Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

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Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist.

Never forget that. Al Gore is a politician. Politician's lie. I mean he did claim to invent the internet. If he were so sure of his claims why did he go on Oprah to present them. Oprah tends to be a tad liberal. If Former V.P. Gore were so certian why not on The O'Reily Factor or Hannity & Clones. There was only two minutes of rebuttal from The Skepticks Guide to An Inconvienent Truth.

So, as Al Gore plainly put it--would you rather have money or the world? Who will you serve: Earth or Benjamin?

Money pays my bills. The earth sadly does not.
 
What are the neo-cons going to say when the ocean levels raise two-hundred feet?

That Bin Laden planned it and everyone who said it was going to happen was supporting him. And that they got a memo, "Oceans determined to rise in several years".
 
Is Global Warming REAL? It was 70 ****ing degrees in New York City this past weekend. OF COURSE ITS REAL!!!

I'm not saying Al Gore is absolutely right. Haven't seen his documentay yet.(Why ruin my holiday season by feeling depressed?) But there should be no question that global warming exists.
 
This is actually our first winter here in Holland without a fullday below zero.
I still get stung by mosquitos and yesterday I noticed a
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Next I'll be seeing some flamingos flying around my home, it's real I'm sure...
 
ScottyBBadd said:
Never forget that. Al Gore is a politician.

There are people in the world that CAN be 2 things at the same time. I'm not saying Al Gore is nearly as great as this man was but DaVinci wasn't just an artist nor just a scientist...he was both...and MORE. Gore might be a politician but he's one of the most noble ones out there right now. Incovenient Truth wasn't even his idea...but he went along with it because he knew it'd get the word out.

ScottyBBadd said:
I mean he did claim to invent the internet.
he never claimed to have invented the internet. just like everything else...his words were obscured. here's his whole statement...

"During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

if you take that out of context it sounds like he was trying to say that he created the internet. he should've worded it differently. he should've said "i took the initiative in the creation of the internet."
 
right now all we can do is try to educate people by spreading the word. sometimes slapping people over the head is required but all we CAN do is do what you can with what you know. that's all us normal folk can do...just educate the uneducated.

and i don't mean just preach, i mean read up on it...educate YOURSELF so that way if they ask you a hard question you're not stuck answering "um...i dunno."

That is NOT "all we can do". Some of these do require money to do, but are worth the effort.

1. Whenever possible, walk or take a bicycle instead of using a car.
2. Put better insulation in your house, upgrade your windows to, fix the weather stripping around your doors, remember to caulk around windows and doors on a yearly basis.
3. Buy energy efficient appliances, if your fridge is over 10 years old, replace it.
4. Install Photovalic cells (solar panels) or Wind Turbines on your roof (generate some of your own electricity).
5. Don't litter, if possible, clean up litter when you see it.
6. Recycle - my hubby still tosses paper and plastic into the garbage, I have to put on my rubber gloves, fish it out and put it in the recycling container.
7. Use cloth bags instead of taking the paper/plastic bags while shopping. (I only take the plastic bags for meat products, to avoid bacteria)
8. VOTE for the politicians that promise to do the most for the environment and are most likely to deliver on their promises
9. Instead of buying gift wrapping paper, buy the gift bags and reuse the ones you get. (If you're good at sewing, you can sew some gift bags for your gifts)
10. If you can afford it, switch to Electrical/Hybrid vehicles. If not, choose gas that is more environmentally friendly. Example: Sunoco is the gas in Ontario that contains the least amount of sulphur.

I know I've left a lot out, but remember:

REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE!!!
 
CNN.com said:

'Smoking gun' report to say global warming here


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Human-caused global warming is here -- visible in the air, water and melting ice -- and is destined to get much worse in the future, an authoritative global scientific report will warn next week.

"The smoking gun is definitely lying on the table as we speak," said top U.S. climate scientist Jerry Mahlman, who reviewed all 1,600 pages of the first segment of a giant four-part report. "The evidence ... is compelling."

