Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

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Kritish said:
What are the neo-cons going to say when the ocean levels raise two-hundred feet?
LOL it's not going to be THAT bad. I read it would be, on average, something like 2-3 feet globally. However, that's still enough to flood vast tracts of land.
 
Halcohol said:
LOL it's not going to be THAT bad. I read it would be, on average, something like 2-3 feet globally. However, that's still enough to flood vast tracts of land.

It would if Anartica's ice melted.
 
MONTREAL (AFP) - An enormous ice shelf broke away from Ellesmere Island in the Canadian Arctic last year, researchers said, warning it could be another symptom of global warming.
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The 66-square-kilometer (25.5-square-mile) ice island tore away from Ellesmere, a huge strip of land in the Canadian Arctic close to Greenland.
The break occurred in August 2005 and was so violent that it caused tremors that were detected by Canadian seismographs 250 kilometers (155 miles) away, but at the time no one was able to pinpoint what had happened.

The Canadian Ice Service contacted geographer Luke Copland of the University of Ottawa, who reconstructed the chain of events by piecing together data from the seismic readings and satellite images provided by Canada and the United States.

"This loss is the biggest in 25 years, but it continues the loss that occurred within the last century," Copland told AFP, saying 90 percent of the the ice cover had been lost since the area was discovered in 1906.
"What is important and interesting is that it is sudden, quite large even," he said.

"In the past, we looked to climate change (and) thought perhaps ice shelves ... would just melt apart by losing a little piece day by day, but it now seems that when you reach some kind of threshold, when you reach that level, the whole thing just breaks apart."

Following the discovery, biologist Warwick Vincent of Laval University in Quebec, visited the icy waters of the Arctic to view the "new island."
Vincent said he had seen nothing like it in the past decade. "It really is incredible," Vincent was quoted as saying by the newspaper National Post.

"People talk of endangered animals -- well, these are endangered landscape features, and we are losing them," he said.
Louis Fortier, scientific director of ArcticNet, a Canadian Artic research network, said the massive breakoff signaled a rise in Arctic warming.

"This Ellesmere ice shelf was sheltering unique ecosystems on the planet; there are freshwater lakes which were forming above and under the ice shelf," Fortier told AFP.

"The breakup of the ice cover on Ellesmere Island has been going on for 12,000 years, but it seems to have accelerated in recent years which is another indicator, among many others, of warming of the entire Arctic cryosphere," he said, referring to low-temperature elements of weather such as ice and snow. Canada conducts land, sea and aerial observations of the Arctic ice surface, but often these studies target certain areas and ignore vast, uninhabited areas, the environment ministry says, making satellite images crucial. The sudden formation of a "new island" in the Arctic "is a symptom among a cluster of symptoms of global warming, the most important evidently being the spectacular redcution in the extent and thickness of the Arctic ice field," Fortier said.

In an article published in December, Canadian and US researchers predicted that by 2040 Arctic Ocean ice will nearly disappear in the summer off the north coast of Greenland and Canada, opening a maritime corridor that would reduce shipping time between Europe and Asia.

Ok now how come only a couple thousand people are only trying to prevent Global Warming and your average everyday person could care less? We really need to do something about this fast.
 
