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This is a thread meant for the discussion of left-leaning media outlets. MSNBC. The New York Times. Etc.


MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat
By BRIAN STELTER

MSNBC tried a bold experiment this year by putting two politically incendiary hosts, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, in the anchor chair to lead the cable news channel's coverage of the election.

That experiment appears to be over.

After months of accusations of political bias and simmering animosity between MSNBC and its parent network NBC, the channel decided over the weekend that the NBC News correspondent and MSNBC host David Gregory would anchor news coverage of the coming debates and election night. Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews will remain as analysts during the coverage.

The change - which comes in the home stretch of the long election cycle - is a direct result of tensions associated with the channel's perceived shift to the political left.

"The most disappointing shift is to see the partisan attitude move from prime time into what's supposed to be straight news programming," said Davidson Goldin, formerly the editorial director of MSNBC and a co-founder of the reputation management firm DolceGoldin.

Executives at the channel's parent company, NBC Universal, had high hopes for MSNBC's coverage of the political conventions. Instead, the coverage frequently descended into on-air squabbles between the anchors, embarrassing some workers at NBC's news division, and quite possibly alienating viewers. Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions, its competitive position did not improve, as it remained in last place among the broadcast and cable news networks. In prime time, the channel averaged 2.2 million viewers during the Democratic convention and 1.7 million viewers during the Republican convention.

The success of the Fox News Channel in the past decade along with the growth of political blogs have convinced many media companies that provocative commentary attracts viewers and lures Web browsers more than straight news delivered dispassionately.

"In a rapidly changing media environment, this is the great philosophical debate," Phil Griffin, the president of MSNBC, said in a telephone interview Saturday. Fighting the ratings game, he added, "the bottom line is that we're experiencing incredible success."

But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted "NBC."

In interviews, 10 current and former staff members said that long-simmering tensions between MSNBC and NBC reached a boiling point during the conventions. "MSNBC is behaving like a heroin addict," one senior staff member observed. "They're living from fix to fix and swearing they'll go into rehab the next week."

The employee, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity because the network does not permit it people to speak to the media without authorization. (The New York Times and NBC News have a content-sharing arrangement exclusively for political coverage.)

Mr. Olbermann, a 49-year-old former sportscaster, has become the face of the more aggressive MSNBC, and the lightning rod for much of the criticism. His program "Countdown," now a liberal institution, was created by Mr. Olbermann in 2003 but it found its voice in his gnawing dissent regarding the Bush administration, often in the form of "special comment" segments.

As Mr. Olbermann raised his voice, his ratings rose as well, and he now reaches more than one million viewers a night, a higher television rating than any other show in the troubled 12-year history of the network. As a result, his identity largely defines MSNBC. "They have banked the entirety of the network on Keith Olbermann," one employee said.

In January, Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews, the host of "Hardball," began co-anchoring primary night coverage, drawing an audience that enjoyed the pair's "SportsCenter"-style show. While some critics argued that the assignment was akin to having the Fox News commentator Bill O'Reillyanchor on election night - something that has never happened - MSNBC insisted that Mr. Olbermann knew the difference between news and commentary.

But in the past two weeks, that line has been blurred. On the final night of the Republican convention, after MSNBC televised the party's video "tribute to the victims of 9/11," including graphic footage of the World Trade Center attacks, Mr. Olbermann abruptly took off his journalistic hat.

"I'm sorry, it's necessary to say this," he began. After saying that the video had exploited the memories of the dead, he directly apologized to viewers who were offended. Then, sounding like a network executive, he said it was "probably not appropriate to be shown."

In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Olbermann said that moment - and the perception that he is "not utterly neutral" - restarted months-old conversations about his role on political nights.

"I found it ironic and instructive that I could have easily said exactly what I did say, exactly when I did say it, if I had been wearing a different hat, and nobody would have taken any issue," he said.

"Countdown" will still be shown before the three fall debates and a second edition will be shown sometime afterwards, following the program anchored by Mr. Gregory.

The change casts new doubt on what some staff members believe is an effective programming strategy: prime-time talk of a liberal sort. A like-minded talk show will now follow "Countdown" at 9 p.m.: "The Rachel Maddow Show," hosted by the liberal radio host, begins Monday.

Mr. Griffin, MSNBC's president, denies that it has an ideology. "I think ideology means we think one way, and we don't," he said. Rather than label MSNBC's prime time as left-leaning, he says it has passion and point of view.

But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, "Today" and "NBC Nightly News" share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.

The McCain campaign has filed letters of complaint to the news division about its coverage and openly tied MSNBC to it. Tension between the network and the campaign hit an apex the day Mr. McCain announced Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. MSNBC had reported Friday morning that Ms. Palin's plane was enroute to the announcement and she was likely the pick. But McCain campaign officials warned the network off, with one official going so far as to say that all of the candidates on the short list were on their way - which MSNBC then reported.