Andrew Weaver, a Canadian climate scientist and study co-author, went even further: "This isn't a smoking gun; climate is a batallion of intergalactic smoking missiles."

The first phase of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is being released in Paris next week.

This segment, written by more than 600 scientists and reviewed by another 600 experts and edited by bureaucrats from 154 countries, includes "a significantly expanded discussion of observation on the climate," said co-chair Susan Solomon a senior scientist for the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

She and other scientists held a telephone briefing on the report Monday.

That report will feature an "explosion of new data" on observations of current global warming, Solomon said.

Solomon and others wouldn't go into specifics about what the report says.

They said that the 12-page summary for policymakers will be edited in secret word-by-word by governments officials for several days next week and released to the public on February 2. The rest of that first report from scientists will come out months later.

The full report will be issued in four phases over the year, as was the case with the last IPCC report, issued in 2001.

Global warming is "happening now, it's very obvious," said Mahlman, a former director of NOAA's Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Lab. "When you look at the temperature of the Earth, it's pretty much a no-brainer."

Look for an "iconic statement" -- a simple but strong and unequivocal summary -- on how global warming is now occurring, said one of the authors, Kevin Trenberth, director of climate analysis at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, also in Boulder.

The February report will have "much stronger evidence now of human actions on the change in climate that's taken place," Rajendra K. Pachauri told the AP in November. Pachauri, an Indian climatologist, is the head of the international climate change panel.

An early version of the ever-changing draft report said "observations of coherent warming in the global atmosphere, in the ocean, and in snow and ice now provide stronger joint evidence of warming."

And the early draft adds: "An increasing body of evidence suggests a discernible human influence on other aspects of climate including sea ice, heat waves and other extremes, circulation, storm tracks and precipitation."

The world's global average temperature has risen about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit from 1901 to 2005. The two warmest years on record for the world were 2005 and 1998. Last year was the hottest year on record for the United States.

The report will draw on already published peer-review science. Some recent scientific studies show that temperatures are the hottest in thousands of years, especially during the last 30 years; ice sheets in Greenland in the past couple years have shown a dramatic melting; and sea levels are rising and doing so at a faster rate in the past decade.

Also, the second part of the international climate panel's report -- to be released in April -- will for the first time feature a blockbuster chapter on how global warming is already changing health, species, engineering and food production, said NASA scientist Cynthia Rosenzweig, author of that chapter.

As confident as scientists are about the global warming effects that they've already documented, they are as gloomy about the future and even hotter weather and higher sea level rises.

Predictions for the future of global warming in the report are based on 19 computer models, about twice as many as in the past, Solomon said.

In 2001, the panel said the world's average temperature would increase somewhere between 2.5 and 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit and the sea level would rise between 4 inches and 35 inches by the year 2100. The 2007 report will likely have a smaller range of numbers for both predictions, Pachauri and other scientists said.

The future is bleak, scientists said.

"We have barely started down this path," said chapter co-author Richard Alley of Penn State University.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/23/climate.report.ap/index.html
 
So... how many reports, exactly, does the American government need to see before it finally gets it?
 
they get it, but the greed of their buddies, big oil, take precendence over everything else.
 
Its all a conspiraacy I tell you! Global Warmings not real, its a myth started by Penguins!
 
Bill Gates charity donations goes into big corporation where they send billions of toxins into the air, creating more problems for the neighboring residence, rather than solutions.

Bill Gates is a f**king dumbass. I never knew this, until I read the Sunday Times. :down
 
So... how many reports, exactly, does the American government need to see before it finally gets it?

Im one of those who say that if Global Warming does happen,then most of the blame should be placed on the Americans.Why?Because they consume and expell more carbon dioxide than any other nation on earth.
 
oh...and i suppose you expect us to believe that really don't tapdance either! the nerve of some of you people! :woot:

LOL, If anything I think that film proved to us all that there is no global warming, or overfishing of the seas.
If there were than we would no doubt have seen at least SOME penguins dancing about it. Case Solved.
 
