Discussion: Illegal Immigration and Other Citizenship Issues

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ShadowBoxing, May 19, 2006.

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  1. ShadowBoxing Registered

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    Weigh in with your opinion

    http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060518052609990015&ncid=NWS00010000000001


    Not a fan myself.
     
  2. giggs11uk Registered

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    I am you have to know some English to try and become a citizen and if you have lived in America for the 8 years it takes to become a citizen and don't know English I don't think you can rightfully call yourself a citizen
     
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    I was also born in England and became an American Citizen so i am not ignorant to foreigners struggles
     
  4. Liquid Snake Registered

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    wait, so illegals are being allowed to stay?
     
  5. jaguarr Be Your Own Hero

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    If they really think that making English the OFFICIAL language of the United States will serve as a unifying thing, they're delusional. I find it ironic that Bush is pushing for this when he can barely speak English himself, actually. I love how when the approval ratings are low or there's things going on that Bush doesn't want people to pay attention to (like the things happening in Iraq) that he and his cronies drudge up non-issues like gay marriage and immigration for people to fixate on instead.

    jag
     
  6. Man-Thing Registered

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    I think english should be the official language, and should be a requirement for obtaining citizenship. If I have pass out from a stroke or something, then the potential good samaritain should be able to call an ambulance in English.
     
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    I wish you had learned english before you became a citizen.:D
     
  8. Liquid Snake Registered

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    :confused: :confused: :confused:
     
  9. Mr Sparkle Registered

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    Illegals are not being "allowed" anything.
    the idea of deporting all of them was a pipe dream for some, and a distraction for all, it was NEVER going to happen, they are going to put some triple walls on some sections of the border (rolleyes infity) in the end, things will stay the same.
     
  10. Addendum Registered

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    Aren't there more important things than what language the country decides to make official?
     
  11. SickBoy Registered

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    I agree.
     
  12. SickBoy Registered

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    Also, what exactly are the requirements to becoming a citizen? WHat are the tests? How does a foreigner become a citizen?
     
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    Yeah, I wondering that too?

    In Canada you must speak English or French if you want to become a citizen.
     
  14. SickBoy Registered

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    I think it is important to learn the language of the country in which you wish to live. And i think if immigrants actually submerse themselves in our culture, they are bound to pick stuff up. I hear it all the time: if you are in a foreign country, especially for a long period of time, you naturally pick up the language. I can see how this wouldn't always happen (i.e. mexican immigrants settling into heavily-populated mexican areas where they could get by without learning much English), but overall i don't think it would be too hard for immigrants to learn English if given enough time and with special programs to help them learn it.

    If i wanted to live in a foreign country (which i have thought about), i would WANT to learn the language. Overall it would make things a lot easier for me. But i would want to be allowed time to learn it, and not have to live up to impossible standards to become a legal citizen. What are Americas standards and requirements for becoming a legal citizen? I am very curious. I will look it up when i have more time.

    However, the difficulty of learning a new language depends in part on the individuals particular abilities, whether they already speak multiple languages, what language they are coming from, etc.

    Whether this would be truly "unifying"... i dont know.
     
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    Yes, the citizens of the States will become unified when English is the official language :rolleyes:
     
  16. Corinthian™ <insert witty title>

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    what culture:confused:
     
  17. SickBoy Registered

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    Ha. Yeah, the unification thing is ridiculous. I think people should eventually learn enough of the language to get by in the country in which they living, but i don't think we need to call English the "official language" of america and force everyone to become fluent. I support cultural diversity.

    I don't want America to turn into a super-isolated, close-minded, egotistic country. Oh, wait...:(
     
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    Bout time IMO :up:
     
  19. Corinthian™ <insert witty title>

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    in my opinion this is one step closer to a USA where even the legal immigrants are treated as second class citizens because they speak "funny".. "Oh, Jesus of Nazareth! Go learn some english, you ****ing Brit:mad:"
     
  20. SickBoy Registered

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    you know, hang out around mostly english speakers in order to pick up the language. I guess they wouldn't really have to submerse themselves in white culture to do that... but at least try to associate with english speakers enough to pick up some english. Spending all your time in a community dominated by your own nationality makes it easier to get by without learning the country's language.
     
  21. kane9321 oakland's finest

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    hell this was a no-brainer...u should learn-speak english if u live in america
     
  22. Corinthian™ <insert witty title>

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    I meant that the culture of America is about having different languages, different nationalities and different people with only one thing in common. They all are American.

    Making USA a nation of one language is actually destroying what the USA stands for. The entire world, but even better
     
  23. Corinthian™ <insert witty title>

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    Also in my opinion, they are doing this because they don't want to have spanish as the top languge to be speak
     
  24. SickBoy Registered

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    Good point. a lot of times when Americans talk to people who don't speak English fluently, they think of them as being stupid. I don't know if there is any way around this. Most immigrants wouldn't be able to learn the language completely fluently unless they are very young and coming over with their parents and grow up around english speakers.

    People need to be sympathetic to those who do not know the language 100% and try to communicate as best they can. It doesn't hurt for Americans to pick up a little spanish too.
     
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    I thought bush was giving them amnesty?
     
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