Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[Carcharodon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ground

I'm not saying it applies to every situation, though, like that link implies. I'm speaking of the situation regarding climate change.

You know, the topic this thread is about.

 

[Carcharodon]

he got the peace prize for spreading the message not for being an authority. the debate that was over was a debate he was never part of. the only difference gore's made for me is that now i read you bringing up his name every gloabal warming/climate change thread, were as previously i didn't.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Holy geez. It was a 'small issue?'

He's a 'kingpin?'

And, wait. Who's telling their kid's that the planet's 'gonna blow up?'

Are YOU serious?

Dude...it's tongue-in-cheek.... geez......
But read this....


Kids Fear Global Warming More Than Terrorism, Car Crashes, and Cancer, According to National Earth Day Survey

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National Survey of Middle School Students Shows Kids Believe More Needs to be Done to Save the Planet NEW YORK, April 20 /PRNewswire/ -- While recent polls show thatAmerican adults are most concerned about the war in Iraq, terrorism, andhealthcare, a survey of more than 1,000 middle school students across thecountry found that kids fear global warming more than any of these issues.The survey was conducted by BrainPOP, a New York based educationalprovider. Some of the most intriguing findings from the BrainPOP global warmingsurvey include: --

Nearly 60 percent of children said they feared global warming and environmental disasters-such as hurricanes, tornados and flooding-more than terrorism, car crashes, and even cancer (22.3 percent feared terrorism most; 14.6 percent cancer; 5.9 percent car crashes).


-- Nearly one-third of children reported thinking about global warming a
lot and worrying about how the effects of global warming will change
the planet and directly impact their lives. Another 41.2 percent think
about it sometimes and say that they are somewhat worried.


Good Gravy! This guy's got our kids stressed out over this crap! And it's still debatable.

More than terrorism??? Are you kidding me?

Terrorism: Can die from this today.
Global Warming: Might die from this 100 years from today.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Excuse me? You know, if you want to wallow in ignorance, that's fine. Just don't go pointing fingers at the same time.

The fact of the matter is that this was a big deal before Gore came along among the scientific community. The only difference was the politicization and the popularization.

"Small issue among some?" This had been one of the most widely studied phenomenon among environmental scientists long before Gore came around.

The only people worried about this or even had it on their radar were the environmental nut jobs and Al Gore. This was not front page stuff and you know it. Gore made it vogue. It's cool to be "green". Celebs weren't even on this train until Gore sent it into orbit. Now it's the thing to be.

I expect scientists to be studying this issue anyway. but us regular shmoes didn't know and didn't care.

Now he's got our kids indoctrinated and scared.

 

[Gamma Ray]

My hybrid car has saved us all.

 

[Memphis Slim]

My hybrid car has saved us all.

We are forever in your debt.

 

[dolfan55aj]

I say we just let the world run it's course, I highly doubt we're going to be able to change global weather by buying a hybrid. The whole issue has been blown out of proportion in my opinion.

 

[Carcharodon]

The only people worried about this or even had it on their radar were the environmental nut jobs and Al Gore. This was not front page stuff and you know it. Gore made it vogue. It's cool to be "green". Celebs weren't even on this train until Gore sent it into orbit. Now it's the thing to be.

I expect scientists to be studying this issue anyway. but us regular shmoes didn't know and didn't care.

Now he's got our kids indoctrinated and scared.

I agree that it's been hyped, but it should still be a concern. Besides, what's wrong with being, "green?" Seriously?

Is it bad that it's in vogue? What the hell is the harm? I can only think of positive effects of a, "green," shift.

 

[Memphis Slim]

I agree that it's been hyped, but it should still be a concern. Besides, what's wrong with being, "green?" Seriously?

Is it bad that it's in vogue? What the hell is the harm? I can only think of positive effects of a, "green," shift.

Nothing. Be green if you want. But don't try to make everybody do it if they don't want to. This is where all of this is headed.

And don't scare the kids. I'm all for taking care of the planet. Hey it's my air too. But "Good Gravy"...... stop with the chicken little doomsday scenarios! This planet is doing fine.