"The fact that it was reported in real time was very embarrassing," said a senior MSNBC official. "We were told, 'No, it's not Sarah Palin and you don't know who it is.' "

Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams, the past and present anchors of "NBC Nightly News," have told friends and colleagues that they are finding it tougher and tougher to defend the cable arm of the news division, even while they anchored daytime hours of convention coverage on MSNBC and contributed commentary each evening.

Mr. Williams did not respond to a request for comment and Mr. Brokaw declined to comment. At a panel discussion in Denver, Mr. Brokaw acknowledged that Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews had "gone too far" at times, but emphasized they were "not the only voices" on MSNBC, according to The Washington Post.

Al Hunt, the executive Washington bureau chief of Bloomberg News, said that the entire news division was being singled out by Republicans because of the work of partisans like Mr. Olbermann. "To go and tar the whole news network and Brokaw and Mitchell is grossly unfair," he said, referring to the NBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell.

Some tensions have spilled out on-screen. On the first night in Denver, as the fellow MSNBC host Joe Scarborough talked about the resurgence of the McCain campaign, Mr. Olbermann dismissed it by saying: "Jesus, Joe, why don't you get a shovel?"

The following night, Mr. Olbermann and his co-anchor for convention coverage, Mr. Matthews, had their own squabble after Mr. Olbermann observed that Mr. Matthews had talked too long.

Some staff members said the tension led to the network's decision to keep Mr. Olbermann in New York for the Republican convention, after he ran the desk in Denver during the Democratic convention. MSNBC said that he stayed in New York to anchor coverage of Hurricane Gustav. But some workers say there were other reasons - namely, that Mr. Olbermann was concerned about his safety in St. Paul, given the loud crowds at MSNBC's set in Denver.

NBC Universal executives are also known to be concerned about the perception that MSNBC's partisan tilt in prime time is bleeding into the rest of the programming day. On a recent Friday afternoon, a graphic labeled "Breaking News" asked: "How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?" Mr. Griffin called the graphic "an embarrassment."

According to three staff members, Jeff Zucker, chief executive of NBC Universal, and Steve Capus, president of NBC News, considered flying to the Republican convention in Minnesota last week to address the lingering tensions.

Up to now, the company's public support for MSNBC's strategy has been enthusiastic. At an anniversary party for Mr. Olbermann in April, Mr. Zucker called "Countdown" "one of the signature brands of the entire company."

Just last year, Mr. Olbermann signed a four-year, $4-million-a-year contract with MSNBC. NBC is close to supplementing that contract with Mr. Olbermann, extending his deal through 2013 - and ensuring that he will be on MSNBC through the next election.

What the hell dude!
 
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MSNBC needs a major overhaul, and I don't see Olberman adding anything useful to their election coverage. My politics lean to the left, but I can't stand listening to him.

Think they can risk either of them going after Palin again? It only opens up the opportunity to play that sympathy card they played last week. Now it's out of the picture.
 
On one hand I applaud this move on account that Olbermann and Matthews should not be anchors. Anchors should be more talented in keeping their bias within, something that Olbermann utterly failed at. While getting rid of them from the anchor seats, I'm glad that they still get to keep their shows we need shows like Countdown with Keith Olbermann to counter shows like the O'Reilly Factor.

On the other hand I do admit that I'm a little upset. More people complain about Fox News being incredibly biased for the GOP, yet they do nothing but when people complain about MSNBC being incredibly biased for the Democrats, they buckle under pressure.
 
If this means more balanced coverage then I have no problem with this. I miss the days of real journalism where actual journalists stuck to the actual facts rather than having a bunch of talking head op-ed columnists on the air pushing their agendas. Olbermann, while I agree with much of what he has to say, is a primary offender of that basic rule of journalism from the MSNBC side. Now let's see Fox follow suit (yeah, right).

jag
 
Sad, isn't it? If anything, this is going to energize Fox into giving a big I-told-you-so over their coverage over the Palin stuff last week. :whatever:
 
I am upset that Matthews has been removed from covering the election. He has actually shown himself as a capable "anchor," even if he often provides his own commentary. Keith Olbermann, on the other hand, is a pompous ass who deserves to be kicked off of MSNBC altogether. Same thing with Rachel Maddow.

I hope this means David Gregory, Chuck Todd and Tom Brokaw will take over the election coverage. All three men have proven themselves as capable, unbiased contributors on MSNBC (even though you can sometimes tell that Todd has a bias, he rarely shows it).
 
Sad, isn't it? If anything, this is going to energize Fox into giving a big I-told-you-so over their coverage over the Palin stuff last week. :whatever:

After watching Fox News' coverage of this election, I half wonder if they should be legally forced to change their name to Fox Commentary.

jag
 
A good move on their part, leave the coverage to professionals and keep them as side commentators. the way Matthews was screaming after Obama's convention speech was ridiculous.
 
Fox News should just be canceled altogether.
 
So now I fully expect Fox to do the same thing right? Of course not. This is ridiculous.
 
