Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

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I side step any comments I deem not worth addressing. Like that one. :whatever: This earth will always have good spots and bad spots. Those photos just prove how big this planet is. Man is not destroying the planet. You give man too much credit. You under estimate the power and resiliency of this earth.

My children will be fine....as long as they don't listen you Gore-danians. :cwink:
There is one problem with your logic. Humans are breeding faster than they are dying. That means, it's only a matter of time before we move on to other areas. The guy who made the comment about the Sear's Tower. Just move up a floor? There are only so many floors. And it's probably not a good idea to destroy the rungs of a ladder on your way up.
 
There is one problem with your logic. Humans are breeding faster than they are dying. That means, it's only a matter of time before we move on to other areas. The guy who made the comment about the Sear's Tower. Just move up a floor? There are only so many floors. And it's probably not a good idea to destroy the rungs of a ladder on your way up.
Thats whay you go in the the elevator...........except for when someone pulls the fire alarm........:(
 
The guy who made the comment about the Sear's Tower. Just move up a floor? There are only so many floors. And it's probably not a good idea to destroy the rungs of a ladder on your way up.
Whatever, commie. For every picture of pollution you can show me, I can show you a beautiful, serene landscape as though that makes some sort of clever point. :cmad:

By the way: look up the word, "facetious." :up:
 
Whatever, commie. For every picture of pollution you can show me, I can show you a beautiful, serene landscape as though that makes some sort of clever point. :cmad:

By the way: look up the word, "facetious." :up:
Oh, you were joking. Here I thought you agreed with Slim, who seems to be OK with that policy.
 
Oh, you were joking. Here I thought you agreed with Slim, who seems to be OK with that policy.
I've told Slim about the negative side-effects of our pollution before, excluding climate change. All he could say basically amounted to, "I don't care, so long as I don't have to change or alter my life for the benefit of others."

So whatev.
 
I side step any comments I deem not worth addressing. Like that one. :whatever: This earth will always have good spots and bad spots. Those photos just prove how big this planet is. Man is not destroying the planet. You give man too much credit. You under estimate the power and resiliency of this earth.

My children will be fine....as long as they don't listen you Gore-danians. :cwink:
What about your grandchildren? Remember how you looked at your baby and thought about holding your grandchild? And what about their grandkids? See, if nothing is done, where will they live? Every day those pristine place you post pictures of get fewer and fewer in number. If you can't get your head around that, try a little home experiment. Just trash a room of your house, then another, and so on until they are all destroyed. Then what?
 
http://townhall.com/columnists/Bill..._about_global_warming?page=full&comments=true

"NASA says recent satellite images show that the allegedly endangered polar ice cap -- which will melt completely one of these summers and kill off all the polar bears if we don't slash our greedy carbon footprints and revert to the lifestyles of medieval peasants -- has recovered to near normal coverage levels...

..."[N]early 70 percent of the sites [used by NASA to measure US surface temps] fail to meet the government's own standards because they are not 100 feet from a building, are on blazing rooftops, sit next to air-conditioner exhaust fans, etc."


Good article. More at the link above.
 
http://townhall.com/columnists/Bill..._about_global_warming?page=full&comments=true

"NASA says recent satellite images show that the allegedly endangered polar ice cap -- which will melt completely one of these summers and kill off all the polar bears if we don't slash our greedy carbon footprints and revert to the lifestyles of medieval peasants -- has recovered to near normal coverage levels...

..."[N]early 70 percent of the sites [used by NASA to measure US surface temps] fail to meet the government's own standards because they are not 100 feet from a building, are on blazing rooftops, sit next to air-conditioner exhaust fans, etc."


Good article. More at the link above.
Well then. I guess we should all go about our normal lives then. No sense trying to clean up the planet with the ice returning and those evil reasearchers doing their tests wrong. I'm sure that the ever expanding human population, which of course leads to more polution, will never have any effect on the planet what so ever. :whatever:

I say again, it would be very egotistical of us to think that we are not having, nor ever will have, any ill effect on our planet.
 
Well then. I guess we should all go about our normal lives then. No sense trying to clean up the planet with the ice returning and those evil reasearchers doing their tests wrong. I'm sure that the ever expanding human population, which of course leads to more polution, will never have any effect on the planet what so ever. :whatever:

I say again, it would be very egotistical of us to think that we are not having, nor ever will have, any ill effect on our planet.

I'm glad that, from your response, you infer that I feel that we are not harming the environment and should do nothing to protect or preserve it. I never stated as such, but thanks for reading so much into things.

Jump to conclusions/messiah complex much?
 
haven't read every post in this thread, but hopefully nobody has asked or mentioned this yet. how much effect are the beef and pork industries having on the environment? i've heard that cows are doing more damage to the environment than fossil fuels, due to methane gas levels. wouldn't that fall under the category of humans effecting the environment since we're the ones farming and consuming these animals? yes, i could look this info up, but i'm extremely lazy.
 
