DeSanto and Murphy off of Transformers 2?

[Hunter Rider]

well unless we know for sure I think it's unfair to conclude Jon is making major changes to the source material.

The one thing we do know for sure is that if that storyline is to be followed Tony would have to be an Alcholic by the end of movie one as they have already filmed

Spoiler

The iron Man Vs Iron Monger fight

 

[xwolverine2]

still arguing about this crap two days before the movies release?

oh common

 

[Marvin]

what came first? the chicken or the egg?

Fans mostly gave Bay a fair chance until we saw the designs for Starscream/Megatron/Frenzy and plot details with a dog urinating on Transformers and such. Needless to say, not all were pleased.

fans b1tiched at the mention of his name

speak for urself

beyond that, he's always quoted as saying...i read the sites...and ppl want me dead...
these same ppl that are now taking there words back...

just seems to me that he was in the right
and all were doing the bay prejudice thing


what did u think of the Ultimate Iron book
(exploitation?)

the whole ultimate line in general!

 

[Spark]

Bay isn't some innocent victim. He has more pull with the Paramount execs at this point and he's using this opportunity to get rid of the producers he didn't agree with.

His problems with DeSanto and Don Murphy seem petty. It's easier to cut 30% of your salary when you know your going to get a bigger percent from royalties and you're already the 2nd richest person on the crew. Then he bashes them because they had the audacity to insist he stay true to the source material even though he acknowledges himself it didn't effect his movie.

and they call G1 purists "crybabies".

True. Plus Bay was getting a cut off Hasbro IIRC. It's easy to ask people to take a pay-cut when you're sitting on a mountain of gold.

And and has anyone wondered why Desanto had certain problems with the script/designs? This was a guy who threw out the recognisable X-Men costumes so if he's got doubts it might be worth listening to, and after seeing the earlier concept art shown at Botcon I wouldn't be suprised if his opinions were felt by more than just himself.

He was also the guy who was adamant that the TFs should be proper characters, while some thought they shouldn't speak at all.

Well... there's always two sides to every story... sometimes 3. B_F brings up a good point (about salary). Having said that, I think Transformers would have been a better movie without Don Murphy. He's probably responsible for souring relationships and causing DeSanto to lose influence with Bay. He's that type of guy.

Nah, they're good friends. Infact Tom is the uber-TF geek of the two. Clearly you're so blinded by Don hate that you're pimping the guy who was raping your childhood not so long ago.

 

[iLLy_DNA]

I can't say "go Bay" or "go Tom" on this one. I was never behind the scenes to see what really went down. Both sides brought something to the table. You can't say Tom and Don don't deserve at least SOME credit for getting this thing off the ground. Hollywood wasn't really knocking down Hasbo's door trying to make this movie. Obviously Bay brought some ideas that work when it comes to execution. Two sides to a story indeed.

 

[Marvin]

True. Plus Bay was getting a cut off Hasbro IIRC. It's easy to ask people to take a pay-cut when you're sitting on a mountain of gold.

where on earth does it say that?

sitting on a mountain of gold?
well then i guess that explains why all those 20million caliber actors do it for free

I wouldn't act as if a pay cut is nothing...

cameron sometimes does it out of his own pocket..but he makes it all back with his back end deals..

bay ligetimately took a 30% cut of his share...for project "he cares nothing for" aparently

And and has anyone wondered why Desanto had certain problems with the script/designs? This was a guy who threw out the recognisable X-Men costumeswow, he literally threw them out eh... i figure singer had something to do with it...but now tony boi just grabbed all suits and walk over to the trash can, dumped them in, lit his cigar, and tossed the match into the can, walking away he says to himself "No one ****s with Wolverine" and he pops one on his claws t: so if he's got doubts it might be worth listening to, and after seeing the earlier concept art shown at Botcon I wouldn't be suprised if his opinions were felt by more than just himself.



He was also the guy who was adamant that the TFs should be proper characters, while some thought they shouldn't speak at all.

THE GUY?

Nah, they're good friends. Infact Tom is the uber-TF geek of the two. Clearly you're so blinded by Don hate that you're pimping the guy who was raping your childhood not so long ago.

clearly

 

[Spark]

cameron sometimes does it out of his own pocket..but he makes it all back with his back end deals..

What, like taking a pay cut on the movie while striking a nice deal on the merchandise?

Hey, we agree!

wow, he literally threw them out eh...

I wasn't speaking literally of course. Nice try though.

THE GUY?

Tom Desanto, the guy I was clearly taking about in the previous paragraph. Keep up.

 

[Spark]

Anyway, the thread/blog was deleted and I got the last post so I win the internet!