I am upset that Matthews has been removed from covering the election. He has actually shown himself as a capable "anchor," even if he often provides his own commentary. Keith Olbermann, on the other hand, is a pompous ass who deserves to be kicked off of MSNBC altogether. Same thing with Rachel Maddow.
Why should Olbermann be kicked off MSNBC? The guys a liberal Bill O'Reilly and his pompous ass counterpart has his own show.
 
I remember a Jon Stewart joke a few years back when they showed coverage of a truck chase that consumed all of the news networks for an afternoon. He said "The Fox News Channel had a different take on events," and showed Bill Clinton super-imposed over the driver.

Logically thinking, this keeps Olberman from shooting his mouth off and giving an even better opportunity for the Republicans to blame them for everything again.
 
Why should Olbermann be kicked off MSNBC? The guys a liberal Bill O'Reilly and his pompous ass counterpart has his own show.

I cannot stand Keith Olbermann, because he has the audacity to call himself a "reporter" when he is actually a pundit. If he could acknowledge the fact that he is a pundit, or a personality, I would have no problem with MSNBC continuing his show. However, his pomposity has been taken up to the same level of Bill O'Reilly, and I am personally against blurring the line, distinctly, between journalism and 'infotainment.'
 
A good move on their part, leave the coverage to professionals and keep them as side commentators. the way Matthews was screaming after Obama's convention speech was ridiculous.

If Fox did that, they'd have an empty studio. :hehe:

jag
 
I cannot stand Keith Olbermann, because he has the audacity to call himself a "reporter" when he is actually a pundit.
And Bill O'Reilly calls himself an independent.

If he could acknowledge the fact that he is a pundit, or a personality, I would have no problem with MSNBC continuing his show. However, his pomposity has been taken up to the same level of Bill O'Reilly, and I am personally against blurring the line, distinctly, between journalism and 'infotainment.'
My attitude towards MSNBC is the same as Fox News, if you don't like it, just ignore it. MSNBC can do whatever the hell it wants, it's their damn studio. I just simply won't care.
 
And Bill O'Reilly calls himself an independent.

O'Reilly IS an independent though. I am not going to try to defend his argument styles or whatever, but to imply he is not independent would be wrong. Is he Conservative? Of course - he proudly wears that badge every time he talks about "culture wars", but he is certainly not an Elephant. He has been a vocal critic of the President's handling of Iraq pre-surge, he has criticized the administration on Afghanistan, Immigration, Energy, etc.

Does he bash liberal balls more than conservatives? Of course, but Party has nothing to do with it.
 
So now I fully expect Fox to do the same thing right? Of course not. This is ridiculous.

Since you can't compare Brit Hulme, a respected and very good newsperson, to Olberman - I don't see how Fox COULD do the same thing.

Fox's election staff isn't made up of obvious commentators.
 
Oh MSNBC why do you hurt them so, haven't you figured out that mosly the left watches your programming. You were once the Wolf to their Fox, and now you betray them. Ohh well geuss it's true after all, liberals have no backbone. :hehe:
 
If this means more balanced coverage then I have no problem with this. I miss the days of real journalism where actual journalists stuck to the actual facts rather than having a bunch of talking head op-ed columnists on the air pushing their agendas. Olbermann, while I agree with much of what he has to say, is a primary offender of that basic rule of journalism from the MSNBC side. Now let's see Fox follow suit (yeah, right).

jag

Yeah...I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
 
This is the best news I've heard all year. Thank god!
 
Although MSNBC nearly doubled its total audience compared with the 2004 conventions

Once again the conservative ownership which controls our media act to stamp out liberal programming, despite the demonstrated popularity of such programming. No shock at all.

O'Reilly IS an independent though. I am not going to try to defend his argument styles or whatever, but to imply he is not independent would be wrong. Is he Conservative? Of course - he proudly wears that badge every time he talks about "culture wars", but he is certainly not an Elephant. He has been a vocal critic of the President's handling of Iraq pre-surge, he has criticized the administration on Afghanistan, Immigration, Energy, etc.

Does he bash liberal balls more than conservatives? Of course, but Party has nothing to do with it.

You're right, O'Reilly is clearly this half of the hair you just split, as opposed to that other half of the aforementioned hair, which has been split, by yourself.

EDIT: That's what I call vocal criticism!
 
Olbermann is a liberal bully and Matthews is just a mouthpiece
 
I never bothered to watch either convention, and MSNBC can put whomever they want to cover debates and have whomever to analyze them.

I'll just grab the CliffsNotes version off the web
 
Once again the conservative ownership which controls our media act to stamp out liberal programming, despite the demonstrated popularity of such programming. No shock at all.

MSNBC has been coming in dead last for some time now....they even dragged Donahue out of retirement to try and grab viewers....considering that 80 - 90 percent of the media is liberal it makes a conservative viewpoint stick out that much more....IMO
 
After watching Fox News' coverage of this election, I half wonder if they should be legally forced to change their name to Fox Commentary.

jag

Really? Who on Fox are you referring to? Oh, that's right, the commentators...
 

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