetched for this situation. They wanted credit for something they were only involved with for the very beginning, like they were the big ones and it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for them.

I remember it was Spielberg who wanted to do this film and it was him that convinced Bay to direct.

Forever is over, actually said it best in his last post.

 

[Marvin]

What does he have to complain about?

He said himself they were just annoying to him but didn't control any of the movie making process. What is he whining about?

They made him feel uncomfortable? Who cares, he still retained control of the movie. Why slander them publicly?

He sounds like a spoiled brat who got everything he wanted but didn't want other kids watching him play with his toys.

more like a man of a director not curling over and letting ppl(fans or the higher ups) walk all over him or his vision

next u'll be calling shaft a baby for not taking any mess

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't see anything wrong with Bay putting forth this blog as a rebuttal to two guys that are going around town running their mouths like they were the force behind this not Bay and the Berg.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I got banned at his stooge recruitment website because when he attacked Jon Favreau for being a poor choice for Iron Man (this was when Jon was first hired) I confronted him and told him at least Jon Favreau respects the fans and the source material.

Not to go to far off track but how do you feel about him reworking the Stark timeline and villain arcs ? or is it just the suits that you are talking about when you speak of the source material respect ?

 

[blind_fury]

more like a man of a director not curling over and letting ppl(fans or the higher ups) walk all over him or his vision

next u'll be calling shaft a baby for not taking any mess

The "higher ups"? Dude Desanto and Murphy never had any creative control over the movie. Did you read what he said?

And the fans should not be marginalized and trivialized. If Bay only wants to do his "vision" he should create his own fictional universe and do Bad Boys 3. That's like directing Iron Man and ignoring the source material and fans to do something barely recognizable. What's the point of calling it Iron Man?

 

[blind_fury]

Not to go to far off track but how do you feel about him reworking the Stark timeline and villain arcs ? or is it just the suits that you are talking about when you speak of the source material respect ?

There's a difference between minimizing the changes for the fans sake and maximizing the changes(thereby trivializing/exploiting the fans and source material).

Huge difference.

 

[Hunter Rider]

There's a difference between minimizing the changes for the fans sake and minimizing the accuracy(thereby trivializing the fans and source material).

Huge difference.

That's not what i asked,i was asking how you feel about

Spoiler

Iron Monger being before Mandarin and the alcoholism which alters the way the source has those incidents take place and thus alters the story between Stane and Stark

That's a pretty massive change

As a fan i am personally always open to new versions of these characters and don't hold the old books as the holy grail

 

[Marvin]

The "higher ups"? Dude Desanto and Murphy never had any creative control over the movie. Did you read what he said?

And the fans should not be marginalized and trivialized. If Bay only wants to do his "vision" he should create his own fictional universe and do Bad Boys 3. That's like directing Iron Man and ignoring the source material and fans to do something barely recognizable. What's the point of calling it Iron Man?

I wasn't just talking about those two when i said higher ups
-bays notorious for taking risks that studios in general don't like till after the fact

i consider them higher ups in that their producers, in the heiarchy, they're in fact above him


HIS vision within the relm of the universe
last i checked this film has resonated with countless "hardcores"

ur vision, and forgive me for my assumptions(just making a generalized point), was/is a live action version of that 86 movie

his vision isn't that...it's way different but it's pretty much the same thing(characters, homeworld, scale, basic story)

bumblebee being a prime example of this

donner superman played out nothing like that 1939 action comic, i guess he should have called it something else...maybe meator man or something

theres a difference between exploiting and elevating

 

[blind_fury]

That's not what i asked,i was asking how you feel about

Spoiler

Iron Monger being before Mandarin and the alcoholism which alters the way the source has those incidents take place and thus alters the story between Stane and Stark

That's a pretty massive change

As a fan i am personally always open to new versions of these characters and don't hold the old books as the holy grail

Like i said Jon is keeping the changes to a minimum, he isn't doing whole sale changes as if the fans and the source material doesn't exist or matter.

Most of the Iron Man mythos is 100% recognizable and can be easily referenced by life-long fans beyond nomenclature. That's what any adaptation of source material with a sizable fanbase should accomplish. I don't want to see an Iron Man movie where most of the characters unrecognizable outside of their names or only makes passing homages to the source material. That defeats the purpose of making an Iron Man movie and exploits/trivializes the fanbase. You might as well change the title of the movie if it's only vaguely inspired by the source material that gave the title meaning and popularity to begin with.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Like i said Jon is keeping the changes to a minimum, he isn't doing whole sale changes as if the fans and the source material doesn't exist or matter.

Most of the Iron Man mythos is 100% recognizable and can be easily referenced by life-long fans beyond nomenclature. That's what any adaptation of source material with a sizable fanbase should accomplish. I don't want to see an Iron Man movie where most of the characters unrecognizable outside of their names or only makes passing homages to the source material. That defeats the purpose of making an Iron Man movie and exploits/trivializes the fanbase. You might as well change the title of the movie if it's only vaguely inspired by the source material that gave the title meaning and popularity to begin with.

Ok....I really don't see how such a major part of the mythos beign altered is small but ok...Also i think that characterization is more important than making it look close to an old book