I'm glad that, from your response, you infer that I feel that we are not harming the environment and should do nothing to protect or preserve it. I never stated as such, but thanks for reading so much into things.

Jump to conclusions/messiah complex much?
Only when they seem to be pretty obvious. What are your opinions on the issue? Do something, the planet needs our help? Or, do nothing, the planet is fine?
 
Only when they seem to be pretty obvious. What are your opinions on the issue? Do something, the planet needs our help? Or, do nothing, the planet is fine?

My opinions are scattered throughout the entirety of this thread.

There are things that we could and should do to prevent harming the environment and to attempt to preserve and restore parts of it. There are also those preaching doom-and-gloom scenarios above and beyond what is actually the case. These scenarios are often arrived at through incorrect science and models, as well as through outright lies and manipulation of facts. And most of these people who preach from on high look down upon us mere subjects and use our fears against us in order to promote a certain agenda. This agenda is making people very, very wealthy. This agenda is also promoting a global wealth-redistribution scheme.

I can't sum up my beliefs in a simple response. They have been very well laid out in several posts. If you would like deeper insight into my beliefs, I urge you to read these posts. My guess is you have no interest in my actual feelings on the subject.

I also urge you to not jump to conclusions so quickly. My original post to which you responded was simply documenting that the polar ice caps are returning, thicker and colder than before, and that many stations used to measure US surface temperatures did not meet minimum standards. You took that to mean that I thought we were not harming the environment (nor ever would). Perhaps you should respond to what is actually said, rather than responding to a statement that was never made but was, for some reason, inferred by you.
 
http://townhall.com/columnists/Bill..._about_global_warming?page=full&comments=true

"NASA says recent satellite images show that the allegedly endangered polar ice cap -- which will melt completely one of these summers and kill off all the polar bears if we don't slash our greedy carbon footprints and revert to the lifestyles of medieval peasants -- has recovered to near normal coverage levels...

..."[N]early 70 percent of the sites [used by NASA to measure US surface temps] fail to meet the government's own standards because they are not 100 feet from a building, are on blazing rooftops, sit next to air-conditioner exhaust fans, etc."


Good article. More at the link above.
Well, this is the logical outcome of the recent global temperature drop. Again, however, it signals no, "erasure," of prior warming.

For now, it's still a wait-and-see scenario. If this is, in fact, simply an anomalous cooling event and if we are still in a general warming trend, then the caps could very well still be in danger.

Too soon to call. =/
 
haven't read every post in this thread, but hopefully nobody has asked or mentioned this yet. how much effect are the beef and pork industries having on the environment? i've heard that cows are doing more damage to the environment than fossil fuels, due to methane gas levels. wouldn't that fall under the category of humans effecting the environment since we're the ones farming and consuming these animals? yes, i could look this info up, but i'm extremely lazy.
The basis for that is methane emission. Methane, it turns out, is a far more effective greenhouse gas than CO2.

However, the methane emissions from the livestock industry produce nowhere near the volume that CO2 emissions currently put out, and the effect of methane in general has, up until recently, been considered negligible.

HOWEVER, there is another major source of methane that has created cause for concern: methane hydrates, which are basically pockets of methane encapsulated in ice. These are one of the major sources of atmospheric methane now, and are causing levels of methane to increase pretty quickly.

I wouldn't say the livestock's contribution is negligible, but it certainly pales in comparison to other physical/geologic contributors.


P.S.: Buffalo is much better for the environment than cows for multiple reasons. It's healthier, too. :up:
 
The basis for that is methane emission. Methane, it turns out, is a far more effective greenhouse gas than CO2.

However, the methane emissions from the livestock industry produce nowhere near the volume that CO2 emissions currently put out, and the effect of methane in general has, up until recently, been considered negligible.

HOWEVER, there is another major source of methane that has created cause for concern: methane hydrates, which are basically pockets of methane encapsulated in ice. These are one of the major sources of atmospheric methane now, and are causing levels of methane to increase pretty quickly.

I wouldn't say the livestock's contribution is negligible, but it certainly pales in comparison to other physical/geologic contributors.


P.S.: Buffalo is much better for the environment than cows for multiple reasons. It's healthier, too. :up:

thanks.
 
An Inconvenient Verdict for Al Gore


British Court Ruling on Errors in 'An Inconvenient Truth' Resurrects Global Warming Debate

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The verdict couldn't have come at a less convenient time for Al Gore.
One day before Friday's announcement that he was a co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, a British High Court judge ruled that Gore's global warming film, "An Inconvenient Truth," while "broadly accurate," contained nine significant errors.

The ruling came on a challenge from a UK school official who did not want to show the film to students. High Court Judge Michael Burton said that the film is "substantially founded upon scientific research and fact" but that the errors were made in "the context of alarmism and exaggeration."
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Burton found that screening the film in British secondary schools violated laws barring the promotion of partisan political views in the classroom. But he allowed the film to be shown on the condition that it is accompanied by guidance notes to balance Gore's "one-sided" views, saying that the film's "apocalyptic vision" was not an impartial analysis of climate change.

