Discussion: Illegal Immigration and Other Citizenship Issues

[Admiral_N8]

So, other than your exalted leader saying immigration is such a major issue all of a sudden, what are the real, viable reasons for it to suddenly become so important? You people who seem to think it's really a major issue haven't offered any real reasons. Keep in mind, there is nothing new about illegal immigration under the sun. It's been going on for decades, particularly on the Mexican border and there's A LOT of work that gets done in this country by illegal aliens that most Americans don't want to do. So why is it so important to you and to the government all of a sudden?

And souloffire, go learn WHY immigrants were protesting here in the States.

jag

They are protesting because they want IMMIGRATION reform...yet you seem to think its a "non-issue"?? Do you REALLY still think its a non-issue?

 

[NOFX]

Relax people

 

[Corinthian™]

Umm yes I am American, it takes nothing for me to cross the border....a car or a plane ticket.

uhm... you are American. You don't know what it REALLY took me to get my Student Visa

 

[Admiral_N8]

uhm... you are American. You don't know what it REALLY took me to get my Student Visa

I never said I did.

 

[Darthphere]

Hey, we'll pay you slave wages, but you need to know english, sounds fair to me.

 

[souloffire]

So, other than your exalted leader saying immigration is such a major issue all of a sudden, what are the real, viable reasons for it to suddenly become so important? You people who seem to think it's really a major issue haven't offered any real reasons. Keep in mind, there is nothing new about illegal immigration under the sun. It's been going on for decades, particularly on the Mexican border and there's A LOT of work that gets done in this country by illegal aliens that most Americans don't want to do. So why is it so important to you and to the government all of a sudden?

And souloffire, go learn WHY immigrants were protesting here in the States.

jag

So now you're acknowledging the protests, guess it's not quite the "non-issue" you make it out to be. I know why the immigrants were protesting that's not what were're debating here. I never gave you my position on the issue. This is about you calling it a non-issue when it is clearly more than that.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Jag just admit that calling it a "non-issue" like you did is really stupid.

 

[Darthphere]

Jag just admit that calling it a "non-issue" like you did is really stupid.

A "non-issue" may be the wrong word but hes not completely wrong.

 

[SickBoy]

Did Jag even call it a "non-issue"? I thought he just said it wasn't a major issue.

It's definitely an issue, but it's not a huge issue that we have to suddenly solve or else America is doomed. We have a lot of important issues that shouldn't be put on the back-burner just because of the immigration issue.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Did Jag even call it a "non-issue"? I thought he just said it wasn't a major issue.

It's definitely an issue, but it's not a huge issue that we have to suddenly solve or else America is doomed. We have a lot of important issues that shouldn't be put on the back-burner just because of the immigration issue.

I love how when the approval ratings are low or there's things going on that Bush doesn't want people to pay attention to (like the things happening in Iraq) that he and his cronies drudge up non-issues like gay marriage and immigration for people to fixate on instead.

jag

 

[SickBoy]

America seems to go through phases. Like all of a sudden one particular issue will dominate the media, even when other issues need to be dealt with more.

I almost never watch most of the major news networks. They never seem to show all the important things that are going on in the country and the world. Just whatever's popular at the moment.

 

[Darthphere]

Admiral, even though you may believe immigration is a big problem, would you agree there are far more pressing issues to attend to, ones that can realistically be accomplished?

 

[Admiral_N8]

Admiral, even though you may believe immigration is a big problem, would you agree there are far more pressing issues to attend to, ones that can realistically be accomplished?

Of course, but to say there are other issues so we shouldnt try and stop this huge problem is just very silly.

 

[SickBoy]

Of course, but to say there are other issues so we shouldnt try and stop this huge problem is just very silly.

We shoudl try to deal with as much as we can, but the most important issues should definitely take precedence.

 

[souloffire]

Admiral, even though you may believe immigration is a big problem, would you agree there are far more pressing issues to attend to, ones that can realistically be accomplished?

I wont speak for Admiral but of course there are more pressing issues, but that doesn't mean you should ignore it.

 

[Darthphere]

Of course, but to say there are other issues so we shouldnt try and stop this huge problem is just very silly.

Nobody is saying that but I think the current war, rising gas prices, and this new NSA surveillance controversy should be getting more attention from our legislators than debating for two days whether or not English should be made the offcial language.

 

[Admiral_N8]

We shoudl try to deal with as much as we can, but the most important issues should definitely take precedence.

Of course, but we can do many things at once, and with illegal immigration and drugs crossing the border being what it is it should be dealt with since we can.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Nobody is saying that but I think the current war, rising gas prices, and this new NSA surveillance controversy should be getting more attention from our legislators than debating for two days whether or not English should be made the offcial language.

I wasnt talking about the English language, I am talking about illegal immigration.

I am very surprised at how some of you think we should just ignore it and do nothing, and that it is a "non-issue".

 

[Darthphere]

I wasnt talking about the English language, I am talking about illegal immigration.

I am very surprised at how some of you think we should just ignore it and do nothing, and that it is a "non-issue".

Ive had C-Span on for 2 days, thats what theyve been debating the last 2 days.

 

[Admiral_N8]

Ive had C-Span on for 2 days, thats what theyve been debating the last 2 days.

Yes I know that. and?

 

[Darthphere]

Yes I know that. and?

How will that stop illegal immigration?

 

[SickBoy]

Nobody is saying that but I think the current war, rising gas prices, and this new NSA surveillance controversy should be getting more attention from our legislators than debating for two days whether or not English should be made the offcial language.

exactly

 

[Admiral_N8]

How will that stop illegal immigration?

Umm it wont...they arent saying it will.

 

[Darthphere]

Umm it wont...they arent saying it will.

Then why debate something that trivial for two days, when they could actually get something done. You think a wall will do it? pass a law saying to build a wall. You think a guest worker program will do it? Then pass the damn law. Spending two days debating whether english should be mae an offical language is a disservice to the american people and especially someone like you who wnats them to do something to stop this problem.

 

[jaguarr]

N8 and souloffire, I've not insulted you once in this thread and yet the two of you have made it pretty clear that you're more interested in having a go at me on a personal level than you are in actually discussing the issues raised. Support your points rather than attacking me, please. As Darth already pointed out, it's a non-issue in comparison with so many other truly pressing issues that really do need attention from our government and by our society. However, if you two are more interested in arguing minute semantics and hurling insults then I'll leave the two of you to do so. Enjoy your non-issues.

jag