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September 22, 2003
Largest Arctic Ice Shelf Breaks Up, Draining Freshwater Lake The largest ice shelf in the Arctic has broken, and scientists who have studied it closely say it is evidence of ongoing and accelerated climate change in the north polar region. The Ward Hunt Ice Shelf is located on the north coast of Ellesmere Island in Canada's Nunavut territory and its northernmost national park. This ancient feature of thick ice floating on the sea began forming some 4,500 years ago and has been in place for at least 3,000 years.
Warwick Vincent and Derek Mueller of Laval University in Quebec City, Quebec, and Martin Jeffries of the University of Alaska Fairbanks have studied the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf on site and through RADARSAT imagery and helicopter overflights. They report in the journal Geophysical Research Letters that a three decade long decline in the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf culminated in its sudden break-up between 2000 and 2002. It fragmented into two main parts with many additional fissures. It also calved a number of ice islands, some of which are large enough to pose a danger to shipping and to drilling platforms in the Beaufort Sea.
An immediate consequence of the ice shelf's rupture was the loss of almost all of the freshwater from the northern hemisphere's largest epishelf lake, which had been dammed behind it in 30 kilometer [20 mile] long Disraeli Fiord. An epishelf lake is a body of mostly freshwater trapped behind an ice shelf. The freshwater layer in the Disraeli Fiord measured 43 meters [140 feet] in depth and lay atop 360 meters [1,200 feet] of denser ocean water. The loss of fresh and brackish water has affected a previously reported unique biological community, consisting of both freshwater and marine species of plankton. The breakup of the ice shelf has also reduced the habitat available for cold-tolerant communities of microscopic animals and algae that live on the upper ice surface.
A century ago, the entire northern coast of Ellesmere Island, the northernmost land mass of North America, was fringed with a continuous ice shelf, as explorer Robert E. Peary reported in 1907. About 90 percent of the ice area had been lost, through calving from its northern edge, by 1982, the authors say. Since then, the remnant ice shelves, including Ward Hunt, had remained relatively stable until April 2000, when RADARSAT's synthetic aperture radar revealed the first sign of cracking. Subsequent imagery showed the crack extending in length, and in 2002, observations from a helicopter showed that the fracture now extended fully from the fiord to the open ocean, breaking the ice shelf into two major parts and many smaller ones.
In July and August 2002, Vincent's team landed on the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf to make direct measurements of its break-up. They found cracks that separated the central part of the shelf into free floating ice blocks. These were held in place by parts of the ice shelf that remained intact. Then, in August 2002, the northern edge of the ice shelf calved, resulting in the loss of six square kilometers [two square miles] of ice islands and 20 square kilometers [eight square miles] of thick multi-year sea ice attached to the ice shelf. The remaining ice shelf may only be about half the thickness previously reported, the researchers say.
The scientists note that in the West Antarctic, atmospheric warming has been cited as the cause for ice shelf collapses. There, temperatures have risen by about one-half of a degree Celsius [one degree Fahrenheit] per decade over the past 60 years. On northern Ellesmere Island, the longest temperature records have been maintained at Alert, 175 kilometers [109 miles] to the east of Disraeli Fiord.
At Alert, a temperature increase of just one-tenth of a degree Celsius [one-fifth of a degree Fahrenheit] per decade has been observed since 1951. But during the period 1967 to the present, the temperature increase has been about four times that rate, about equal to that of Antarctica. The actual temperature on the ice shelf was measured in 2001 and 2002 and correlated with the Alert data, in order to project backwards the ice shelf temperature. This yielded an average July surface temperature of 1.3 degrees Celsius [34 degrees Fahrenheit] for the years 1967-2002, which is well above the zero degrees Celsius [32 degrees Fahrenheit] that is considered the critical threshold for ice shelf breakup in Antarctica, according to the researchers.
Mueller, Vincent, and Jeffries attribute the disintegration of the Ellesmere Ice Shelf and the breakup of the Ward Hunt Ice Shelf to the cumulative effects of long-term warming since the 19th century. The precise timing and pattern of fracturing of the climate-weakened ice shelf may have been influenced by freeze- thaw cycles, wind, and tides, they say. Other factors may include changes in Arctic Ocean temperature, salinity, and flow patterns, they add.
The research was supported by Canada's Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council; Polar Continental Shelf Project, Parks Canada; NASA; and the Geophysical Institute and Alaska Satellite Facility, University of Alaska Fairbanks.
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And??? :whatever:
 
Considering ice is getting thicker in other parts of the ice caps. There is nothing that shows this is nothing more than a reshaping of these artic bodies.
 
we get a lot of global warmingy threads around these parts don't we?
 
The Apocalypse said:
Ok now how come only a couple thousand people are only trying to prevent Global Warming and your average everyday person could care less?

the same reason only a couple thousand people are trying to stop world hunger or help the homeless.
 
Good. I hate the cold. The world needs to become a warmer place. Am I right? Am I right? Can I get a amen?
 
Fred_Fury said:
Good. I hate the cold. The world needs to become a warmer place. Am I right? Am I right? Can I get a amen?
Amen


*Starts spraying hairspray needlessly into the air to increase greenhouse gasses*
 
I'll gladly have some. Now where did I leave that virgin, incense, and knife?
 
Addendum said:
I'll gladly have some. Now where did I leave that virgin, incense, and knife?
Have you looked behind the Sofa?
I always loose things there.
 
The real question is... what would you put in a 25 square mile shelf?
 
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