Discussion: Global Warming and Other Environmental Issues

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okay that last one was a tina fey quote. (joke)

No. She literally said that she can see Russia from Alaska when asked about her foreign policy credentials, and the McCain campaign used that line since the day she became the VP candidate to discuss her foreign policy "experience."
 
I have to read his posts three or four times before I understand what he's saying. And the poor capitalization and punctuation only makes matters worse.

I did not realize that we were in speech class again or professional writing class for that matter.
 
No. She literally said that she can see Russia from Alaska when asked about her foreign policy credentials, and the McCain campaign used that line since the day she became the VP candidate to discuss her foreign policy "experience."

Thus i added the word "joke" at the end of that post. Gotcha.
 
I did not realize that we were in speech class again or professional writing class for that matter.

No, we aren't. However, if you want to be treated with respect, you need to learn how to formulate your opinions in a manner which are both comprehensible and intelligible.

And for me, that includes proper spelling and punctuation.
 
No, we aren't. However, if you want to be treated with respect, you need to learn how to formulate your opinions in a manner which are both comprehensible and intelligible.

And for me, that includes proper spelling and punctuation.

Just for you, Jman, I will attempt to use correct punctuation and proper spelling.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5689165&page=1

There are more if you just Google it. I don't know how accurate it is to say that she's okay with HUNTING the bears, but that would certainly be facilitated by the removal of their protected status. Her concern lies with Alaskan industries such as fisheries and oil drilling. It's not that much of a stretch to assume she would be fine with hunting them, however, given her affection for hunting....with high-powered rifles out of helicopters.
So, you have to use your own political biases to assume she would be fine with Hunting polar Bears. You don't know if she has ever said she wants to, you just assume, therefore you are right, Correct?
 
So, you have to use your own political biases to assume she would be fine with Hunting polar Bears. You don't know if she has ever said she wants to, you just assume, therefore you are right, Correct?
I never said she wants to. That was jmanspice. You asked for a source concerning her stance on polar bears, and I gave you the best thing I could find.

Either learn to read or get your **** straight. I said I don't know how accurate it is to make that assumption.
 
It's getting alittle hot in here.......:hehe:
 
*Bump*

I figured since there's been talk about climate change and pollution in another thread lately, maybe the resurrection of this thread is appropriate.

Rock on.
 
Any good jobs in environmentalism? I have a bachelors, but its not science related.


I'm guessing that doesnt help me much. :o
 
You can get jobs doing sampling and field work with certain low-level degrees, maybe even associate's degrees in the field. You won't make much, but you'll certainly get out of the house!
 
Grad school, oy....


Well Demo, how bad do you want it?
 
CALIFORNIA SUES BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO SAVE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/31/california-sues-bush-admi_n_154443.html

California is suing the Bush administration to block last-minute endangered species regulations that are intended to reduce input from federal scientists, state Attorney General Jerry Brown announced Tuesday.

Brown said the president is trying to gut the Endangered Species Act before he leaves office next month.

"Unfortunately, the Bush administration has had an antipathy to using sound science," Brown said in a phone interview with The Associated Press. "This is the latest assault as Bush goes out the door. It's intolerable."

The lawsuit was filed late Monday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco.
The Interior Department issued the revised rules this month. They allow federal agencies to issue permits for mining, logging and similar activities without getting a review from federal wildlife biologists if their own research shows the project will not affect plants and animals.

The changes also block agencies from using the Endangered Species Act to consider the effects of greenhouse gas emissions on ecosystems when reviewing projects such as new roads or coal plants on federal land.
Interior Department spokeswoman Tina Kreisher said the revised rules will continue to protect threatened and endangered species and noted that the law says federal agencies will ensure no listed animals are killed.

The lawsuit also names the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the U.S. Department of Commerce and the National Marine Fisheries Service as defendants.
 
NEW EU FIGUREHEAD BELIEVES 'CLIMATE CHANGE IS MYTH'
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5430362.ece

The European Union's new figurehead believes that climate change is a dangerous myth and has compared the union to a Communist state.
The views of President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic, 67, have left the government of Mirek Topolanek, his bitter opponent, determined to keep him as far away as possible from the EU presidency, which it took over from France yesterday.

The Czech president, who caused a diplomatic incident by dining with opponents of the EU’s Lisbon treaty on a recent visit to Ireland, has a largely ceremonial role.

But there are already fears that, after the dynamic EU presidency of Nicolas Sarkozy - including his hyper-active attempts at international diplomacy over the credit crisis and Georgia as well as an historic agreement to cut greenhouse gases - the Czech effort will be mired in infighting and overshadowed by the platform it will give to Mr Klaus and his controversial views.

