Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

[sinewave]

Slim,

So, you feel Gore and his crew lied in their movie to get the rest of America behind their cause, correct? They used fear mongering and the doom and gloom tactic to garner support? Is this about right?

i wonder where this is going?

 

[Darthphere]

Anyone else read this thread title and wish Global Warming would actually kill Memphis Slim?

 

[Tron5000]

Anyone else read this thread title and wish Global Warming would actually kill Memphis Slim?

That's a bit overboard, don't you think?

And according to many people, it will, eventually. The waters will rise! The land will disappear! We'll have to create a new colony underwater! Oh, the horrors!

 

[Mr Sparkle]

You just can't stay on topic, can you? t:

global warming is the topic.
if global warming was solely supported by Al Gore's film, well then, yes, this would be devastating.
but it's not, and it's not new science.
so, I just can't see the wisdom in destroying a planet and claiming "no big deal, she'll heal!" but, then, I seldom see wisdom in your posts.

 

[Tron5000]

I'm just hoping some crazy folks don't blow us all up with nuclear weapons. I'm willing to ride this Global Warming thing out.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

the thing is, we shouldn't ignore the damage we're doing, and the fact that in the long run, we'll probably be unable to "ride things out".

 

[Hotwire]

the thing is, we shouldn't ignore the damage we're doing, and the fact that in the long run, we'll probably be unable to "ride things out".

QFT

 

[Tron5000]

the thing is, we shouldn't ignore the damage we're doing, and the fact that in the long run, we'll probably be unable to "ride things out".

I disagree. Human life will cease to exist when we blow ourselves up, or a meteor hits the planet and blocks out the sun (killing plant- and animal-life alike), or the plates will shift and several supervolcanoes will erupt, covering the earth (including the sky) in ash, fire and soot. I see one of these disasters occurring far sooner than humans physically changing the environment to the point where Earth can no longer sustain human life. Just my personal beliefs, but I feel pretty good about that prediction.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Anyone else read this thread title and wish Global Warming would actually kill Memphis Slim?

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

I'm sorry Slim but I can't take what you say seriously as it seems that you are trying to take peices of a argument and tie them together to look like proof.

Global warming in and of itself is about the kind of detriment we have had and will have to our planet. The temperature will flux acordingly to the earth trying to stabalize itself. The reason why people like Al Gore are speaking out so loudly is because they understand that one way or another the polutions levels we have created will destroy us in one of several ways,

1. Many contents could be flooded an millions could die because of dramatic changes in the temperature.

2. The weather could become so unpredictable that lack of preperation could cause millions of deaths.

3. We could face another global Ice Age due to the planet attempting to balance itself out.

Just because some of the Ice caps have become cold and thick doesn't disprove years of science, in fact it only helps to show that these kind of dramatic changes are already occuring.

 

[Hush]

Its cold outside therefore with my deductive reasoning i will make a statement that it is not Globally Warm.

 

[daniPHANTOM]

The other day I was at school and I was told I was a moron because even though I didn't have an opinion on global warming, I never had a reason not to believe it was "real". But I'm not sure its "normal" for the weather going from 10 degrees to 62 degrees to 22 degrees.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Its cold outside therefore with my deductive reasoning i will make a statement that it is not Globally Warm.

Lol.

The other day I was at school and I was told I was a moron because even though I didn't have an opinion on global warming, I never had a reason not to believe it was "real". But I'm not sure its "normal" for the weather going from 10 degrees to 62 degrees to 22 degrees.

That has never been considered normal for any place other than those that go days or months without ever seeing sunlight such as certain places in Alaska and the North and South Poles. Dramatic temperature changes on a regular basis are NOT normal, they are the effect of something else.

 

[Carcharodon]

Dramatic temperature changes on a regular basis are NOT normal, they are the effect of something else.

Actually, deserts are known for this.

...to an extent, however, I'd agree with you.

 

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Actually, deserts are known for this.

...to an extent, however, I'd agree with you.

Well thats what I'm saying, aside from places that have an obvious Logical and scientific reason for a constant flux, places that have been stable for many years are obviously feeling part of a much larger change.

 

[daniPHANTOM]

Well. Um. I live in Ohio? lol Not in a desert or in Alaska.

 

[Carcharodon]

Well. Um. I live in Ohio? lol Not in a desert or in Alaska.

I wasn't really trying to make a point, it was just a nitpick.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

It really doesn't matter. Human kind will never bond together for one cause unless something extremely dramatic happens. Like 10-50% of the population dying off or being threatened of dying off quickly and abruptly.

Major corporations control this world and will as long as money is the ultimate resource and priority to the major modern societies of this planet. It is sad but true, Gas, clothing, food, learning and other major institutions make far too much money for them to really try and make a major push to change things while we are alive.

Not only that but all of these major corporations are in far too many politicians pockets with money donated and favors done for them for any one politician with any real passion about making change to achieve it.

 

[Tron5000]

The people (and corporations) pushing for "change" stand to make obscene amounts of money by peddling the doom-and-gloom scenarios associated with global warming. Grants, tax breaks, carbon-trading...all making people very, very wealthy.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

The people (and corporations) pushing for "change" stand to make obscene amounts of money by peddling the doom-and-gloom scenarios associated with global warming. Grants, tax breaks, carbon-trading...all making people very, very wealthy.

I am sure they do, which would be the only reason they would change anything.

 

[Carcharodon]

The people (and corporations) pushing for "change" stand to make obscene amounts of money by peddling the doom-and-gloom scenarios associated with global warming. Grants, tax breaks, carbon-trading...all making people very, very wealthy.

I'm sorry, but so what?

If it turns out that climate change is a legitimate problem that is anthropogenic (even in part), and these people cause a change for the better, who the hell cares that they got rich off of it? Why is that even an issue? Hell, more power to them.

 

[Tron5000]

I'm sorry, but so what?

If it turns out that climate change is a legitimate problem that is anthropogenic (even in part), and these people cause a change for the better, who the hell cares that they got rich off of it? Why is that even an issue? Hell, more power to them.

I don't care if someone gets rich off of this. People get rich off everything: developing new medicines, selling homes, providing energy...A free market economy thrives only when people are prospering financially.

My issue is (and we don't need to go into my thoughts on AGW...well-documented here) that I believe that this is actually fueling much of the hysteria. I believe this agenda is being set forth because people stand to get very rich off of it, not because of some desire to combat AGW in order to save the planet. I believe that people use incorrect science, faulty models, and end-of-the-world rhetoric to get rich. I think we're all being scammed. That's it.

 

[Carcharodon]

I don't care if someone gets rich off of this. People get rich off everything: developing new medicines, selling homes, providing energy...A free market economy thrives only when people are prospering financially.

My issue is (and we don't need to go into my thoughts on AGW...well-documented here) that I believe that this is actually fueling much of the hysteria. I believe this agenda is being set forth because people stand to get very rich off of it, not because of some desire to combat AGW in order to save the planet. I believe that people use incorrect science, faulty models, and end-of-the-world rhetoric to get rich. I think we're all being scammed. That's it.

While I agree with the idea that there may be some extra hype being thrown in there by people who probably will see financial gains from the whole scenario, I disagree with the notion that somehow that makes the whole thing a scam.

I do see what you're saying, though.

 

[Tron5000]

While I agree with the idea that there may be some extra hype being thrown in there by people who probably will see financial gains from the whole scenario, I disagree with the notion that somehow that makes the whole thing a scam.

I do see what you're saying, though.

No, that doesn't MEAN it's a scam. That is just my personal belief.

 

[Carcharodon]

No, that doesn't MEAN it's a scam. That is just my personal belief.

Lies.