 

[Marvin]

What, like taking a pay cut on the movie while striking a nice deal on the merchandise?

no, i mean like camron pay'd his own money to finish titanic if i read right...but because he got a share of the profits...and that movie approached 2bill...he's rich *****

like i said, i'd like to see where it's stated that bay himself has some sort of merchandising deal

Hey, we agree!

I wasn't speaking literally of course. Nice try though.
and neither was i...

my point was, weather he was involved in the leather suits or not...don't give him credit like it was his idea or something...Singer has said himself that he didn't want to do yellow suits (and being the director it did all come down to him)

Tom Desanto, the guy I was clearly taking about in the previous paragraph. Keep up.

I know who u were talking about
I just wanted to point out the flaw in the way u presented it, by re stating what you said
...in other words

don't say "THAT GUY" like he was the one and only

 

[powerbomb1411]

Kudos to Bay on this. I like his work that I have watched. And I like it even more when people in Hollywood are blunt and honest.

Bay isn't the victim, he is the bully.

Really? Cause from the way I see it, he along with many others in Hollywood are victims in a way. he has been getting bashed for such a long time by the internet. I see that as being a victim in a sense. Hypothectically, So the internet bash's and bash's him non stop it's perfectly OK. But if he comes out and tells the internet to go **** themselves then they take offense and say he's an arrogant *******.

It's a two way street. Sometimes I wish the people getting bashed on the internet would come on to the net and bash them right back. But then I realize they have better things to do such as....

#1. Have lots of sex with supermodels (One model at a time for one night if they are off their game.
#2. Get paid lots of money all the while getting the chance to piss of the internet because they know nothing about what they are bashing.
#3 Have lots of threesomes with supermodels on a mediocre day.
#4 Drive very fast cars.
#5 Take a bath in hundred dollar bills.
#6 Get free stuff.

Six very good reasons why you won't see to many Hollywood types (If any) often (If ever) come on the internet to defend themselves against all the bullies online talking crap about them when they have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Michael Bay is a BAD ASS!!!!

 

[Marvin]

Kudos to Bay on this. I like his work that I have watched. And I like it even more when people in Hollywood are blunt and honest.



Really? Cause from the way I see it, he along with many others in Hollywood are victims in a way. he has been getting bashed for such a long time by the internet. I see that as being a victim in a sense. Hypothectically, So the internet bash's and bash's him non stop it's perfectly OK. But if he comes out and tells the internet to go **** themselves then they take offense and say he's an arrogant *******.

It's a two way street. Sometimes I wish the people getting bashed on the internet would come on to the net and bash them right back. But then I realize they have better things to do such as....

#1. Have lots of sex with supermodels (One model at a time for one night if they are off their game.
#2. Get paid lots of money all the while getting the chance to piss of the internet because they know nothing about what they are bashing.
#3 Have lots of threesomes with supermodels on a mediocre day.
#4 Drive very fast cars.
#5 Take a bath in hundred dollar bills.
#6 Get free stuff.

Six very good reasons why you won't see to many Hollywood types (If any) often (If ever) come on the internet to defend themselves against all the bullies online talking crap about them when they have no clue what they are talking about.

haha that's hilarious...

but no doubt true
(ur list i mean)

ur also right about the two way street

 

[blind_fury]

Kudos to Bay on this. I like his work that I have watched. And I like it even more when people in Hollywood are blunt and honest.



Really? Cause from the way I see it, he along with many others in Hollywood are victims in a way. he has been getting bashed for such a long time by the internet. I see that as being a victim in a sense. Hypothectically, So the internet bash's and bash's him non stop it's perfectly OK. But if he comes out and tells the internet to go **** themselves then they take offense and say he's an arrogant *******.

It's a two way street. Sometimes I wish the people getting bashed on the internet would come on to the net and bash them right back. But then I realize they have better things to do such as....

#1. Have lots of sex with supermodels (One model at a time for one night if they are off their game.
#2. Get paid lots of money all the while getting the chance to piss of the internet because they know nothing about what they are bashing.
#3 Have lots of threesomes with supermodels on a mediocre day.
#4 Drive very fast cars.
#5 Take a bath in hundred dollar bills.
#6 Get free stuff.

Six very good reasons why you won't see to many Hollywood types (If any) often (If ever) come on the internet to defend themselves against all the bullies online talking crap about them when they have no clue what they are talking about.

lolz. Who are you defending? Brett Ratner?

The only other director to taunt and attack the fans openly was Joel Schumacher. That's terrible company to keep. Then again they're "birds of a feather". They're both more concerned with selling happy meal and product placement then they are with telling a great story.

Most directors get scrutinized by skeptic fans who just don't want to see their fandom trivialized or exploited. Most of these directors are mature and secure enough to know all this comes with the job. If you have creative control of a franchise with a sizable fanbase of course the fans are going to scrutinize your every movie. WTF did he expect??? Apathy? A bunch of mindless cheerleaders???