The claim was originally filed by truck driver Stewart Dimmock, whose two children have not yet seen the film.

"I got finished watching the documentary and felt I had watched a science fiction film," he told ABC News' Joseph J. Simonetti. "The court ruled nine inaccuracies. How many more exist?"
Dimmock criticized the British government's use of the film in schools, saying, "It was about time someone got off their backside and say, 'Oh, you're wrong.'" Yet he admitted, "I'm not an expert on global warming, then or now. I'm just a lorry driver."

The ruling resurrected the heated debate over the film's arguments between Gore's supporters and climate change skeptics.
His spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said that Gore was "deeply gratified that the court upheld the fundamental thesis of the film" and "affirmed it as a valid educational tool."
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As for the errors, Kreider said, "Of the thousands of facts, the judge seemingly only took issue with a handful. We've got peer review studies that back up those facts. There were a couple of cases where we feel the film wasn't quoted accurately."

Climate change skeptics felt vindicated by the ruling.

"A lot of people have been criticizing the science in 'An Inconvenient Truth' but they've been dismissed as not credible or put forward by fronts for the oil industry," said Joseph Bast, the president of the Heartland Institute, which has spent more than $700,000 in recent months to place ads challenging Gore to a debate on climate change. "Now we have the British High Court identifying 11 specific errors. Some of the media articles squeezed three of those errors into one."
The British claim was not the first time that the film's use in schools has been criticized. Earlier this year, parents in Federal Way, Wash., complained to the local school board about plans to show the film in schools and eventually pressured it to impose a ban on screenings for two weeks.
Frosty E. Hardison, a computer consultant and evangelical Christian, was outraged when he learned that the film would be shown in his daughter's seventh-grade science class. He sent an e-mail to the school board, declaring, "No, you will not teach or show that propagandist Al Gore video to my child, blaming our nation -- the greatest nation ever to exist on this planet -- for global warming."
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1 Other parents in the community were just as outraged -- that the school board would even consider banning the film.


"The general consensus was that most people were upset for even questioning the issue of climate change as a serious scientific issue," said Chris Carrel, whose daughter's seventh-grade class was planning to see the film. "The superintendent did his review and reported back to the school board that most of the film was scientifically well-supported, but in areas of controversy, in terms of the proper policy response, the teachers needed to present different viewpoints."

Climate change skeptics wish that such a debate would take place. In addition to challenging Gore to a debate with Chris Horner, the author of "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming and Environmentalism" and a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, some critics have offered $125,000 to anyone who can prove global warming.

"We've received lots of inquiries but no serious entries so far," said Steven J. Milloy, who runs the Web site junkscience.com and started a mutual fund that seeks to counterbalance the work of so-called ethical investment funds.
 
wow, since the film about global warming is wrong, I guess if I find inconsistencies in the passion of the Christ, Christianity is a lie?
also, why focus on the movie soooo much, wonder why Celldog hates Gore enough for him to spend his internet time looking at reasons to hate gore.
maybe it's that deep inside he knows the election was stolen, and that Bush has been the single worst president in a long time.
maybe that's it.
 
My opinions are scattered throughout the entirety of this thread.

There are things that we could and should do to prevent harming the environment and to attempt to preserve and restore parts of it. There are also those preaching doom-and-gloom scenarios above and beyond what is actually the case. These scenarios are often arrived at through incorrect science and models, as well as through outright lies and manipulation of facts. And most of these people who preach from on high look down upon us mere subjects and use our fears against us in order to promote a certain agenda. This agenda is making people very, very wealthy. This agenda is also promoting a global wealth-redistribution scheme.

I can't sum up my beliefs in a simple response. They have been very well laid out in several posts. If you would like deeper insight into my beliefs, I urge you to read these posts. My guess is you have no interest in my actual feelings on the subject.

I also urge you to not jump to conclusions so quickly. My original post to which you responded was simply documenting that the polar ice caps are returning, thicker and colder than before, and that many stations used to measure US surface temperatures did not meet minimum standards. You took that to mean that I thought we were not harming the environment (nor ever would). Perhaps you should respond to what is actually said, rather than responding to a statement that was never made but was, for some reason, inferred by you.
Fair enough.
 
wow, since the film about global warming is wrong, I guess if I find inconsistencies in the passion of the Christ, Christianity is a lie?
also, why focus on the movie soooo much, wonder why Celldog hates Gore enough for him to spend his internet time looking at reasons to hate gore.
maybe it's that deep inside he knows the election was stolen, and that Bush has been the single worst president in a long time.
maybe that's it.


You just can't stay on topic, can you? :woot:
 
i think this is the first good news i read about global warming....ever
 
Slim,

So, you feel Gore and his crew lied in their movie to get the rest of America behind their cause, correct? They used fear mongering and the doom and gloom tactic to garner support? Is this about right?
 
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