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, said he and the top Republican on his oversight committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, have sought documents from the administration on climate policy, but repeatedly been rebuffed.

"The committee isn't trying to obtain state secrets or documents that could affect our immediate national security," said Waxman, opening the hearing. "We are simply seeking answers to whether the White House's political staff is inappropriately censoring impartial government scientists."

"We know that the White House possesses documents that contain evidence of an attempt by senior administration officials to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming and minimize the potential danger," Waxman said.

Administration officials were not scheduled to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. In the past the White House has said it has only sought to inject balance into reports on climate change. Present Bush has acknowledged concerns about global warming, but strongly opposes mandatory caps of greenhouse gas emissions, arguing that approach would be too costly.

Waxman said his committee had not received documents it requested from the White House and other agencies, and that a handful of papers received on the eve of the hearing "add nothing to our inquiry."

Two private advocacy groups, meanwhile, presented to the panel a survey of government climate scientists showing that many of them say they have been subjected to political pressure aimed at downplaying the threat of global warming.

Survey: Scientists pressured to downplay threat
The groups presented a survey that shows two in five of the 279 climate scientists who responded to a questionnaire complained that some of their scientific papers had been edited in a way that changed their meaning. Nearly half of the 279 said in response to another question that at some point they had been told to delete reference to "global warming" or "climate change" from a report.

The questionnaire was sent by the Union of Concerned Scientists, a private advocacy group. The report also was based on "firsthand experiences" described in interviews with the Government Accountability Project, which helps government whistleblowers, lawmakers were told.

At the same time, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, sought to gauge her colleague's sentiment on climate change. She opened a meeting where senators were to express their views on global warming in advance of a broader set of hearings on the issue.

Among those scheduled to make comments were two presidential hopefuls -- Sens. John McCain, R-Arizona, and Barack Obama, D-Illinois. Both lawmakers favor mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, something opposed by President Bush, who argues such requirements would threaten economic growth. (Watch why the president has proposed his own global warming initiative )

U.N. climate change report expected soon
The intense interest about climate change comes as some 500 climate scientists gather in Paris this week to put the final touches on a United Nations report on how warming, as a result of a growing concentration of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, is likely to affect sea levels. (Watch how global warming my be changing Asia' climate )

They agree sea levels will rise, but not on how much. Whatever the report says when it comes out at week's end, it is likely to influence the climate debate in Congress.

At the Waxman hearing, the two advocacy groups said their research -- based on the questionnaires, interviews and documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act -- revealed "evidence of widespread interference in climate science in federal agencies."

The groups report described largely anonymous claims by scientists that their findings at times at been misrepresented, that they had been pressured to change findings and had been restricted on what they were allowed to say publicly.

The survey involved scientists across the government from NASA and the Environmental Protection Agency to the department's of Agriculture, Energy, Commerce, Defense and Interior. In all the government employees more than 2,000 scientists who spend at least some of their time on climate issues, the report said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/30/congress.climate.ap/index.html


Does this surprise anyone? I mean they lied about Iraq, Why not lie about this as well.

What kills me is that there are still people out there who think global warming is the lie.:whatever: Then again, Most of these people who think that are the same people who drank the kool-aid when Bush said we needed to go into Iraq over WMDs.:whatever:
 
Wow. I really wish Bush would spend less time going over scientists reports and editing them to fit his view and more time on real issues like Iraq. But you have to give it to him when it comes to time management. Where does he find the time???
 
why do so many conservatives and neo-cons suppress the truth? because it infringes on their greed and antiquated belief system.
 
i was careful to say "so many", not all. that's just the way i see it.
 
:p My bad. I wasn't for sure if I was in the 'many' of the empire of evil known as republicans. :p
 
you're one of the good ones. ;)

i consider you to be more of a moderate than a hard-right conservative.
 
what next? bush officials mislead public on the iraq war??
 
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