I will not discuss this, because there is no way anyone can discuss it civilaly. But, thanks for opening a thread for it. Let's hope the following posts are not so, let's say, Gladatorial.
Oh, I suggested this earlier today.I just thought that since there are some posters discussing this in other threads, that maybe one should be created for it. (So it doesn't hijack said threads.)
"Thread Rape".
Who can say when life begins.
I support a fair and comprihensive Dust'n and a Clean'n in the event of a Thread Rape.So you would be pro-abortion in the case of thread rape?
One could argue that life begins at the first heartbeat. Or the First time a Zigote turns into what ever a zigote turns into. You know, Cell Division and such.It's a hard line to define... but I think there was evidence (scientific) that says it's not conception.
I support a fair and comprihensive Dust'n and a Clean'n in the event of a Thread Rape.
One could argue that life begins at the first heartbeat. Or the First time a Zigote turns into what ever a zigote turns into. You know, Cell Division and such.
You can't do the time don't do the crime.
I have a question about this, maybe anyone can answer. Like I said up there in my First Post, I don't talk about this. But, Is a child punishment? Is human life so utterly disgusting, that you would call human life a punishment?It's about so much more than that. You could have been perfectly safe, there's always a chance, however small, that something will go wrong. Should you be punished for that? Risks come with everything in life, but that doesn't mean we have to avoid them, that would be impossible. And you can't blame people for taking those risks.
I've always been pro-choice, by the way, for pretty much the same arguments people have already made in this thread.
By the way, hi, I'm new here!
Well stated. I used to be prolife until I had a similar realignment of my thinking. I don't have a womb, so I should keep my damn mouth shut.Three years ago, a female friend of mine came up to me and told me she was pregnant. And because I'm such a charming, smart, intellectual person, she asked what she should do about her pregnancy.
I told her it was her choice.
She continued to ask me. She continued to ask what I thought she should do.
So I told her that I did not know what she was going through, and therefore I am unqualified to make the decision for her. But if I had to make a recommendation, if I were in that scenario, I would keep the baby and put it through adoption. Why? Because I felt that it was the right path. The best path for an unborn child.
But she didn't. Because she couldn't let a pregnancy get in the way of her academic career, a pregnancy which she never intended to have, because she used protection and was "as careful as could be." She is still with the boyfriend, I don't think he knows about the pregnancy and the subsequent abortion-- and why should he? It wasn't intended, she never wanted to get pregnant, they couldn't raise a child if they wanted to and they didn't want to go through the emotional turmoil that pregnancy caused. I can't blame her. At all.
And that, as far as I'm concerned, shows why men cannot have a solid opinion on the matter. Because we can never know what these women feel. We can never know what it is like to get pregnant at such a young age, to have an 'accidental' child.
Many of you may be surprised to learn that, long ago, I was "pro-life." Anti-abortion, anti-choice, etc. I was actually more conservative three years ago than I am today.That incident was the pinnacle of my political realignment. Because I realized I would never, ever be able to make the best decision in such a situation, because I am not a woman and therefore I just don't know how to deal with such an earth-shattering decision.
Many of you know from other threads that I have tried to seek the best rationale behind why a fetus is not a fully developed human being. The best explanation I ever came up with was that a fetus has a parasitic relationship with the mother, and because the fetus is a part of the mother's body, that means she has total control over its fate until it is able to survive on its own. Is my opinion the best? No. Is it controversial? Of course. But that's how I understand it. That's how I justify abortion, on a moral standing.
I said I wouldn't get into it, and I don't plan on doing so any further... but I feel like I needed to say that... I know StorminNorman has a similar, if not more direct, story of his own...
It's about so much more than that. You could have been perfectly safe, there's always a chance, however small, that something will go wrong. Should you be punished for that? Risks come with everything in life, but that doesn't mean we have to avoid them, that would be impossible. And you can't blame people for taking those risks.
I've always been pro-choice, by the way, for pretty much the same arguments people have already made in this thread.
By the way, hi, I'm new here!
Personally I'd rather it stay a state's right.
here's my story and why I believe what I believe.
For myself and my wife we could never condone abortion. I'm 48 yrs old and my wife got pregnant when she was 19 soon after we married in 1980. We were in no shape financially but neither of us could think the unthinkable. The thought of it sickens me. But that's us.
As far as I'm concerned if a girl gets in trouble and it's early on I really don't have a huge problem with it because I believe in personal responsibility and if it's a sin then they will answer for it come judgment. My bible tells me not to judge.
The reason I take this position is very personal.
In 1976 I knew this family,the oldest son was my best friend and we hung out working on cars (both of us had 65 mustangs) that were ultra conservative and right wing.
Six kids,3 boys 3 girls. The girls were not allowed to wear pants. Every night it was family prayer hour and bible study when church wasn't going on.
Well as teenagers are want to do and as their hormones rage outta control they sometimes mess up.
She got into trouble. And she confided in me and a couple of her friends at school. She faced a terrible dilemma because she did not want to shame her family.
Long story short she died accidentally trying to make herself miscarry.
But people need to realize this is the kind of stuff that happens. Kids will not stop having sex. It's probably one of the most natural and primal urges we have. It's an inherent physiological trait that ensures survival of the species. And to demonize it and shame kids for having those urges and condemning them instead of reaching out to them and reassuring them is wrong and it's a sin and goes against everything I as a parent believe is right.
all actions have consequences. more unwanted or unneeded babies becoming a burden on the system is one of them. the govt should approach this pragmatically and not emotionally.
If we as a people decide that the girl down the street must be forced to deliver a kid then we share a responsibility to see to it that kid is given what it need to become a productive citizen.
I have a question about this, maybe anyone can answer. Like I said up there in my First Post, I don't talk about this. But, Is a child punishment? Is human life so utterly disgusting, that you would call human life a punishment?
Prison time, is punishment. 10 Slashes is punishment, detention is punishment, and suspension without pay is punishment. How is a child punishment?
I leave this thread now, but I would like to hear an answer on that.