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Discussion in 'Batman World' started by Two-Face, May 5, 2006.
Is it on Elseworlds or on continuity?
The only instance I'm aware of is Earth-2 Bruce marrying Selena (eventually giving rise to Earth-2 Huntress/Helena Wayne). Of course, that was retconned post-Crisis.
There is an story where Selina dreamt she married Bruce. She wore her mask with her wedding dress and they argue over his commitment to Gotham as she wants him to herself.
That's not an elseworld's story it was a dream Catwoman was having about marrying Batman. It was shown in a Nightwing issue.
Oh right, sorry. It's not exactly in continuity though is it?
The only time Bruce has been married, post-crisis, is in "Son of the Demon".
Which may or may not be in continuity. He's never been married in any of the Bat - comics. Bruce was engaged in Year 2. But, I'm pretty sure that has been removed from continuity as well.
Ya it was my understand that Year Two with the Reaper villain whatever it was called was replaced with The Long Halloween. A very good trade I must add. In addition, I do not recall Bruce being married or engaged to anyone.
He asked The Reapers daughter to marry him. I can't recall her name right now, her last name was Crandell. She was going to become a nun. Bruce asked her to marry him after (seemingly) 2 or 3 dates. After she found out her dad was the Reaper, she took her vows to become a nun as a way to make up for her fathers' crimes.
Oh...well...it is not in continuity since TLH replaced Year Two sorta.
Does Y2 suck and why is it been replaced by TLH?
I think they replaced it because they did not like having the Reaper being Batman's main villain for his second year? I forget...someone in some thread a long time ago told me a better reason why besides that lol.
I think it had to do with the fact that Batman knew Joe Chill killed his parents. Up until the little blurb in IC 6 and the confirmation in IC 7, the name of his parents killer was unknown. Now that Chill is the killer, and has apparently been arrested, who's to know the status of Year 2 continuity-wise.
The "Year Two" with the Reaper was taken out of continuity though.
What about Talia? Didn't he marry her? Although.....it probably wouldn't count on any actual scale since it took place outside the country.....but that story is coming back into continuity, atleast by rumors.
Actually, the marriage you refer to is a bit trickier than that. As I recall, way back in the 1970s Denny O'Neil wrote a story in which Batman was somehow rendered unconscious (I forget how) and then woke up aboard a ship belonging to Ra's al Ghul. Ra's basically said something like, "Congratulations, Detective! You are now married to my daughter!"
Batman says pointedly, "I don't remember saying 'I do!'" Ra's regards that as an unimportant detail, explaining that in the native culture of Talia's mother (I think), all that is necessary is for the girl to voluntarily say "I hereby marry you" or words to that effect. Which Talia did while Bruce was still unconscious.
So Ra's feeds them a sumptuous dinner to celebrate the wedding and then locks them up in a stateroom aboard the ship so they can have a wedding night together. Batman knocks Talia unconscious, picks the lock on the door, and escapes back to the mainland to do something-or-other to foil Ra's al Ghul's latest scheme.
That story is reprinted in the TPB "Tales of the Demon," along with a bunch of other stories Denny wrote at different times in the 1970s about Batman, Talia, and Ra's.
All of the above "really happened" in the continuity of the 1970s.
So Talia is referring to that old story when, in "Son of the Demon," she reminds Batman of a time when she consented to their marriage. He says something like "I remember. But it's hard for me to think of that 'marriage' as real." Then she throws herself at him and they basically end up consummating their marriage -- probably some years after they "got married" in the first place (according to her mother's native culture's laws, whatever that culture may be).
For months after that (still in the pages of "Son of the Demon") they live together, apparently with Batman thinking of himself as being "married" to her, more or less. By the very end of that graphic novel they've broken up. But the "marriage" had technically happened, at least from Talia's point of view, years earlier in that old Denny O'Neil story, and as far as I know, that part is still in continuity and always has been! (Just not the part about Batman and Talia later having sex to "consummate" the marriage in "Son of the Demon.")
And now I hear reports that Grant Morrison has explicitly said he intends to drag "Son of the Demon" back into continuity, so that we can find out what happened to the child of Talia and Batman. (At the end of that story, she had told him she miscarried, but actually she put the kid up for adoption. The baby boy hasn't been heard from since, partially because Denny O'Neil later insisted "Son of the Demon" was way outside of continuity.)
Was all that clear as mud?
That explains that one thread someone had made about some new storyline coming about with Batman having a kid.
God..........and people have the balls to say that the movies screw up.
Haha. On the DC Comics website they should have a section specifically for what is in continuity for their superheroes. The best I have found is snipe's site but the Batman continuity is not updated past Identity Crisis.
They do...? Gotta check that out....
Nononono. They do not. I am saying they should.
But here is snipe's site if you want to check it out.
He recently updated so that it has more than just Batman and Bat Family continuity and issues stuff. Other DC Comics superheroes as well.
Is that why Ra's wanted Bruce take over his role and let Talia marry Bruce?
Ra's had come to know of the existence of Batman and was fascinated by him. The story where Ra's was introduced, 'Daughter of the Demon', has him appearing in the Batcave, telling Batman he knows his secret identity and appealing to him to work together to find who kidnapped both Robin and Talia. As it turns out, this was a test by Ra's to see if Batman was worthy of marrying Talia, who had fallen in love with him from when he 'rescued' her in an earlier story, 'Into the Den of the Death Dealers' (although this may have been another test).
Batman and Ra's travel the globe in search of the allegely missing pair. Batman figures out from the start he's being played, but goes along in order to work his way to Robin. After the Dynamic Duo lay the smack down on the League of Assassins (including Batman trash-talking and whipping Ubu ), Ra's reveals that he needed to see for himself if Batman was a worthy son-in-law and heir, so he set the whole thing up. Batman didn't know Talia had feelings for him, but (obviously) rejected Ra's offer.
The other relevant part of the history follows as Lorendiac explained. The last time I checked, you can actually read 'Daughter of the Demon' at the Comics section on the Batman Begins website.
Thanks Mr J.
No prob. I learned something myself in all of this.
That is the good thing about these kinds of threads.