 

[Superhobo]

Nothing. Be green if you want. But don't try to make everybody do it if they don't want to. This is where all of this is headed.

And don't scare the kids. I'm all for taking care of the planet. Hey it's my air too. But "Good Gravy"...... stop with the chicken little doomsday scenarios! This planet is doing fine.

 

[Hotwire]

It would be very egotistical of anyone to think that humans and their habits are not having an adverse effect on this planet. Even if global warming is not an immediate threat, it is something that our children, and their children (And I know how concerned you are about your liniage, Slim.) will have to deal with. And Slim, you are mostly right, the planet will be fine, it's the human race and a lot of other species that would be in trouble. Once we're gone, the planet would recover.

 

[Shoemeister]

I've always thought it was a big sham and I still do.

 

[jaguarr]

It would be very egotistical of anyone to think that humans and their habits are not having an adverse effect on this planet. Even if global warming is not an immediate threat, it is something that our children, and their children (And I know how concerned you are about your liniage, Slim.) will have to deal with. And Slim, you are mostly right, the planet will be fine, it's the human race and a lot of other species that would be in trouble. Once we're gone, the planet would recover.

jag

 

[Superhobo]

The following three are actually from the major pollutive cleanup going on in An-effing-arctica -

McMurdo Station, the main research and logistics base for U.S. Antarctic operations, has a summertime population of 2,000. Officials are working to clean up the base, which generates more than a ton of garbage per person every year, and discharges 66,000 gallons of raw sewage into the pristine Ross Sea every day.

Huh.

 

[Hotwire]

I've always thought it was a big sham and I still do.

When trying to figure out wether someone is lying to you or not, one of the first things to do is ask yourself, "What does this person have to gain from lying?" Now, who would stand to gain more, the envrionmentalists by getting us to go green, or big instustry by loosening regulations?

Oh, and thanks Jag.

 

[Danalys]

I say we just let the world run it's course, I highly doubt we're going to be able to change global weather by buying a hybrid. The whole issue has been blown out of proportion in my opinion.

hybrids are a bunch of rubbish. they do nothing but change where the polution is produced. they get worse milage over all because they have to lug around 2 engines.

 

[Memphis Slim]

For every photo of a garbage dump, I can show you a pristine forrest or lake. So stop with the silly photos. Everyone knows that pollution exists.

Yep...we're doing fine..........

 

[Danalys]

you just know there's a garbage dump just out of frame

 

[Superhobo]

For every photo of a garbage dump, I can show you a pristine forrest or lake. So stop with the silly photos. Everyone knows that pollution exists.

Yep...we're doing fine..........

You can bold in words all you want, friend. Doesn't change the truth, any. Here's some links, for anyone who'd like to verify my claims.

"Helping Hand for Antarctic Clean-Up," December 2007

Dive Antarctica's section on their efforts from 2006

The Australian government's own section on it.

(and here's the site where I got one of the other pics - I got it through Google, so I didn't know what it was before hand, but for verification's sake,)

The Children's News section of BBC World News, doing a story on it dating back to 2001.

 

[Warhammer]

I never saw "climate change" as a big deal. I just continue to do what I usually do. Use lights when I need them, drive when I need to, etc. I just do me, and I will continue to do me. Call it apathy. Call it ignorant. Call it what you want, but I'm also not going to be a hypocrite by saying how I worry so much about the situation, but still continue do what is causing the situation in the first place. Everything happens for a reason, and "climate change" is not going to affect my immediate future. I can't change everyone, so why must I bother to seek to do so?

 

[Obi-Ron]

If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and and make that change. Jam-O.

 

[Speedball]

What is that?!

 

[Superhobo]

What is that?!

The haul-in from a bottom trawling excursion.

 

[chaseter]

Wow Slim...denial will get you no where.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Wow Slim...denial will get you no where.

Denial over an issue that is still up for debate? See...this is the kind of mentality that seems so fanatical. There were all kinds of exagerations in Gore's movie. You'd think that would say to the logical mind...."Hey, don't swallow the rest of his information as gospel."

But because it's Al Gore (the wounded hero from the 2000 Election) you guys don't question anything.

I swear...if it was Bush's movie, none of you would be on board.