What I don't get is how people find it fine to have an abortion unless it's pregnancy by rape of course.
Refusing to concede a fetus as a living them, I contend, weakens the foundation of a Pro-Choice argument.
Who thinks its "fine" to have an abortion unless it's pregnancy by rape? That makes zero sense and I don't know anyone who thinks that way.
I'm pro choice because if I got a girl pregnant tomorrow I'd want her to get an abortion. I'd rather be wrong than a hypocrite.
Pro-Lifers don't want to grant a fetus with the same rights as a living person, they want to grant fetuses more rights than a living person. No one has the right to the life of another without their consent.
Refusing to concede a fetus as a living them, I contend, weakens the foundation of a Pro-Choice argument.
Marx said:You can spin my pro-choice view as being 'pro-abortion' all you want, but it's just not true.
The only thing further that I will say is what I have always said on this subject...
I am personally opposed to abortion except in the cases of rape or mother's health. I am pro-choice because I support a woman's right to have that choice. It is not my place, or yours, to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.
Parents are subject to child abandonment and neglect laws. You can't arbitrarily throw your child out on the street or leave baby next to a dumpster. Our laws generally indicate that state has responsibility of protecting children and minors even to the point of punishing abuse (indirect or direct) performed by the parent. I don't see how not giving birth to your child is any different than choosing not to feed your child. A parent has the option of sending child up for adoption, but they must apply to give up their parental rights revoked to the state. I don't see why abortion laws can't be treated differently.
Exactly how I feel Marx.The only thing further that I will say is what I have always said on this subject...
I am personally opposed to abortion except in the cases of rape or mother's health. I am pro-choice because I support a woman's right to have that choice. It is not my place, or yours, to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body.
I'm not misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure I've read here how guys are at a disadvantage because what the woman wants, goes, even if the guy wants to raise the child himself. The gold-digging baby mama is the more stereotypical situation, but the other situation happens too. Yeah, it sucks, but the right of the woman's choice supersedes everything. You can't force a woman to have an abortion the same way you can't force a woman not to have one.You misunderstand Anita. A guy is less likely to care if the girl aborts his child. He has more of a problem when she doesn't. It's the whole issue of 18 years of legally enforced financial anal rape. Now if it's her body, and her money, I don't think the guy cares the least bit.
Though it's true that since we do look at abortion from the singular standpoint of being a woman's rights issue, it makes no sense that a man should face any repercussions for her choice (i.e. child support).I'm not misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure I've read here how guys are at a disadvantage because what the woman wants, goes, even if the guy wants to raise the child himself. The gold-digging baby mama is the more stereotypical situation, but the other situation happens too. Yeah, it sucks, but the right of the woman's choice supersedes everything. You can't force a woman to have an abortion the same way you can't force a woman not to have one.
And this is why one should be educated and have discussions with your partner about these things. Would lessen the suckage!
By all means. If I made the above look like I am endorsing a man being able to make a woman partake in ANY kind of medical procedure, that was absolutely not my intention.The thing is, abortion has consequences medically. So if a guy says, I want her to have an abortion, he is putting her in a situation that medically could have extreme consequences. He should not have that say....
You have sex, well, you run the risk of the girl getting pregnant....if you take the chance, you may have to dance. Paying child support does not equal making a medical choice for someone...very, very different.
That's why the situation sucks. I understand that, but it's still HER body. What makes no sense to me is how a guy could tell a woman to undergo a medical procedure on his say-so and not hers.Though it's true that since we do look at abortion from the singular standpoint of being a woman's rights issue, it makes no sense that a man should face any repercussions for her choice (i.e. child support).
That's when you need a good lawyer to write you a rock-solid legal document. You have to be rich to afford that.By all means. If I made the above look like I am endorsing a man being able to make a woman partake in ANY kind of medical procedure, that was absolutely not my intention.
I'm simply saying once the child is born it really shouldn't be their problemo.
There are a lot of ways to not have a kid, I feel like most people who do somehow enjoyed the 'risk' at hand. I don't so I always wear a condom assuming she absolutely refuses entry to the butt.That's when you need a good lawyer to write you a rock-solid legal document. You have to be rich to afford that.
So self-protection is definitely the way to go.
Hey, women have to carry a little person inside themselves for 9 months and then pop them out of a small tube. I think we deserve something for that inconvenience.It does take two to tango, however when my son was born I had to sign some paperwork or the state of Texas wouldn't have recognized my rights as a father. However if I had shirked my duties they would have arrested me for being a deadbeat dad.
What?
Not nearly comparable, dude.We have to deal with a pregnant woman!!!
Hey, women have to carry a little person inside themselves for 9 months and then pop them out of a small tube. I think we deserve something for that inconvenience.