Len Wisemen got bashed unmercifully before DH4 came out, but he never lashed out, he just let the movie speak for itself. Gloating and mocking the fans dedication to the franchise is quite possibly the worst thing you can do. We just want a movie that's a good representation of their favorite property. Shame on us.

 

[Theweepeople]

If bringing Ratner aboard for X3 was any indication, they would be friggin' smart to get his ass for the sequels. I mean....no one does action like him.

Please no. I have yet to see a Ratner movie that I liked. He's not the worst director in hollywood. However, being slightly better than Paul W. S. Anderson and Uwe Bol isn't saying much.

 

[Marvin]

lolz. Who are you defending? Brett Ratner?

The only other director to taunt and attack the fans openly was Joel Schumacher. That's terrible company to keep. Then again they're "birds of a feather". They're both more concerned with selling happy meal and product placement then they are with telling a great story.

taunt and attack? when? i'm honestly curios...and if u think that(happy meal part) u obviously haven't been following any of what bays been saying about this film

Most directors get scrutinized by skeptic fans who just don't want to see their fandom trivialized or exploited. Most of these directors are mature and secure enough to know all this comes with the job. If you have creative control of a franchise with a sizable fanbase of course the fans are going to scrutinize your every movie. WTF did he expect??? Apathy? A bunch of mindless cheerleaders???

Yes, I'm sure NOLAN and Singer have been in the position bays been in...and because of it they've had the opportunity to show us just how much more mature they are

ie petitions outside of their offices...death threats...hate mail..
Nolan u ruined my childhood...

untill then, don't say a word about how much more mature they've been

Len Wisemen got bashed unmercifully before DH4 came out, but he never lashed out, he just let the movie speak for itself. Gloating and mocking the fans dedication to the franchise is quite possibly the worst thing you can do. They just want a movie that's a good representation of their favorite property. Shame on them.

sorry dude but die hard "fans"

can't compare to G1 fans..u know this more than anyone...he no doubt got mocked for being a no talent hack...but did he do something to Mclaine and get the revenge of the nerds at his door step...NOpE

every talk back breaks records...and it was mostly *****ing...up untill a few days ago

simply put

if this is about brushing ur shoulders off no matter how vocal the fans(who after seeing the finished product ate their words)...

well

bay got a sh1t load more than anyone else has...ever

 

[blind_fury]

if this is about brushing ur shoulders off no matter how vocal the fans(who after seeing the finished product ate their words)...

Dude I will never eat my words. I'll never apologize for having standards and demanding a movie that stays true to what inspired fandom in the first place (not just explosions).

I'll never apologize for expecting more than an empty spectacle.

Are you kidding me? t:

 

[Darkest Knight]

Michael Bay's film is greatly improving on that intial concept. It's bringing it major credibility.

 

[Marvin]

guess that makes u different from all the others then

eventho i never said u'd take ur words back...only eat them

as in u can claim it's a matter or having standards and "expecting more than an empty spectacle."

the big secret u'll find out in due time is that bayformers isn't an empty spectacle and it does infact stay true..to what ever it needs to by realistic standards

u'll be on here saying

"well, I wasn't wrong in what i wanted ok...i wanted it to stay ture...i like having standards..and that's what wrong with ppl these days they don't...i wasn't wrong about that...I was wrong thinking this film didn't have any...and that it didn't stay true to characters...i was justifiably judging only pictures and hearsay from a script that really did suck...I wasn't wrong...so i don't have to eat my words...
I just was mis informed ok"

peace

 

[Spark]

like i said, i'd like to see where it's stated that bay himself has some sort of merchandising deal

Meh, it's the internets. Look and ye shall find.

Or wait till it's declassified.

my point was, weather he was involved in the leather suits or not...don't give him credit like it was his idea or something...Singer has said himself that he didn't want to do yellow suits (and being the director it did all come down to him)

I don't give Tom credit for the leather malarky (which added to X-Men's blandness IMO) but he certainly had an opinion on the 'yellow suits'...

"DeSanto also tried to calm fan fears that the film's costumes will differ from those depicted in the Marvel comic of the same name. "It's tough to translate something that looks good in two dimensions, like Wolverine's mask," DeSanto said. "You see it on a piece of paper and it looks great, but when you try to build it in three dimensions it looks like a bad Mardi Gras mask. To give the mask--and those ears that fly up--weight is impossible."

 

[Marvin]

and this was said before singer made the decision or after?

 

[Spark]

and this was said before singer made the decision or after?

I don't know. Was I there?!

 

[blind_fury]

Michael Bay's film is greatly improving on that intial concept. It's bringing it major credibility.

What did Bay add to the mythos that "greatly" improves on the initial concept?

and no. boobs, piss, and masterbation jokes don't count.