This certainly doesn't help matters.
 
Nice to know that Europe has reactionaries too. :dry:
 
"Ya got people like this around you? The country's full of 'em now. People walkin' around all day long, every minute of the day, worried about everything. Worried about the air, worried about the water, worried about the soil. Worried about insecticides, pesticides, food additives, carcinogens, worried about radon gas, worried about asbestos, worried about saving endangered species. Let me tell ya about endangered species, alright? Saving endangered species is just one more arrogant attempt by humans to control nature. It's arrogant meddling, it's what got us in trouble in the first place. Doesn't anybody understand that? Interfering with nature. Over 90%, over, WAY over, 90% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet, EVER lived, are gone. WHISHT! They're extinct. We didn't kill them all. They just disappeared. That's what nature does. They disappear these days at the rate of 25 a day, and I mean regardless of our behaviour. Irrespective of how we act on this planet, 25 species that were here today will be gone tomorrow. Let them go gracefully. Leave nature alone. Haven't we done enough? We're so self-important, so self-important. Everybody's gotta save somethin' now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all, save the planet. What? Are these f***ing people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the f***in' planet? I'm gettin' tired of that s***, tired of that s***, tired. I'm tired of f***in' Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois, liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People tryin' to make the world safe for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a s*** about the planet, they don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't, not in the abstract they don't. Ya know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened, self-interest doesn't impress me. Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are f***ed. Difference. Difference. The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doin' great. Been here 4 and a half billion years. Did ya ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here 4 and a half billion years. We've been here what? A hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand. And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus 4 and a half billion. And we have the conceit to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun? The planet has been through a lot worse than us, been through all kindsa things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sunspots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles, hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring Ice Ages, and we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn't goin' anywhere. WE are. We're goin' away. Pack your s***, folks. We're goin' away. And we won't leave much of a trace either, thank God for that. Maybe a little Styrofoam, maybe. A little Styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance. If ya wanna know how the planet's doin', ask those people at Pompeii who are frozen into position from volcanic ash how the planet's doin'. Wanna know if the planet's alright, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places, buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. How about those people in Kīlauea, Hawaii, who build their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room. The planet will be here for a long, long, LOOOOOOONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, cos that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the Earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm, the Earth + plastic. The Earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the Earth. The Earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the Earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place, it wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old philosophical question, why are we here? "Plastic, a**holes!" So the plastic is here, our job is done, we can be phased out now, and I think that's really started already, don't you? I mean to be fair, the planet probably sees us as a mild threat, something to be dealt with, and I'm sure the planet will defend itself in the manner of a large organism, like a beehive or an ant colony can muster a defence, I'm sure the planet will think of something. What would you do if you were the planet trying to defend against this pesky, troublesome species? "Let's see. What might - hmmm. VIRUSES. Viruses might be good. They seem vulnerable to viruses. And, uh, viruses are tricky, always mutating and forming new strains whenever a vaccine is developed. Perhaps this first virus could be one that compromises the immune system of these creatures, perhaps a human immunodeficiency virus making them vulnerable to all sorts of other diseases and infections that might come along, and maybe it could be spread sexually, making them a little reluctant to engage in the act of reproduction." Well that's a poetic note, and it's a start, and I can dream, can't I? So don't worry about the little things. Bees, trees, whales, snails. I think we're part of a greater wisdom than we will ever understand. A higher order, call it whatcha want. Know what I call it? The big electron. The big electron. WOOOH, WOOOH, WOOOH. It doesn't punish, it doesn't reward, it doesn't judge at all. It just is. And so are we, for a little while."

- George Carlin

Now that's what I call an inconvenient truth.

- Me
 
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Global Warming is real... just not for the reasons Al Gore is saying it is.
 
The Sun is going through it 25 year cycle of peak highs and peak lows.

The majority of scientist from astrobiologist and astrophysist to cosmogonist and climatologist have admitted the Sun's cycle is the major factor in Earth average temperature rising or falling and that every planet, moon, and other bodies in the Solar System are experiencing their own version of global warming.
 
The Sun is going through it 25 year cycle of peak highs and peak lows.

The majority of scientist from astrobiologist and astrophysist to cosmogonist and climatologist have admitted the Sun's cycle is the major factor in Earth average temperature rising or falling and that every planet, moon, and other bodies in the Solar System are experiencing their own version of global warming.

Exactly, so what the f*** are we worried about?
 
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