 

[Marvin]

okay....

did he say this

"DeSanto also tried to calm fan fears that the film's costumes will differ from those depicted in the Marvel comic of the same name. "It's tough to translate something that looks good in two dimensions, like Wolverine's mask," DeSanto said. "You see it on a piece of paper and it looks great, but when you try to build it in three dimensions it looks like a bad Mardi Gras mask. To give the mask--and those ears that fly up--weight is impossible."

before or after filming started

i honestly hope i'm not asking too much of u to have some idea where ur getting ur source material

 

[Marvin]

What did Bay add to the mythos that "greatly" improves on the initial concept?

and no. boobs, piss, and masterbation jokes don't count.

u may want to define "the initial concept" first
(sounds like a trap to me)

 

[Psion]

I have to say I am in the Bay side. I didnt enjoy alot of his movies, probably only bad boys 2 and armageddon (not matter how shat they are)
they had a very clear vision cinematically that was near James Cameron's work. I am talking about Cinematically, not writing wise. The boy had some talents, no doubt. Oscars? no, but talents, yes.

Balls to him to talk like this, maybe it was because he read that message from Bruce Willis over at AICN. We can peice this all together. If you check all interviews over the world, the clues are there.

Bay clearly said, abotu Trans 2, that he has NOT signed on and wants leverage. This is the leverage. Kinda like James Cameron ******* way to make movies. I make this movie, I am good. Once the box office reciept comes in, I am going to have all the power in the world and no one is going to stop me or ***** about anything. Thats his attitude. JC, did the same, when Titanic was hit, boom, GOD. Spielberg with Jaws and ET, made him GOD, LOTR made Jackson GOD. Bay was not GOD yet, even with those hit movies. This movie will make him in the same RANKS as mention above. Nothing will stop him.

He just want where credit is due. Simple as that. Interview in Japan with Spielberg, SS said clearly that THIS IS NOT MY MOVIE. ALL I DID WAS "BEING THE BOSS" and made it happen. Talk to bay, pull together the production and then SS went to make his War of World and Indy film. He knew why he had to clue his name to the production to give Transformers a credibility. Bay was lucky because Island BOMBED. and no matter DeSando, whatever producers did whatever, did all the work. THEY CANT SELL THE MOVIE and make the movie creditable.

That was the strategy. Spielberg Back up Bay, who has talents. Bay again states, this is my movie, NO one, including Spielberg did interfere. All SS did was give advice to Bay, that if you want to be in my RANK, you must make this movie ET style. ie. touching boy and car relationship. Bay knew how matter cocky he is, this is what gave Spielberg and Peter Jackson, their GOD lke powers. So, he did, like the smart ass he is.

So, he made the movie, his vision, stuck to it. If it hits, like Titanic, Bay will be the next JC. (christ sake, Bay bought out JC's Digital Domain)
He is doing to right thing, no matter whoever says ****, MANY MANY people said **** about JC, now look at JC, still GOD, still got 250 million for his digital movie in 2009.

Bay is not humble, but he is right. Get credit, only when is due. DeSando, I love the guy. It does suck for him, that his treatment didnt get used. I think the situation is simple. The final version probably has similarities to his ideas.
So he is like, CRAP this movie is going to be the biggest in my career, I better make this work fo my resume. BUT, he got butted by the system. Didnt used his treatment. Now he is fuycked. So, he had to pull cheapy tricks to get his credit. Because once he miss this chance, and once Bay have the GOD power after this movie opens. Is over.

Bay is not wrong, he is a ass-hole, but he can pay the political hollywood REALLY REALLY WELL. that is what made him and JC genius. Like how the hell JC tricked 2 studios to put in so much money for Titanic. JC is pretty much Uw Boll genius gathering money, and help, only difference is that JC is a genious artist and Uwe is a crap bum.

Bay is soooo good at this. And to reality is that DeSando, even with X1 and X2. Really messed up his political Tactics. He should of kisses sweet ass to Spielberg and Bay, once he get his credit, then he can do whatever he wants. But he lost this fight. And he is being a sore loser by pulling strings in the back. Which make Bay and maybe Spielberg pissed.

So, thats all I think. Is just the hollywood game. Who plays it better and someone always loses. (like Singer with Superman... didnt give him as much as GOD power as he liked, instead, he have to do damage control with a smaller budget)

Next up, Bay, the next JC, no way paramount will mess with him. Just like Raimi, with Spiderman. Double hits, gets you power to make Spidey3. Total power. Bay will make Trans 2 and 3 with a combine budget of 500 million. I hope deSando get smart up and just keep it tight until he secure a position on Trans 2. If he gets kick out for this, I think he is stupid. Keep playing the game, his chance will come.

bad relationships never work out. Just like we will never see PJ's hobbit.
or a return of Willis and Bay